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[QUOTE=Mongoose1986;7291928]I saw her on Saturday. She was staying at the DoubleTree. Her name is May. Quoted me hhr /200 or 1 hr /300 w / BBFS for 100. I decided to do hhr /200. When I got to the room, she greeted me with a hug and a kiss.

She needed help posting on another Site, so I helped her. Rewarded me with a BBBJ that lasted for about 10 min. That phone kept ringing the whole hhr I was there LOL. But she ignored the calls. Paid fully attention to me. Now it was my turn to do Daty and she enjoyed those 10 min. Now it was time for Cfs which I pounded away for the last 10 min. Told me to come back and see her before she leaves. I found her quite sexy and attractive. Soft and feminine. P.S.: Unfortunately, her period begins soon.[/QUOTE]Her TER I'd is 404540. Reviews are pretty mid, averaging 6. 2/6.

Apparently it helps to have tech skills, tho. Haha.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;7293094]Zara is from India.[/QUOTE]Good info. Does Miss Zara have a link, or does she just work the street?

[QUOTE=LuigiMongerone;7293125]Her TER I'd is 404540. Reviews are pretty mid, averaging 6. 2/6.

Apparently it helps to have tech skills, tho. Haha.[/QUOTE]She was here in CT. She was fun but the shine wears off quick. She does other stuff than what's on the menu. DM me if you want to know more.

She spent just one week here in Boston. Stayed at the Doubletree near Tufts Medical Hospital. I believe she's originally from Connecticut, as she also has another number with 860 area code. I asked her where she's going next, but she ignored my question. Doesn't matter to me. I go to CT to visit family at least twice a year, but I won't go seeking her. She gave me a very good Hhr Session but it's not like she became my favorite. She's just like the so many many Escorts out there, nothing special to drool over. Women who captivate me are the ones that mentally & intellectually stimulate me.

[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;7293392]Good info. Does Miss Zara have a link, or does she just work the street?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bostonintescorts.nl/portfolio/zara/[/URL]

I assume that's who he was talkin aboot.

I recently met Stacey Love ([URL]https://www.eros.com/massachusetts/boston/files/3394387.htm?cat=26[/URL]) I had seen her ads for a long time and finally made an appointment. It was okay. I'd recommend you try her if you can handle the price and deposit.

She wants 1 k for an hour with a 30% deposit for new customers. 1 k is a high price but par for course for Stacy's body type and age. The price and deposit made me pause to consider whether I love big boobs enough to agree to those terms. Well, I do, so I did.

Her photos are accurate. In fact, her proportions look more dramatic in person. Boobs are firm and heavy. Her service was unrushed and was willing to please, althought the mood was awkward and we never fully broke the ice.

The bottom line is she is a nice girl with a great body here in our city. Boobs like hers are very hard to find and you could have a good time with her. She has many very good reviews on this site and elsewhere. So give her a try if you have the budget and are into XL boobs.

Is paying for a membership in P411 worth the price? I know it's handy for screening purposes, but are there girls on there that can't be found elsewhere?

[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;7294052]I recently met Stacey Love ([URL]https://www.eros.com/massachusetts/boston/files/3394387.htm?cat=26[/URL]) I had seen her ads for a long time and finally made an appointment. It was okay. I'd recommend you try her if you can handle the price and deposit.

She wants 1 k for an hour with a 30% deposit for new customers. 1 k is a high price but par for course for Stacy's body type and age. The price and deposit made me pause to consider whether I love big boobs enough to agree to those terms. Well, I do, so I did.

Her photos are accurate. In fact, her proportions look more dramatic in person. Boobs are firm and heavy. Her service was unrushed and was willing to please, althought the mood was awkward and we never fully broke the ice.

The bottom line is she is a nice girl with a great body here in our city. Boobs like hers are very hard to find and you could have a good time with her. She has many very good reviews on this site and elsewhere. So give her a try if you have the budget and are into XL boobs.[/QUOTE]I met her total sweetheart and super friendly, paid 3 for a FBSM with L1 release. Got a deal because things were slow this weekend and it was a Saturday night in February. She had a table set up in her hotel room in the Back Bay Boston. Great looking girl, gorgeous face, perfect smile but I found her body to look a little deformed. I mean no disrespect but ass implants when overdone are no different than breast implants or too much Botox and huge collegian lips, just my 02. So, upon arrival she offered me a shower, and it was a great mood setter with candles, men's toiletries and a fresh towel all laid out. I came back in the room of the sweet and got on the table and she had me lay face down with my cock in the hole, this felt great with my junk starting to gorge with blood rather different I might ad. I was there for the FBSM with L1 finish as I mentioned but halfway into the massage with nothing said she got under the table topless and blew me to completion. Okay this was really nice and then she massaged me for another 20 minutes in a really sensual way while face up letting me nutt again with the L1 finish and DFK. Great lady, awesome time but for me at a thousand balloons IDK 5 maybe.

Hey guys, anyone have any recent experience with Danni from the North Shore? Also, would be interested to know which specific town she hosts in. Any info is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Fractilian;7226080]Cassie. I've seen this ad for a few weeks now, anyone know anything about her?

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_e/-thick-brunette----cash-only-n/435990369211[/URL]

And I don't know this girls name and I know theres been some guesses about her a few pages ago, but has anyone actually met her?

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_w/real-girl-alert-no-catfish-sex/655721556735[/URL][/QUOTE]The last one sounds like GP syndrome no bare and texts like not the worth attitude. Unless someone heard anythin LSW.

[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;7294052]I recently met Stacey Love ([URL]https://www.eros.com/massachusetts/boston/files/3394387.htm?cat=26[/URL]) I had seen her ads for a long time and finally made an appointment. It was okay. I'd recommend you try her if you can handle the price and deposit.

She wants 1 k for an hour with a 30% deposit for new customers. 1 k is a high price but par for course for Stacy's body type and age. The price and deposit made me pause to consider whether I love big boobs enough to agree to those terms. Well, I do, so I did.

Her photos are accurate. In fact, her proportions look more dramatic in person. Boobs are firm and heavy. Her service was unrushed and was willing to please, althought the mood was awkward and we never fully broke the ice.

The bottom line is she is a nice girl with a great body here in our city. Boobs like hers are very hard to find and you could have a good time with her. She has many very good reviews on this site and elsewhere. So give her a try if you have the budget and are into XL boobs.[/QUOTE]She lists a much lower rate on Tryst so I wonder if she changes it based on availability or where you find her.

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7294597]I met her total sweetheart and super friendly, paid 3 for a FBSM with L1 release. Got a deal because things were slow this weekend and it was a Saturday night in February. She had a table set up in her hotel room in the Back Bay Boston. Great looking girl, gorgeous face, perfect smile but I found her body to look a little deformed. I mean no disrespect but ass implants when overdone are no different than breast implants or too much Botox and huge collegian lips, just my 02. So, upon arrival she offered me a shower, and it was a great mood setter with candles, men's toiletries and a fresh towel all laid out. I came back in the room of the sweet and got on the table and she had me lay face down with my cock in the hole, this felt great with my junk starting to gorge with blood rather different I might ad. I was there for the FBSM with L1 finish as I mentioned but halfway into the massage with nothing said she got under the table topless and blew me to completion. Okay this was really nice and then she massaged me for another 20 minutes in a really sensual way while face up letting me nutt again with the L1 finish and DFK. Great lady, awesome time but for me at a thousand balloons IDK 5 maybe.[/QUOTE]You paid $300 for massage with happy ending?

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7294597]I met her total sweetheart and super friendly, paid 3 for a FBSM with L1 release. Got a deal because things were slow this weekend and it was a Saturday night in February. She had a table set up in her hotel room in the Back Bay Boston. Great looking girl, gorgeous face, perfect smile but I found her body to look a little deformed. I mean no disrespect but ass implants when overdone are no different than breast implants or too much Botox and huge collegian lips, just my 02. So, upon arrival she offered me a shower, and it was a great mood setter with candles, men's toiletries and a fresh towel all laid out. I came back in the room of the sweet and got on the table and she had me lay face down with my cock in the hole, this felt great with my junk starting to gorge with blood rather different I might ad. I was there for the FBSM with L1 finish as I mentioned but halfway into the massage with nothing said she got under the table topless and blew me to completion. Okay this was really nice and then she massaged me for another 20 minutes in a really sensual way while face up letting me nutt again with the L1 finish and DFK. Great lady, awesome time but for me at a thousand balloons IDK 5 maybe.[/QUOTE]Great review. Thank you. I mean, that's a huge discount from a thousand clams to 300. It just means that her normal rate is between 300 - 500. I get it that these ladies go big and maybe hit it big. But when they don't, then the real amount comes out. Too rich for me that's for sure.

[QUOTE=WolfgangPet13;7292947]Is there any east Indian not native American providers in boston area?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/jasmine-middle-eastern-beauty-escort-providence-650850[/URL]

She might be up your alley, great time with her and not a clock watcher, she is definitely into making sure you have a good time.

But she is in Providence, great ass and tits and wonderful bbbjcimws.

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;7295020]Great review. Thank you. I mean, that's a huge discount from a thousand clams to 300. It just means that her normal rate is between 300 - 500. I get it that these ladies go big and maybe hit it big. But when they don't, then the real amount comes out. Too rich for me that's for sure.[/QUOTE]Maybe one or both of the original posters can clarify on the services / rates. Her tryst ad [URL]https://tryst.link/massage/vip-stacey-love-83[/URL] shows rates starting at 300 for 30 min up to 1100 for 2 hr nuru & milking table. If I could get a full hr milking table session for 300, I'd run there as it's on my bucket list. Eros ad also is also posted under escorts so wondering if the 1 k was for FS.

[QUOTE=SecretSquirell;7295146]Maybe one or both of the original posters can clarify on the services / rates. Her tryst ad [URL]https://tryst.link/massage/vip-stacey-love-83[/URL] shows rates starting at 300 for 30 min up to 1100 for 2 hr nuru & milking table. If I could get a full hr milking table session for 300, I'd run there as it's on my bucket list. Eros ad also is also posted under escorts so wondering if the 1 k was for FS.[/QUOTE]I still don't know how you guys have the balls to drop deposits, especially if she wants 30 - 50 percent. Granted, there are quite a few out there that will honor the meeting. But we've already heard of some getting scammed out of their money. I would also love to knock out the milking table off my list. But not for that price.

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7294597] she got under the table topless and blew me to completion. Okay this was really nice and then she massaged me for another 20 minutes in a really sensual way while face up letting me nutt again with the L1 finish and DFK. Great lady, awesome time but for me at a thousand balloons IDK 5 maybe.[/QUOTE]Did she make you do a deposit? If I could get 2 pops out of it BBBJ and a L1 with that body and if she didn't make me do a deposit I might think about trying to get to back bay.

Going to be in the west Roxbury / Roslindale area for work this next 2 weeks anyone got good recommendations not really picky just want to see someone after a long day of work.

[QUOTE=SecretSquirell;7295146]Maybe one or both of the original posters can clarify on the services / rates. Her tryst ad [URL]https://tryst.link/massage/vip-stacey-love-83[/URL] shows rates starting at 300 for 30 min up to 1100 for 2 hr nuru & milking table. If I could get a full hr milking table session for 300, I'd run there as it's on my bucket list. Eros ad also is also posted under escorts so wondering if the 1 k was for FS.[/QUOTE]Okay everything in this world is negotiable so, like I said make a proposition to her, ask the worst she will say is no. Another thing I have done is tell them I will send whatever my proposed donation is in full in advance, this works every time. But please beware who you are doing this with; Stacy is one you can trust due to her impeccable reputation so don't just do it for anyone. Caution is the word I'm thinking of here. Good luck.

Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL]

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]I reached out to her, saying hi and simply asking if she's available today. She literally responded by sending me her Cash App and saying, "Send me 150. " I told her why I would do that. I mean, she didn't even say, "I am doing incalls," LOL. She responded by saying, "Take care. " For all I know, it could be her day off, and I just sent her 150 for no reason. Nope!

Has anyone seen this one?

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]I see her rates are pretty damn high now ($500) - she has IG but I don't know if she accepts new followers. Also has an OF with a lot posts but I can't see previews. Anyone taken that OF plunge and if so is it worth it?

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]Sarah is pretty active on Twitter and looks pretty good.

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;7295163]I still don't know how you guys have the balls to drop deposits, especially if she wants 30 - 50 percent. Granted, there are quite a few out there that will honor the meeting. But we've already heard of some getting scammed out of their money. I would also love to knock out the milking table off my list. But not for that price.[/QUOTE]VIP Stacey is one of the only providers I ever did a deposit with and she is worth every penny. Only seen her once back in 2023. I definitely would repeat and tried one time, but our schedules didn't align at the time. Stacey works out of multiple states, even though her home base is in Boston.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/massachusetts/boston/187594397[/URL]#.

Is this the famous Isabella from a couple months ago??

Are there any good lynn based providers?

I know some profiles on the crawler say lynn but they are sometimes in a neighboring town.

Now that's my kinda girl.

A lot can happen in 3 yrs though. She's on my list now.

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]

She's practically married. I'm surprised her profile is still up. Does the number even work? There's a link to her PH but all the videos have been deleted.

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BullMph180;7296274[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/massachusetts/boston/187594397[/URL]#.

Is this the famous Isabella from a couple months ago??[/QUOTE]She is part of the Brazilian group. She is not around at the moment. Amy, Thalia and Jenny are here for now.

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;7296464]She's practically married. I'm surprised her profile is still up. Does the number even work? There's a link to her PH but all the videos have been deleted.[/QUOTE]She posts a lot on OF. It's usually repetitive stuff but also some harder core stuff mixed in. If you're thinking of seeing her or just curious it's probably worth paying for one month and then stopping for a while.

I've seen a lot of the stuff on PH before it was removed. I've been with her and she can be fun. Is the stuff on OF m-f action or solo?

[QUOTE=MarkPowers;7296658]She posts a lot on OF. It's usually repetitive stuff but also some harder core stuff mixed in. If you're thinking of seeing her or just curious it's probably worth paying for one month and then stopping for a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]My only experience with her was in 2020 just before covid fucked everything up. It was 200 then, ostensibly for an hour, but she shorted time and rushed and it was only about 30 minutes. In terms of menu items, for what I look for, it was substandard. BBBJ was OK, and sex was OK and was raw by default while she got herself off with a vibrator during the sex. But kissing was totally substandard not at all girlfriend-like, no real tongue, and for these Lips, that's essential. She was a hot looking little MILF, though. Tits were smaller than my preference, though, I think she was thinner than those current ad pics when I saw her. But for me, PSE but not GFE. In the tryst ad now I see she wants 500 for an hour. Take a zero off the end of that, and I might repeat for another quickie PSE session. I saw a lot of good reviews, though, with better service, so may be strong YMMV. But 500 for her even if you get the full hour, in my opinion is insane.

Any recommendations for full service North Shore?

Preferably in a studio \ office park type setup?

Tons of listings on escort alligator but all seem to be in migrant hotels.

I've been to AMPs a million times but this is. A. first for escorts so looking for a. Safe sefup.

[QUOTE=SlimDiddly;7295937]Has anyone hooked up with her lately? I have known her for easily 12 years, have not seen and or talked to her in like 3 and If you clicked, she was a good time. I used to creampie her in my car for ridiculous low money like $1. Don't get me wrong it was fun, but it was just that she would fly out the side door of her place and jump in my car, sometimes no coat or shoes on and for an hour suck and fuck me for the next 60 minutes. One night in a snowstorm I convinced her to let me fuck her ass, she agreed letting me nut deep in there. I would see her again for 3 if it was in a nice clean hotel room because she used love getting creampied, she would lay there so passive in mish or lazy doggy and just let you fill her up taking it with a smile. So, I'm Just curious how she looks. She had a friend, can't remember her name she did doubles with but that never happened with me, she was a cum lover to.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sah-tempest-burke7[/URL][/QUOTE]Can't believe she is back at it, this girl is a hot mess. Good luck to those who want to see her, just way too much drama for me. I remember the videos of her getting fucked, and she seemed to be either on something or just bat shit crazy. Too much drama but to each there own. Just search her name and enjoy the soap opera.

Just wanted to pop in and say wow the GPS in Boston is fucking crazy. A dollar twenty back home gets you a hr with most lady's and if your brave you could mess around with the seventy-five monkey bite having savages. Not to mention a BBBJ is 40 pesos. These lady's up here must be in the street walker union or something plain ole highway robbery. LOL ok rants over with be safe out there fellow mongers!

I am thinking of seeing Danny gold later this month in Chicago. Has anyone had any experience with her? What is she like?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/danny-gold[/URL]

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Todas;7297407]Can't believe she is back at it, this girl is a hot mess. Good luck to those who want to see her, just way too much drama for me. I remember the videos of her getting fucked, and she seemed to be either on something or just bat shit crazy. Too much drama but to each there own. Just search her name and enjoy the soap opera.[/QUOTE]From her profile: " DEPOSITS ARE A MUST just to message because why not. " LOL.

I'm sorry. Is anyone really out there sending $150 to text an older, past-her-prime woman? Then everyone turns around and wonders why these women are delusional, given their out-of-this-world donation rates. I don't mind paying for a hot thing, but this is not it.

At this point, we can't even be upset with these ladies. If there are fools out there sending below average, beat up cum buckets cash just to chat then more power to these women playing us.

There are 78 reviews of her on Erotic Review. I read like first 10 they were all positive.

[QUOTE=Boss01;7299258]I am thinking of seeing Danny gold later this month in Chicago. Has anyone had any experience with her? What is she like?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/danny-gold[/URL]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SecretSquirell;7295146]Maybe one or both of the original posters can clarify on the services / rates. Her tryst ad [URL]https://tryst.link/massage/vip-stacey-love-83[/URL] shows rates starting at 300 for 30 min up to 1100 for 2 hr nuru & milking table. If I could get a full hr milking table session for 300, I'd run there as it's on my bucket list. Eros ad also is also posted under escorts so wondering if the 1 k was for FS.[/QUOTE]I misread the site when I commented before. It's compared how she lists her rates but looks like an hour GFE is $1 k but the massages without FS are lower. Still confusing with the various qualifiers.