"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2928226]
The gentleman had presented himself as a man of means. Yet, he asked the lady to pick him up from a sketchy strip mall. While in the car, he asks if she'll drive to a park (it was pouring rain) for "privacy". She refuses, and they hit Fridays. It went down hill from there. All I could think of was. I appreciate the prep-work mate![/QUOTE]Unfortunately there is a large segment of guys who see SBs as just a renamed version of upscale escorting, it sounds like that's what her date was expecting. To see what I mean just view some of the SB threads in some other cities. They post "reviews" and "reports", trade info on girls, swap them around like streetwalkers. I actually forget that whole side of things even exists, because if I get even a hint that a girl is a UTR, escort, or even a serial SB then I break contact with them.

A lot has been written here in the past about the definition of a "true" SB versus UTR / escort so I'm not sure I see value in going there again, especially with the increasing proliferation of bowl-related discussions in other cities on this forum (a situation that makes it increasingly more pointless to intelligently discuss the distinction).

The important thing to remember (and what I remind myself of constantly) is that my perspective is sometimes limited by my own bias. I barely give suspect-UTRs a second glance, therefore I tend to forget they exist on the site, but no doubt they are there. I can look through my e-mail at the ones that have viewed my profile or favorited me, and across various cities I probably get dozens of likely UTR hits per week, but mentally they don't exist to me.

And likewise, someone could cruise an SD site, and because of any number of factors (their behavior, their profile wording, etc.) the girls I would consider true SBs may not be responding to them. Therefore they are only able to set up dates with the UTRs, and come to the conclusion that this is what all SBs are.

Are any of you having major dry spells right now? I sure am. I've had 4 meet and greets set up and they all went radio silent the day off. It's been terrible. I'm in blue ball city.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2928669]Are any of you having major dry spells right now? I sure am. I've had 4 meet and greets set up and they all went radio silent the day off. It's been terrible. I'm in blue ball city.[/QUOTE]Haven't seen M&G cancellations, but because a decent percent of my POTs are college students, things can get really hit or miss after finals around mid-May. It just shakes up their schedule such that their availability changes (they temporarily move back to their home city where their parents are or whatever). Sometimes they contact me about meeting in a different city, or ask if I can reimburse them for travel to me, or sometimes they just go missing and suddenly you get an e-mail weeks or months later. If you operate primarily in one metro area you might print out the academic calendar for relevant schools from their website -- help sometimes with predicting these changes. Even if your target demographic isn't college girls then its still possible that the shift in supply and demand that occurs when school is out could still affect your efforts if more guys are competing for attention due to school outages.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2928693]Haven't seen M&G cancellations, but because a decent percent of my POTs are college students, things can get really hit or miss after finals around mid-May. It just shakes up their schedule such that their availability changes (they temporarily move back to their home city where their parents are or whatever). Sometimes they contact me about meeting in a different city, or ask if I can reimburse them for travel to me, or sometimes they just go missing and suddenly you get an e-mail weeks or months later. If you operate primarily in one metro area you might print out the academic calendar for relevant schools from their website -- help sometimes with predicting these changes. Even if your target demographic isn't college girls then its still possible that the shift in supply and demand that occurs when school is out could still affect your efforts if more guys are competing for attention due to school outages.[/QUOTE]Another thing to keep in mind is that school is just about over and many of those delicious babies will be heading back home.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2928669]Are any of you having major dry spells right now? I sure am. I've had 4 meet and greets set up and they all went radio silent the day off. It's been terrible. I'm in blue ball city.[/QUOTE]The ebb and flow of the bowl.

I've been where you are, but right now I'm on good ride. Stay the course and you'll be back on top (no pun intended) soon.

I head back to Asia for a month next week. My pediatrician baby is with me for 10 days (no way I'm showing pics of her as she may be my second wife). I'm free for 10 days, and the attached pic (long time friend) is with me the last 10.

Total cost. ~$100 for airport fees and taxes. I used miles to get my ped baby a first class round trip ticket. I think she's more excited about flying first class Internationally than she is to see me! My friend in the pic is based in Asia so she's local.

Any of you Richmond daddy's had any contact with her. I've had a couple of meetings with her and have some concerns. Just want to exchange some intel. Also. If you have been seeing Veronica and are interested in some info, hit me up. I've seen her several times and had an experience you might want to hear about.

Stay Safe. Stark.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2929931]Any of you Richmond daddy's had any contact with her. I've had a couple of meetings with her and have some concerns. Just want to exchange some intel. Also. If you have been seeing Veronica and are interested in some info, hit me up. I've seen her several times and had an experience you might want to hear about.

Stay Safe. Stark.[/QUOTE]You can PM me.

Stark.

Newly single and dating about in my local area. While on a M&G, I run into an old SB that I spent a few months dating. It was a good match, but I lost interest a few cancellations and being flakey. There wasn't a verbal argument or anything. I cut her loose by ignoring her and I eventually blocked her text and emails. She showed low interest, so I kept it moving. I didn't see it as something that would bite me in the ass.

Long story short, I run into her while I'm the date with the new girl. We make eye contact. There was nothing obvious to my date either. I'm cool under pressure and I keep the date convo going over drinks. After the dinner date I go to my car and my driver side door has a deep scratch about 12" long. WTF? Very strange situation. Girl shows little interest, I move on. It's been several months since we last chatted and out of spite she pulls this crap.

Surprisingly, I'm not upset. I have noticed that I do see SBs on my side of town occasionally. That shows me how many college age girls are on SA. Maybe it's better to have a SB leave you first 😉.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2930262]Newly single and dating about in my local area. While on a M&G, I run into an old SB that I spent a few months dating. It was a good match, but I lost interest a few cancellations and being flakey. There wasn't a verbal argument or anything. I cut her loose by ignoring her and I eventually blocked her text and emails. She showed low interest, so I kept it moving. I didn't see it as something that would bite me in the ass.

Long story short, I run into her while I'm the date with the new girl. We make eye contact. There was nothing obvious to my date either. I'm cool under pressure and I keep the date convo going over drinks. After the dinner date I go to my car and my driver side door has a deep scratch about 12" long. WTF? Very strange situation. Girl shows little interest, I move on. It's been several months since we last chatted and out of spite she pulls this crap.

Surprisingly, I'm not upset. I have noticed that I do see SBs on my side of town occasionally. That shows me how many college age girls are on SA. Maybe it's better to have a SB leave you first 😉.[/QUOTE]Seems like even large metro areas are a small world. This is a good example of why I don't date close to home. Running into old flames is something I've rarely been able to avoid. Luckily they aren't always vengeful, so when single it wasn't that big of a deal, but now that I have something I don't want to lose, well. . .

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2930262]Newly single and dating about in my local area. While on a M&G, I run into an old SB that I spent a few months dating. It was a good match, but I lost interest a few cancellations and being flakey. There wasn't a verbal argument or anything. I cut her loose by ignoring her and I eventually blocked her text and emails. She showed low interest, so I kept it moving. I didn't see it as something that would bite me in the ass.

Long story short, I run into her while I'm the date with the new girl. We make eye contact. There was nothing obvious to my date either. I'm cool under pressure and I keep the date convo going over drinks. After the dinner date I go to my car and my driver side door has a deep scratch about 12" long. WTF? Very strange situation. Girl shows little interest, I move on. It's been several months since we last chatted and out of spite she pulls this crap.

Surprisingly, I'm not upset. I have noticed that I do see SBs on my side of town occasionally. That shows me how many college age girls are on SA. Maybe it's better to have a SB leave you first 😉.[/QUOTE]I feel for you brother. What do you think it will cost to get the paint fixed, a couple hundred?

I was seeing a SB earlier this year that I had lost interest in after a couple dates because it was like I was paying her to get off. I tolerated it for a couple sessions, thinking maybe she would warm up to me, but that never happened. She wouldn't French kiss, wouldn't suck my dick on her own initiative (only after I told her to), and would be done after 60-75 minutes of sex (I can go for hours with 3-4 pops), asking me if I could cum after she got her multiple O's in. I addressed these issues to her, but her performance was unchanged. I was paying a competitive allowance equal to what she was making post taxes weekly at her crappy job. I ignored her for a month, during which time she texted me almost every day for a month with nude pics and videos, begging to meet again. She clearly did not get the message. After a month I told her again there was little mutual benefit in this relationship and blocked her number. I even had to shut down my sugar account; she became like a stalker. Luckily, she never saw my vehicle or got any of personal information. Thank goodness I was using hotels for the FC.

This is why, as painful as it is in the short term, I think it is important to be clear when you are ending it. Karmically, just flaking out and ignoring her can come back to bite you.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2930424]
She wouldn't French kiss, wouldn't suck my dick on her own initiative (only after I told her to), and would be done after 60-75 minutes of sex (I can go for hours with 3-4 pops), asking me if I could cum after she got her multiple O's in. I addressed these issues to her, but her performance was unchanged. I was paying a competitive allowance equal to what she was making post taxes weekly at her crappy job. I ignored her for a month, during which time she texted me almost every day for a month with nude pics and videos, begging to meet again. She clearly did not get the message. After a month I told her again there was little mutual benefit in this relationship and blocked her number. I even had to shut down my sugar account; she became like a stalker. Luckily, she never saw my vehicle or got any of personal information. Thank goodness I was using hotels for the FC.[/QUOTE]No matter what you do, nobody likes rejection. She might not have been into you, but she was competitive enough to resent you making the 1st move -and losing the allowance. Yes. We are paying for a service, but we need to make it clear up front what we are expecting for our allowance. Most girls do not love raw fucking like we guys do. There are exceptions. But they are more interested in feelings and connections -heart to heart. That is why many SBs just lie there and tolerate it. I doubt if even a small % of girls would be up for 4 hours of porn activity and multiple pops. They are not feeling the love-in fact, it makes them feel like a piece of meat -a living, breathing fuck doll if you will. Porn actresses are paid $ 1000 + / session to lie there and take it in 3 holes and act like they like it. But in the end -having your ass pounded for several hours by a guy who you care nothing for is at best a job. Look for the Unicorn who is into you and sex, but enjoy the girl who will at least lie there and let you pound away. It's an attitude change, that's all.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2930262] I cut her loose by ignoring her and I eventually blocked her text and emails. She showed low interest, so I kept it moving. I didn't see it as something that would bite me in the ass.
.[/QUOTE]Girls are vengeful little creatures. I make them leave me if I am done. I will cut their allowance due to business slump, SO discovery, whatever. Tell her you really love being with her and you hope she will be understanding. Keep cutting until she leaves -and she will. If she is willing to take you on for free, then you got a deal. Remember the term "going Postal?" These fired employees went back and shot people because they were so distraught at the perceived unfairness of being let go. Let them fire you.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2930751]Girls are vengeful little creatures. I make them leave me if I am done. I will cut their allowance due to business slump, SO discovery, whatever. Tell her you really love being with her and you hope she will be understanding. Keep cutting until she leaves -and she will. If she is willing to take you on for free, then you got a deal. Remember the term "going Postal?" These fired employees went back and shot people because they were so distraught at the perceived unfairness of being let go. Let them fire you.[/QUOTE]If possible, ALWAYS get them to initiate the breakup or force them to fade. As soon as they indicate any dissatisfaction, seize on it and nourish that flame. Dumping them results in their ego taking over, and stupid shit happens after that.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2930751]Girls are vengeful little creatures. I make them leave me if I am done. I will cut their allowance due to business slump, SO discovery, whatever. Tell her you really love being with her and you hope she will be understanding. Keep cutting until she leaves -and she will. If she is willing to take you on for free, then you got a deal. Remember the term "going Postal?" These fired employees went back and shot people because they were so distraught at the perceived unfairness of being let go. Let them fire you.[/QUOTE]While there are still females on the planet that are not vindictive by nature, it is safe to assume that any girl you meet on an SD site has the potential to go sideways. The same daddy issues, sense of entitlement, lack of work ethic and other elements that land them on a website searching for an SD (combined with their age & maturity) are the same elements that make them highly prone to going sideways emotionally. No matter how sweet or stable they seem, it's best to assume that they WILL go off the rails under the right conditions. One of those conditions that occurs frequently is when you cut them loose.

Just as FM says, it's best to learn the art of making them want to avoid you. I have not mastered the art yet, but I can speak about what has worked for me and what hasn't. When it's time to cut ties, I try to actually start contacting them more frequently instead of the natural tendency to contact them less. Contacting them less frequently will just invoke the "pursuer" instinct in them, make them wonder what's wrong and gear their mind toward "scorned" mode. You want the opposite, for them to feel pursued. This makes them gravitate toward others (boyfriends their age, other SDs, or just their friends in general). Ideally you'd like them to feel a bit smothered or overwhelmed, but I find that to require an unrealistic amount of my time (especially texting them constantly).

Sometimes I will just lead conversation down some path that will inevitably lead to some sort argument. Sometimes it's enough, but sometimes it backfires. It's better to simply find what repels them. Sometimes it's anything that requires them to think logically, or explain themselves in a way that requires complete truth. Cite their contradictions, send them cut-and-paste evidence (or phone screenshots of what they said prior) to call them out on all the times they said something you knew wasn't true. A lot of them are repelled by truth -- they live a life that is based on how they want to perceive things rather than the truth, so when presented with conclusive evidence of truth, they are unable to process it any other way than by making themselves scarce, and this is what you want. You want THEM to decide it's over and the sugar is no longer worth the time and effort.

What about the girls that are honest, forthright, what-you-see-is-what-you-get people who deal with truth every day? Well if you ever meet one of those on an SD site, let me know. But if you do, you won't have to worry about the tactics mentioned above, because they are not the type that will go sideways on you, they are the type where you can say exactly what's on your mind and they will understand.

Then there are other, less fair ways I'm sure like telling her you just got diagnosed with an STD, or just disappearing, and so on but I do believe in karma and most of those tactics have some sort of potentially unpleasant side effect. If you want to break clean the above method works as well as anything I've found.