The Woodshed

[QUOTE=OnTime877;4890738]Muddy the waters, etc. And why? Red Talon already told us. He wants to do everything but lick doorknobs. He wants nothing to do with any of this Covid stuff and the hindrances it places on his fun. Is like the smoker that wants to keep smoking. They want to talk about the smokers that live to be 80, or about how the numbers and science are unreliable, and whatnot.

Here's an excellent Covid data source. Pick your country and scroll down and check the graphs.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

These are the credentials of the site.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/about/[/URL]

Here's a post I posted here 16 days ago with plenty of data. It also contains an article regarding long term health issues in Covid survivors.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11546-The-Woodshed&p=4865003[/URL]#post4865003.

Was at the barbecue spot this afternoon and guy said as he was leaving, "this will all magically disappear after November. " So in other words it's all a worldwide conspiracy to hurt the perpetual victim, Trump. Yes there are people this dumb, and many are in Jacksonville. Red Talon may not be this dumb, but Covid is serious business. I'm finished arguing about it on monger boards. Once the denying and deflecting starts it's a useless endeavor. Is like trying to talk someone out of their religion or committments to Area 51 and alien abductions.[/QUOTE]No-where did I say it was a conspiracy. I said it was too politicized and to prove my point by asking a few key questions guys tied up a lot of time trying to interpret what I said. I always tell people when the virus comes up in conversation, "we will all get it, just when and how severe is the question". Nothing can be done to stop the deaths. Yes, we can stay in our houses and wear masks all of the time but what is the end game? Do we stay like this for years? Yes, yes. They are working on vaccines but that is a year out at the minimum.

Like I stated in previous posts, I will wear a mask when necessary but I'm going to live my life and not hide. I've had (3) COVID tests this year due to multiple procedures to remove a kidney stone and the tests are not pleasant to say the least.

Everyone bitches about Trump but they do not offer solutions except for raising taxes and increasing the size of the government. If the democrats were serious about getting him out of office, why Biden? They have so many talented people they could have nominated. They also need to tell Hillary to shut the fuck up and go back to her room, she doesn't do anyone any favors. I think Trump might be elected in a landslide this year because the Democrats literally are throwing the election plus people are nit going to tell pollsters they are voting for Trump.

I just want to keep more of the money I make, let free market capitalism reign and reduce the size of both the government and welfare state. Is that too much to ask? According to the democrat party, yes it is.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939]
Everyone bitches about Trump but they do not offer solutions except for raising taxes and increasing the size of the government.
I just want to keep more of the money I make, let free market capitalism reign and reduce the size of both the government and welfare state. Is that too much to ask? According to the democrat party, yes it is.[/QUOTE]But do you not see the kettle and pot here? Stating everyone complains about what they want, but offer no spelled out solutions, while stating what you want to complain about yourself, without stating any solutions. And "Less people like X, more people like Y" is not a solution. It's a hail mary pass by betting on the team you like to pass the buck of responsibility simply on if you find the team colors appealing.
None of of have fleshed out solutions, its hypocritical to whine others just complain and they need to keep quiet, so you can have your turn to complain. Either we all can, or none of us can.

And EVERYONE of us wants less taxes, less people dependent on welfare, and less govt waste. I mean is anyone here (or in general population) arguing:I want less of my own money, more poor people collecting welfare, and more govt overreach and bloated waste?

You are jousting windmills here to find a villain to blame. I don't see how your argument is counter to what almost every citizen wants. You are trying to make a dichotomy out of a non-disagreement.

The system as a whole is to blame not one color team banner or the other.
To think "Man if only X side ran everything. it would be great" is again, naively tribalistic and frankly childishly simple minded to think that the problem is always the side you dislike. Its never that simple...but it IS simple and 'pattern finding nature' of humans to blame the other tribe of cavemen in that other cave for the sorrows we have.
We gravitate towards "Yea...fuck THAT tribe over there" since the first time a caveman threw a rock at another cave. You have to catch when you follow that line of thinking and realize its 'dumb loyalty to pack survival trait' causing it, not logical thinking.

[QUOTE=Motoyo;4890981]But do you not see the kettle and pot here? Stating everyone complains about what they want, but offer no spelled out solutions, while stating what you want to complain about yourself, without stating any solutions. And "Less people like X, more people like Y" is not a solution. It's a hail mary pass by betting on the team you like to pass the buck of responsibility simply on if you find the team colors appealing.
None of of have fleshed out solutions, its hypocritical to whine others just complain and they need to keep quiet, so you can have your turn to complain. Either we all can, or none of us can.

And EVERYONE of us wants less taxes, less people dependent on welfare, and less govt waste. I mean is anyone here (or in general population) arguing:I want less of my own money, more poor people collecting welfare, and more govt overreach and bloated waste?

You are jousting windmills here to find a villain to blame. I don't see how your argument is counter to what almost every citizen wants. You are trying to make a dichotomy out of a non-disagreement.

The system as a whole is to blame not one color team banner or the other.
To think "Man if only X side ran everything. it would be great" is again, naively tribalistic and frankly childishly simple minded to think that the problem is always the side you dislike. Its never that simple...but it IS simple and 'pattern finding nature' of humans to blame the other tribe of cavemen in that other cave for the sorrows we have.
We gravitate towards "Yea...fuck THAT tribe over there" since the first time a caveman threw a rock at another cave. You have to catch when you follow that line of thinking and realize its 'dumb loyalty to pack survival trait' causing it, not logical thinking.[/QUOTE]

I always find it amazing how people on the Republican side is always saying they don't want to take care of everybody else and want to keep most of their money; rightly so! I agree! They imply that the other side is vying for their cash and are too lazy to get their own money. The truth of the matter is, both parties are a part of this problem. If both parties had the guts to make corporations pay people a living wage, maybe the country could afford to shut down for 2-3 months because people would be financially prepared. You know, most financial counselors tell us to put aside a six month emergency fund but who can do this with these starvation wages? By the way, I'm neither Republican nor Democratic, as I believe they are two feathers of the same bird. Not much difference between the two clown parties. These parties are about the corporation and not the people! Periodt!

Anyway, again, if people could actually remain out of work (excluding essential workers), while depending on their OWN emergency fund and wear masks as scientist have recommended, we would have probably been in better shape today. Let's face it though, a big part of reopening things has much to do with money. Our citizens are not prepared for a shutdown- not financially. So for those who complain about not giving their tax dollars to "those people", because of past policies (e. G. , paying starvation wages), we (USA Citizens) are now having to give our tax dollars to "those very people" in the form of stimulus checks. What will make matters worse is another round of checks might be going out--putting the country in further debt! You see how one bad policy has a domino effect? Why don't we stop blaming the poor all the time for being poor and let's consider bad policies that have also contributed to poverty and people living from paycheck to paycheck. We never blame the rich nor their prostitutes (politicians) for these issues-- but we're quick to blame the common man and woman.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939]No-where did I say it was a conspiracy. [/QUOTE]And I never said you're stupid like the moron at Sonny's barbecue, but there are a lot of such guys around and virtually all are Republicans and Trump fans. Sorry to hear about your kidney stone. I've had a Covid test, a nasal swab and it was completely painless. Am not sure why your tests involved pain.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939]I said it was too politicized and to prove my point by asking a few key questions guys tied up a lot of time trying to interpret what I said. [/QUOTE]Looked to me like when the data didn't go the way you wanted you decided to start complaining about politics, Biden, and reciting overly simplistic conservative talking points. None of that has anything to do with anything when it comes to the question of whether this Covid is a serious problem. It most certainly is. The datas and graphs are unyielding, as is the virus as it doesn't care about your politics.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939]I always tell people when the virus comes up in conversation, "we will all get it, just when and how severe is the question". Nothing can be done to stop the deaths. Yes, we can stay in our houses and wear masks all of the time but what is the end game? Do we stay like this for years? Yes, yes. They are working on vaccines but that is a year out at the minimum. [/QUOTE]And it's like I told you before. LOL You have a false dichotomy going. There are other choices besides hiding in the house with masks on and your caution to the wind approach. The end game at least in the short term is to get the virus under control like the EU has done. Vaccines also aren't the only goal but also effective treatments. Also given the many factors cited in this article a vaccine could possibly come sooner than a year.

[URL]https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-vaccine-are-we-close-to-finding-one-heres-whats-happening/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939]Everyone bitches about Trump but they do not offer solutions except for raising taxes and increasing the size of the government. If the democrats were serious about getting him out of office, why Biden? They have so many talented people they could have nominated. They also need to tell Hillary to shut the fuck up and go back to her room, she doesn't do anyone any favors. I think Trump might be elected in a landslide this year because the Democrats literally are throwing the election plus people are nit going to tell pollsters they are voting for Trump.
I just want to keep more of the money I make, let free market capitalism reign and reduce the size of both the government and welfare state. Is that too much to ask? According to the democrat party, yes it is.[/QUOTE]Huge yawn. I'll indulge for a few even though this has nothing to do with Covid. You lost that debate over two weeks ago and have only been deflecting since. Free market capitalism hasn't "reigned" since the age of the robber barons. The abuses such an unfettered capitalist system produces have been very unpopular. There are thus checks placed on it like regulations on insider trading and other white collar crimes, and socialist systems like public education, fire safety, building and meat inpsections, student loans, Medicare and Social Security. Your typical Republican is for all of this. Only some Libertarians want to ditch all of that. They aren't worth discussing though as they'd be lucky to win 2% of the national vote. All of the world's developed economies mix socialism and capitialism because it's the only practical way to go. So your whining about Biden and Hillary are out of court to start with. Trump though is gone because he is corrupt as hell and says a lot of stupid things. He has also been incompetent in the virus response. All he has for sure at this point are his Koolaid drinkers. He needs to pick up a lot of Centrists in key states to win. He's lost most of those. Though Barak was a better candidate Biden was part of a successful two term adminstration that brought us out of the Great Recession, conservatives crying the whole way with loaves of bread under their arms. Just like they cried all during the Clinton years during a booming economy with a balanced budget. There's no end to the whining from those guys, who are the true "snowflakes. " Trump has only put us in this Covid mess telling people to inject bleach, and ignored the problem for many months as he held no mask, no social distancing rallies with his morons. His China policy has been a joke (See below). There's no wall but three miles of steel slats. You paid for it, not Mexico. The midwest hasn't been re-industrialized, and he's spiked the national debt. He's gone as he's lost way too many of the middle of the road voters that gave him a chance last time.

[URL]https://warontherocks.com/2020/07/what-should-come-after-trumps-failed-china-policy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4890939] I always tell people when the virus comes up in conversation, "we will all get it, just when and how severe is the question". .[/QUOTE]This is a statement just as ignorant as the conspiracy theorist up at Sonny's, but we all need to be aware that there are plenty of guys like yourself running around. We have to try and work around you. "We will all get it" is not a given since many countries have gotten the virus well under control. This at least buys valuable time. Your fatalist approach was tried in Sweden. They've seen 5,646 deaths and are still nowhere near heard immunity. Their neighbors with similar societal contructs Norway, Denmark, and Finland have seen 261,611, and 328 respectively. Yes there is a "way to stop the deaths. " It involves listening to contagious disease specialists and scientists, not the opinions of guys on barstools. Lessons well learned.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/21/coronavirus-swedish-herd-immunity-drove-up-death-toll-column/5472100002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=OnTime877;4891132]And I never said you're stupid like the moron at Sonny's barbecue, but there are a lot of such guys around and virtually all are Republicans and Trump fans. Sorry to hear about your kidney stone. I've had a Covid test, a nasal swab and it was completely painless. Am not sure why your tests involved pain.

Looked to me like when the data didn't go the way you wanted you decided to start complaining about politics, Biden, and reciting overly simplistic conservative talking points. None of that has anything to do with anything when it comes to the question of whether this Covid is a serious problem. It most certainly is. The datas and graphs are unyielding, as is the virus as it doesn't care about your politics.

And it's like I told you before. LOL You have a false dichotomy going. There are other choices besides hiding in the house with masks on and your caution to the wind approach. The end game at least in the short term is to get the virus under control like the EU has done. Vaccines also aren't the only goal but also effective treatments. Also given the many factors cited in this article a vaccine could possibly come sooner than a year.

[URL]https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-vaccine-are-we-close-to-finding-one-heres-whats-happening/[/URL]

Trump has only put us in this Covid mess telling people to inject bleach, and ignored the problem for many months as he held no mask, no social distancing rallies with his morons. His China policy has been a joke (See below). There's no wall but three miles of steel slats. You paid for it, not Mexico. The midwest hasn't been re-industrialized, and he's spiked the national debt. He's gone as he's lost way too many of the middle of the road voters that gave him a chance last time.

[URL]https://warontherocks.com/2020/07/what-should-come-after-trumps-failed-china-policy/[/URL][/QUOTE]You forgot to mention that "terrific" healthcare policy we still don't have; the one that was to replace so-called Obamacare. Now millions are without health insurance! I can't imagine the medical bills people will have and the domino effect that will follow: record bankruptcies!

This is an incredible the amount of time slicing and dicing my posts, well done! Just think about what you got out of it and what could have been done with it. Nothing has changed except for calling me names and everyone on all sides is right. Huge props all around!

I think the common ground we can agree on is the virus is bad and is not going anywhere and all politicians should go away.

Seriously, all points are well made. I will continue to feel the way I do and all parties involved will continue as well. Good luck and I hope everyone stays safe!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4891337]I think the common ground we can agree on is the virus is bad and is not going anywhere and all politicians should go away.

Seriously, all points are well made. I will continue to feel the way I do and all parties involved will continue as well. Good luck and I hope everyone stays safe![/QUOTE]Same! Mean no ill will or think of anyone any less for it. Everyone stay safe.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4891337]This is an incredible the amount of time slicing and dicing my posts, well done! Just think about what you got out of it and what could have been done with it. Nothing has changed except for calling me names and everyone on all sides is right. Huge props all around!

I think the common ground we can agree on is the virus is bad and is not going anywhere and all politicians should go away.

Seriously, all points are well made. I will continue to feel the way I do and all parties involved will continue as well. Good luck and I hope everyone stays safe![/QUOTE]How, can you say slice and dice, if that's exactly what you did through this whole little discussion, when I went down the line and addressed everything you said in your posts. Then all you do is come back with "Numbers, OMG Numbers arent right". I swear the Hypocritical people that follow this man. This is exactly why its impossible to talk, converse, hold a debate with anyone that follows the current Potus. All they say is what they feel right in the moment wrong or right, which no footing. Every disagreement if you talk long enough with them has weak and shaky foundation, so if you dig deep enough into their B. S they cave and pull the exact stunt you just pulled LOL. "OMG chill out, I guess we agree to disagree I'm still going to do what I do" .

Some funny people in this world, but atleast we can agree that the virus is indeed bad and the politicians in this country at present only exacerbates the situation.

[QUOTE=NeckAuthority;4891656]How, can you say slice and dice, if that's exactly what you did through this whole little discussion, when I went down the line and addressed everything you said in your posts. Then all you do is come back with "Numbers, OMG Numbers arent right". I swear the Hypocritical people that follow this man. This is exactly why its impossible to talk, converse, hold a debate with anyone that follows the current Potus. All they say is what they feel right in the moment wrong or right, which no footing. Every disagreement if you talk long enough with them has weak and shaky foundation, so if you dig deep enough into their B. S they cave and pull the exact stunt you just pulled LOL. "OMG chill out, I guess we agree to disagree I'm still going to do what I do" .

Some funny people in this world, but atleast we can agree that the virus is indeed bad and the politicians in this country at present only exacerbates the situation.[/QUOTE]So, in your world anyone else's opinions are always wrong if they disagree with you. Understood.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4891787]So, in your world anyone else's opinions are always wrong if they disagree with you. Understood.[/QUOTE]Isn't that the nature of opinions? I mean no matter how far apart two opinions are, and no matter how subjective they might be, in our minds we believe what believe because some objective reality makes one right. Or more right. Than the other. It's possible to be wrong and not know it; but don't most people form opinions based on what they at least believe to be true? That seems like the ost human thing in the world to me.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4891787]So, in your world anyone else's opinions are always wrong if they disagree with you. Understood.[/QUOTE]Where did I say that? Yet if that's how you seen it, as I mention earlier about trump proving the democrats correct. You just proved what I just said about you correct. Its cool to disagree, but if you enter into a discussion with the argument that "just because I say it is", with nothing to back it up, or like you just did make up something to fit your narrative. Then Stay quite while the adults are talking LOL.

[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;4891302]You forgot to mention that "terrific" healthcare policy we still don't have; the one that was to replace so-called Obamacare. Now millions are without health insurance! I can't imagine the medical bills people will have and the domino effect that will follow: record bankruptcies![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/[/URL]

Saw this the other day. Nearly 1. 2 million dollars. If he didn't have insurance he would be a dead man, and if we play the game of ifs. If the hospital would of continue treating him if he did not have insurance. He would have no choice but to file Bankruptcy. 1. 2 m is around what alot of Americans make in a lifetime. There's also a video on Youtube about people in the UK trying to guess the cost of Healthcare in the USA Its funny, but highlights how absurd and un-affordable the cost to live over here is. I personally didn't know it cost to hold your own baby after birth LOL.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4891337]This is an incredible the amount of time slicing and dicing my posts, well done! Just think about what you got out of it and what could have been done with it. Nothing has changed except for calling me names and everyone on all sides is right. Huge props all around!

I think the common ground we can agree on is the virus is bad and is not going anywhere and all politicians should go away.

Seriously, all points are well made. I will continue to feel the way I do and all parties involved will continue as well. Good luck and I hope everyone stays safe![/QUOTE]Be safe also Bro and good luck. A few rounds of back and forth is a good intellectualize exercise. When people start going in circles though is when it's time to end it.

[QUOTE=OnTime877;4892552]Be safe also Bro and good luck. A few rounds of back and forth is a good intellectualize exercise. When people start going in circles though is when it's time to end it.[/QUOTE]You as well, I'm not going to worry about it as it's a waste of energy. Stay safe!

Why are people debating the virus on here? I come here and this hobby as a distraction from real life. I come to and post on this thread in particular to keep myself safe while doing my hobby.

Instead and I don't care about your feelings either way, I have to wade through a cple grown ass men debating each there about nothing to do with why we are here.

I swear between the gross girls on stg and the outright little girls bitching on here, I am about to give up!

ADMIN, HERE A THOUGHT IF ANYONE MYSELF INCLUDED BRING UP THE VIRUS, POLITICS, UNEMPLOYMENT OR THEIR BITCHY little PERIOD BAN them FOR LIFE!

Rant over Jesus Christ feel like I should stick a dick in the whiny little mouths and give them a 20 doing everyone favor.

Rant over lets get back to business.

Of the folder you're reading, The Woodshed, is for off-topic discussion, including disagreements that stray from the topics. The really simple solution if you don't want to read such discussion is to not open the folder where they take place. Nobody forced you to click that button. That was all you.

[QUOTE=JaxRogue;4893456]Why are people debating the virus on here? I come here and this hobby as a distraction from real life. I come to and post on this thread in particular to keep myself safe while doing my hobby.

Instead and I don't care about your feelings either way, I have to wade through a cple grown ass men debating each there about nothing to do with why we are here.

I swear between the gross girls on stg and the outright little girls bitching on here, I am about to give up!

ADMIN, HERE A THOUGHT IF ANYONE MYSELF INCLUDED BRING UP THE VIRUS, POLITICS, UNEMPLOYMENT OR THEIR BITCHY little PERIOD BAN them FOR LIFE!

Rant over Jesus Christ feel like I should stick a dick in the whiny little mouths and give them a 20 doing everyone favor.

Rant over lets get back to business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JaxRogue;4893456]ADMIN, HERE A THOUGHT IF ANYONE MYSELF INCLUDED BRING UP THE VIRUS, POLITICS, UNEMPLOYMENT OR THEIR BITCHY little PERIOD BAN them FOR LIFE![/QUOTE]Looks like you are auditioning for moderator but we already have one. It's the "Woodshed" thread which allows for off topic discussions, thus allowing the others to be free for discussions of the "hobby. " Stick with those and thus save yourself all the hysteria with the cap kep. Problem solved. .

[QUOTE=DWaltonXXX;4893529]Of the folder you're reading, The Woodshed, is for off-topic discussion, including disagreements that stray from the topics. The really simple solution if you don't want to read such discussion is to not open the folder where they take place. Nobody forced you to click that button. That was all you.[/QUOTE]Knocked this out of the park.

I haven't been cruising for swans in a while because I've been very fortunate to have 3 of them that have kept the same number for damn near a year and been seeing those reliable 3, but this day I decided to go cruising around for the first time in many months. Cruising down the infamous 22nd and Pearl St, not much action as I only saw a guy and a older lady sitting in front of one of the houses. I noticed a car coming from the opposite direction, not thinking much of it but it was kinda in the middle of street going a little faster than it should be for a short street. The driver threw something out of the window as we got closer that hit my door, I just kept going almost getting to Main and then like seconds later BOOOM, it was some kind of bomb that was thrown, I just stopped and looked back in amazement and bewilderment, apparently it was meant for the people that were sitting in front of that house. Needless to say I left the area and called one of my reliables. Just putting it out there for you guys to stay safe, apparently I was passing through some kind of Street beef.

[QUOTE=LukeCage668;4898190]I haven't been cruising for swans in a while because I've been very fortunate to have 3 of them that have kept the same number for damn near a year and been seeing those reliable 3, but this day I decided to go cruising around for the first time in many months. Cruising down the infamous 22nd and Pearl St, not much action as I only saw a guy and a older lady sitting in front of one of the houses. I noticed a car coming from the opposite direction, not thinking much of it but it was kinda in the middle of street going a little faster than it should be for a short street. The driver threw something out of the window as we got closer that hit my door, I just kept going almost getting to Main and then like seconds later BOOOM, it was some kind of bomb that was thrown, I just stopped and looked back in amazement and bewilderment, apparently it was meant for the people that were sitting in front of that house. Needless to say I left the area and called one of my reliables. Just putting it out there for you guys to stay safe, apparently I was passing through some kind of Street beef.[/QUOTE]Probably a mortar. I know back in the days a few of my "friends" would ride around and throw those into people's yards to fuck with them. Heard that one almost dropped into the truck bed because the idiot had it slipped.

Dude. You've been pretty active on the board lately and all I see is you complaining and asking about info on providers! Then you review one who I wouldn't even dare to go see based on looks! LOL. Me personally I've seen "Vivienne" who used to go by a different name when she was on SA and used to stay out in a nice apartment out in Bartram Park area. Now I haven't seen her since she's been posting on STG. When I did see her, from what I can tell from her STG pics, she still has a nice body (including her ass)! If you don't like what pics they post for you then don't go see them, simple as that. You act like these girls need to sit around all day and cater to "your" needs! This is their "job" and how they make their living! So yea you are wasting their time when you message them back and forth with nonsense. Either you go see for yourself or you don't. Quit beating around the Bush with silly requests when you have all the information you need from the ads and from other people that have already reviwed! Man get off your high horse and go see some Eros women is basically what you like to describe, women with touched up pics. But then again you don't like to spend $! LOL, its STG ads man classic case of YMMV, but that's basically with anyone you go see honestly. Just a risk you take in this hobby. I've been called out before when I first started out! Someone needs to call you out because you been out of control lately lmao.

I need career advice I want to be able to stand on my own.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;4900297]Dude. You've been pretty active on the board lately and all I see is you complaining and asking about info on providers! Then you review one who I wouldn't even dare to go see based on looks! LOL. Me personally I've seen "Vivienne" who used to go by a different name when she was on SA and used to stay out in a nice apartment out in Bartram Park area. Now I haven't seen her since she's been posting on STG. When I did see her, from what I can tell from her STG pics, she still has a nice body (including her ass)! If you don't like what pics they post for you then don't go see them, simple as that. You act like these girls need to sit around all day and cater to "your" needs! This is their "job" and how they make their living! So yea you are wasting their time when you message them back and forth with nonsense. Either you go see for yourself or you don't. Quit beating around the Bush with silly requests when you have all the information you need from the ads and from other people that have already reviwed! Man get off your high horse and go see some Eros women is basically what you like to describe, women with touched up pics. But then again you don't like to spend $! LOL, its STG ads man classic case of YMMV, but that's basically with anyone you go see honestly. Just a risk you take in this hobby. I've been called out before when I first started out! Someone needs to call you out because you been out of control lately lmao.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm- it seems Viv has a white knight! Next thing you know, you two will be walking down the aisle of hooker matrimony! Just because people don't agree with your assessment of a provider, don't get mad like a little biatch! Others have said negative things about her too, yet, you call me out! It's sad to see a so-called man get all bent out of shape over a hooker who gives 1-not 2, F's about him! Damn, sorry for late response and tell Viv I said hilo! Send me an invitation too white knight!

I rarely do this but after reading this individual's past reviews, after he attacked me, it appears he's been accused of being a self-reviewer. If anyone cares to look, his reviews have been very questionable at best. He's been on the board for probably almost 4 years and only 40 something posts. That's odd and it shows you're not much of a contributor. He should read one of the reports he posted below where he accused me of doing something he also did--double standard much!? At any rate, seems Mr. Or Ms. WeTheBest904 has had a lot of issues in the past and I'd be very suspect of his / her posts! IJS.

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"OK. #1 Just because I respond to a post its "defensive". #2 You are wrong and I'm not that guy, sorry you got turned around for whatever reason maybe you caught her at a bad time obviously since she wanted you to be there in 5! Also I don't see how it was a "glowing" review, to each his own. I merely said she was 100% real and sexy as fawk. Didn't know posting real pics was a red flag. Listen, if you think I wasn't nervous as fuck going to see her then you're wrong! Like you guys always say to new members, TOFTT! LOL and that's exactly what I did. As far as 100 QV, I'll gladly donate my $ not yours to someone who is legit and clean any day! Compared to all this other trash on BP, sure it's easy to go ahead and tell yourself she's not real, I sure as hell did. And this "porn star" quality you speak of, you're looking in the wrong place for that man. Your tastes and my tastes are totally different, plain and simple. All I can say is if you like her look then enjoy, if not then I'm sorry. Perfect example I went to go see Sabina over at mandarin who you guys wrote this "glowing" review on. And she was just ok to me! Not everyone here is going to like what you like. Isn't that why we always say YMMV in our posts / reviews? Also I've never been with a pornstar so I don't know what quality you're looking for! You have to go see for yourself. I would try again to see her if you've already passed her "screening" process by sending a pic of your junk, LOL. I don't know what else to say. I know others here trust my reviews and you don't have to and that's fine. I only did a QV just to confirm what's there obviously and she is all there. You guys can take it for what it's worth. I'm good.

Fine with me if you guys don't dream of her! LOL fawk it take it or leave it. Like I said before your loss is my gain. Lmao oops self review again. All I know is I'm on the inside looking out now. Sucks for you guys that don't believe me but what do I know this is just a self review right. I already knew I was going to catch some flack when I reviewed her but hey you senior members can figure it out on your own. I'll be gladly hitting that while you guys are on the fence waiting to make the jump LOL. I already did for you guys and now it's a self review. Crazy how that works.

So I guess she was a self review too! Lmao you guys are too funny. This is why I don't post a lot. I guess I'll keep my "self reviews" to myself. Oh well. Guess I'll start posting non review BS stuff as well so I can be a senior member just like you guys.

Quebec and LukeCage really! And you 2 "senior member" pm me about other providers!? Lmao. I guess this is a self review too. You guys make senior members status seem like a joke. Let's not forget why we're on this forum / board. To help one another find pussy. Just cause I post a review on a provider automatically a self review! WTF is that. Look I got nothing to gain from that. If you're too pussy to go and see for yourself then I can't help you! Like I said my gain and your loss if you don't believe me on this one. I'll gladly be a regular of hers so long as she's still providing. At least I TOFTT! I don't know what the deal is with the guy but when I saw her I didn't see him around until after I left I saw a guy standing outside a door adjacent to the room somewhat smoking a cig. Could it have been him? Possibly, but there was no interruptions in my dream from him is all I'm saying.

WN and MBX. You guys are exactly right! Nail on the head how could possibly fool you guys LOL. Your loss my gain. Period. Don't need to explain myself you guys and go see for yourself but I guess since you are the SM here, you know better my mistake. Sorry. Like I said if you have the cojones to go see her then you won't be disappointed. I've posted nothing but reviews on providers and this is my first non. All you SM post some BS all the time just to get that "status". You guys are too funny. But what do I know, this is just a self review! Lmao. ".

[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;4914759]I rarely do this but after reading this individual's past reviews, after he attacked me, it appears he's been accused of being a self-reviewer. If anyone cares to look, his reviews have been very questionable at best. He's been on the board for probably almost 4 years and only 40 something posts. That's odd and it shows you're not much of a contributor. He should read one of the reports he posted below where he accused me of doing something he also did--double standard much!? At any rate, seems Mr. Or Ms. WeTheBest904 has had a lot of issues in the past and I'd be very suspect of his / her posts! IJS.

Previous posts:

"OK. #1 Just because I respond to a post its "defensive". #2 You are wrong and I'm not that guy, sorry you got turned around for whatever reason maybe you caught her at a bad time obviously since she wanted you to be there in 5! Also I don't see how it was a "glowing" review, to each his own. I merely said she was 100% real and sexy as fawk. Didn't know posting real pics was a red flag. Listen, if you think I wasn't nervous as fuck going to see her then you're wrong! Like you guys always say to new members, TOFTT! LOL and that's exactly what I did. As far as 100 QV, I'll gladly donate my $ not yours to someone who is legit and clean any day! Compared to all this other trash on BP, sure it's easy to go ahead and tell yourself she's not real, I sure as hell did. And this "porn star" quality you speak of, you're looking in the wrong place for that man. Your tastes and my tastes are totally different, plain and simple. All I can say is if you like her look then enjoy, if not then I'm sorry. Perfect example I went to go see Sabina over at mandarin who you guys wrote this "glowing" review on. And she was just ok to me! Not everyone here is going to like what you like. Isn't that why we always say YMMV in our posts / reviews? Also I've never been with a pornstar so I don't know what quality you're looking for! You have to go see for yourself. I would try again to see her if you've already passed her "screening" process by sending a pic of your junk, LOL. I don't know what else to say. I know others here trust my reviews and you don't have to and that's fine. I only did a QV just to confirm what's there obviously and she is all there. You guys can take it for what it's worth. I'm good.

Fine with me if you guys don't dream of her! LOL fawk it take it or leave it. Like I said before your loss is my gain. Lmao oops self review again. All I know is I'm on the inside looking out now. Sucks for you guys that don't believe me but what do I know this is just a self review right. I already knew I was going to catch some flack when I reviewed her but hey you senior members can figure it out on your own. I'll be gladly hitting that while you guys are on the fence waiting to make the jump LOL. I already did for you guys and now it's a self review. Crazy how that works.

So I guess she was a self review too! Lmao you guys are too funny. This is why I don't post a lot. I guess I'll keep my "self reviews" to myself. Oh well. Guess I'll start posting non review BS stuff as well so I can be a senior member just like you guys.

Quebec and LukeCage really! And you 2 "senior member" pm me about other providers!? Lmao. I guess this is a self review too. You guys make senior members status seem like a joke. Let's not forget why we're on this forum / board. To help one another find pussy. Just cause I post a review on a provider automatically a self review! WTF is that. Look I got nothing to gain from that. If you're too pussy to go and see for yourself then I can't help you! Like I said my gain and your loss if you don't believe me on this one. I'll gladly be a regular of hers so long as she's still providing. At least I TOFTT! I don't know what the deal is with the guy but when I saw her I didn't see him around until after I left I saw a guy standing outside a door adjacent to the room somewhat smoking a cig. Could it have been him? Possibly, but there was no interruptions in my dream from him is all I'm saying.

WN and MBX. You guys are exactly right! Nail on the head how could possibly fool you guys LOL. Your loss my gain. Period. Don't need to explain myself you guys and go see for yourself but I guess since you are the SM here, you know better my mistake. Sorry. Like I said if you have the cojones to go see her then you won't be disappointed. I've posted nothing but reviews on providers and this is my first non. All you SM post some BS all the time just to get that "status". You guys are too funny. But what do I know, this is just a self review! Lmao. ".[/QUOTE]Hey, what did I do? LOL.

[QUOTE=Quebec;4915562]Hey, what did I do? LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL- you didn't do anything. I was just listing some of this guy's reviews showing he seemed to have a pattern of getting into it with members in the past. You're good!

[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;4915653]LOL- you didn't do anything. I was just listing some of this guy's reviews showing he seemed to have a pattern of getting into it with members in the past. You're good![/QUOTE]Oh I see, that was a copy of his post. Gotcha!

You win. I guess I'm this white knight you speak of. LOL. I don't post much because I have my regulars which you're still searching for. Oh and great job copy and pasting. Here's a throwback of a massage provider (if any of you were lucky enough to see her) I'm still seeing.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;4916213]You win. I guess I'm this white knight you speak of. LOL. I don't post much because I have my regulars which you're still searching for. Oh and great job copy and pasting. Here's a throwback of a massage provider (if any of you were lucky enough to see her) I'm still seeing.[/QUOTE]Stop being weird and grow up.

[QUOTE=Powerhouse100;4916773]Stop being weird and grow up.[/QUOTE]I told you already you won man. I'm bowing out.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;4916213]You win. I guess I'm this white knight you speak of. LOL. I don't post much because I have my regulars which you're still searching for. Oh and great job copy and pasting. Here's a throwback of a massage provider (if any of you were lucky enough to see her) I'm still seeing.[/QUOTE]Just keep in mind that asshole / douchebags come and go to the forum all of the time. Not worth expending energy interacting with them, just toss them on the ignore list and eventually they ALWAYS fade away.

The forum has changed drastically since the Backpage days I think due to the unrelenting pressure on human trafficking spreading into other areas. Less info about girls and more guys clucking like old hens just to hear themselves. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4917025]Just keep in mind that asshole / douchebags come and go to the forum all of the time. Not worth expending energy interacting with them, just toss them on the ignore list and eventually they ALWAYS fade away.

The forum has changed drastically since the Backpage days I think due to the unrelenting pressure on human trafficking spreading into other areas. Less info about girls and more guys clucking like old hens just to hear themselves. Stay safe![/QUOTE]I second this one. You run into the ones that types with their nose in the air or the ones that feel entitled. The point on this forum is to help each other out, to an extent.

[QUOTE=JZetoro19;4917304]I second this one. You run into the ones that types with their nose in the air or the ones that feel entitled. The point on this forum is to help each other out, to an extent.[/QUOTE]I think that is also part of the reason guys don't post reviews as much as they could. When you post a positive review you have loudmouth assholes accusing you of "white knighting". I've been told that guys will tell a girl "if you don't give me a good price I will post a negative review".

Not sure who to believe but some guys on here are just scummy enough to pull something like that.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4917364]I think that is also part of the reason guys don't post reviews as much as they could. When you post a positive review you have loudmouth assholes accusing you of "white knighting". I've been told that guys will tell a girl "if you don't give me a good price I will post a negative review".

Not sure who to believe but some guys on here are just scummy enough to pull something like that.[/QUOTE]Yeah Red, I hear ya. You act just like a little biatch too. I mean, you posted something against me because I didn't agree with your assessment of Valentina the Latina. Actually, the real reason you posted it against me was because over here in the woodshed, I didn't agree with your stupid political views and after that, you came after me about Valentina, trying to make an argument with me about me saying she smelled like ass! And she did! It wasn't so much about Valentina as it was about you getting beat up about your political views, which I give 2 Fccks about! I mean, you tried to call me out by saying I lied about the girl's arse smell but the question is, were you there!? You and this "WeTheBest904 " or whatever he / she goes by, belong together! I rarely see you post anything of value! Think about it, Red agreed with someone who reviewed Valentina and it was this person's first post (self-post?) and now he's in the amen corner with someone who has ONLY 40 something posts and has been on here for 4 years! Two non-contributors! Red probably never even seen Valentina--he probably lied about seeing her just so he could start some dumb shit with me!

Most of the time, you come on here trying to give advice, as if we need your stupid advice! At any rate, I won't participate in your boyfriend and your foolish diatribe as this is my last word on dealing with you on stupidity. I can argue against the best of them partner but you and the other idiot aren't worth my time! Look at my reviews and look at your posts and let others judge who is actually posting valuable information--I'm sure I'll win by a long shot! Not that I'm competing with you! I guess you'll say like the other idiot that you don't post much because you have UTRs. Fine, don't post because no one needs your useless advice anyway. You 2 idiots! Frick and freck!

Sorry Red, I just remembered something:

You need to quit loaning hookers money and not share your account information especially if you don't want hookers ordering shit. Throat Goddess said you were an arrogant asshole anyways and that even your wife can't even tolerate your ass!

Now I'm sure you know what I'm talking about or should I elaborate further!? LOL.

[QUOTE=PervNerd48;4889957]Obama, they might have said some stupid things about "you didn't build it"[/QUOTE]This stemmed from a misunderstood antecedent.

The "it" Obama was referring to was the road that lead to the business, NOT the business itself. YOU didn't build the road that led to your business (well, not most people anyways).

He was talking about how we need society's support web to succeed individually. You can't have a successful retail store if customers can't get to your store, or if they get shot or abducted along the way, or if they die from buying tainted meat from you the first time around.

This is clear if one listens to the whole thing (or at least a few sentences on either side) instead of slicing up the sound like was done so frequently back in the day.

Say what you want about the man, his presidency, or his politics (I mean, I think he was demonstrably to the right of Reagan, but that's an opinion), but the persistence of this mis-quote irritates me to this day, which is why I'm replying to an old post after having not been on the board for awhile.

Also, yes, he said other things. I'm not commenting on other things he said or didn't say. Just this.

That's strange. I have hundreds of posts and dozens of reviews and nobody has ever accused me of white knighting.

You think. Maybe. It's because not every positive review is considered "white knighting"?

[QUOTE=RedTalon;4917364]I think that is also part of the reason guys don't post reviews as much as they could. When you post a positive review you have loudmouth assholes accusing you of "white knighting". I've been told that guys will tell a girl "if you don't give me a good price I will post a negative review".

Not sure who to believe but some guys on here are just scummy enough to pull something like that.[/QUOTE]

Honest question, I've never done one because the idea of being in public and getting caught freaks me out. Do you go to like the back of a Walmart parking lot and try to blend in, or what? How does this actually work? I'm open to trying it but I'd do well to have some understanding of what exactly the parameters are. How do you not get seen or be inconspicuous about it. Inbox is fine, any experienced member that wants to help me out is appreciated.

[QUOTE=MekaleKahi;4927099]Honest question, I've never done one because the idea of being in public and getting caught freaks me out. Do you go to like the back of a Walmart parking lot and try to blend in, or what? How does this actually work? I'm open to trying it but I'd do well to have some understanding of what exactly the parameters are. How do you not get seen or be inconspicuous about it. Inbox is fine, any experienced member that wants to help me out is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Probably get more responses in the SW thread. Literally their backyard. Anywho tint and sun shields and ya pretty much good in any parking lot. Nobody looking for your car. If you got tiny they would really have to strain their eyes. Plus your in Fl you should have tint anywho LOL.