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[QUOTE=Flava][url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ers/908608806.html[/url]
Has anyone seen this girl? I've never seen a girl to trade for herbs.
Legit girl?[/QUOTE]
She says verified but but doesn't say where. I would be thinking it is LE trying to get people for soliciting and a drug charge for bringing bud with them.
[QUOTE=Tpa48]Has anyone have the pleasure of dreaming about Julie? She has just one review review on TER. Has been posting all over Backpage.
[url]www.myjulielove.com[/url][/QUOTE]Legit girl. Delivers as promised. No upsell. BUT not one of the greatest experiences. Does not look quit as good as her pictures. Seemed to be somewhat preoccupied and drugged up?
[QUOTE=Parker Ave]She says verified but but doesn't say where. I would be thinking it is LE trying to get people for soliciting and a drug charge for bringing bud with them.[/QUOTE]This is one of Josh's girls. Refer to the thread on the Tampa Reviewer/GFE Reviewer's Scam. He's the ooompa loompa looking, bologna smelling pimp that masquerades as a legitimate review blog moderator. That is why she calls herself "verified". Basically means she's blown Josh a freebie in return for Josh writing a review on his blog and pretending it was a legitimate session. Kandy is one of the girls he promotes heavily, which means he is definitely her pimp. She is also the one who is at the front-line of his ongoing battle with the TampaBBW. Again, check out that other thread for more info.
No idea what she is like, given the only info I have seen on her comes from her pimp's phony review blog. You might check around and see if she has reviews on TER. Though Josh uses his inner circle to put reviews up on TER as well, so that's no guarantee. Let us know if you see her.
[QUOTE=Parker Ave]She says verified but but doesn't say where. I would be thinking it is LE trying to get people for soliciting and a drug charge for bringing bud with them.[/QUOTE]That is one of Josh's girls from the escort review, you can check out the thread here on usasexguide to get a little more info on that if you
would like :)
But thats really bold of her to put something like that in most of her ads.
I would say that she is more then likely not working for LE but she might be soon if she keeps posting that type of stuff in her ads.
I had the best dream yesterday.
In my dream I got to spend a very relaxing, unrushed hour with Dakota and Erica together. My dream started with my arrival at Erica's incall location, where I found her dressed in a very sexy "school girl" type outfits with white blouse and a cute little skirt. She looked fantastic with her high heels, manicured nails, makeup, etc.
Dakota showed up a little bit later looking like that cute, shy "girl next door" that we all have secret fantasies about (you know the type. Innocent on the outside but a tiger inside). She has the sexiest eyes and smile. Very seductive.
The next hour was VERY relaxing and enjoyable. The girls took turns helping me to relax, while taking good care of each other along the way. We all gave a helping hand (and tongue, etc.) as needed. And after we all felt very satisfied, we had a relaxing time just talking and getting to know each other better.
Both ladies are very warm, wet and friendly and offer F/S, GFE. Each have very kissable lips, soft skin and taste great! PM me for more info if you'd like. This was my first time with 2 ladies at once and I cannot think of 2 better people to have dreamed about. Both ladies get an A+ in my book for attitude, service, appearance and complete satisfaction.
These girls don't post that often but you can find them on CL sometimes if you search for: Dakota 4601 or Erica 3064
I think it's time we come up with a way for the Escorts to Prove that THEY are not LEO. LEO busts both providers and hobbyists, but if these girls want business will prove they are not LEO.
Lets hear some ideas for an escort to prove she's not LEO. Ok I'll start: You knock, she opens, you have the 'donation' envelope in your hand. You say, Show me something to prove your not a cop. She shows her tits for you to take a picture of.
Who else? Ideas?
[QUOTE=Parker Ave]She says verified but but doesn't say where. I would be thinking it is LE trying to get people for soliciting and a drug charge for bringing bud with them.[/QUOTE]
Where's the thread on Josh? It's not indexed on the Tampa page.
[QUOTE=Angeleyez727]That is one of Josh's girls from the escort review, you can check out the thread here on usasexguide to get a little more info on that if you
would like :)
But thats really bold of her to put something like that in most of her ads.
I would say that she is more then likely not working for LE but she might be soon if she keeps posting that type of stuff in her ads.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TampaDave]She is not newborn, or even new to Tampa. She was posting on CL about a year ago. She posted some older pics and I recognized the one where she is wearing a pink bikini. Her hair is different now too.
I forget what name she was using, but it might have been Heaven. I remember a number of complaints that she was upsell and occasionally cash and dash.
If someone decides to TOFTT, I suggest you keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]That girl's just Jade from before on CL. I love it when they change their names but not their pictures or their appearance. But, shoot if they had brains then they wouldn't be slobbin our knobs would they?
[QUOTE=J Melbourne27]I think it's time we come up with a way for the Escorts to Prove that THEY are not LEO. LEO busts both providers and hobbyists, but if these girls want business will prove they are not LEO.
Lets hear some ideas for an escort to prove she's not LEO. Ok I'll start: You knock, she opens, you have the 'donation' envelope in your hand. You say, Show me something to prove your not a cop. She shows her tits for you to take a picture of.
Who else? Ideas?[/QUOTE]A legit provider wont do that. Showing tits etc is considered a lewd act, which is under the prostitution charge.
[QUOTE=J Melbourne27]I think it's time we come up with a way for the Escorts to Prove that THEY are not LEO. LEO busts both providers and hobbyists, but if these girls want business will prove they are not LEO.
Lets hear some ideas for an escort to prove she's not LEO. OK I'll start: You knock, she opens, you have the 'donation' envelope in your hand. You say, Show me something to prove your not a cop. She shows her tits for you to take a picture of.
Who else? Ideas?[/QUOTE]I want to address this issue because it's men who put women who are legit at the most risk. If you are asking for a service then you can expect to eventually get taken down by asking that of the wrong person. THE only thing that makes what two consenting adults illegal is the conversation that takes place before money is exchanged.
If you walk in, hand her the cash, never speak a word and move into your play mode, even if you ripped off your clothes and had her right there with cops watching, you have broken no laws, because you did not agree to exchange money for sex. The problem here is so many of you will abuse your role as "monger" by claiming to be protecting yourselves that women like me, and others who are legit won't be making a date with the bellybuttonlosers of the world who ask for BBBJ as condition of meeting.
During the last Tampa Bust, there were several men who were arrested with battery as a result of, "touching" the undercover cop who was making the set up in the first place. For a cop to bust you, they need to have on record, you agreeing for service before they can make their arrest. I have had men know what was expected of them, show up and ask my rate again once they arrive. My response is always the same, that's information you should have had before you arrived.
Other stupid things providers do is take the cash in their hands. I have been out here for 10 years and you NEVER let any man put anything in your hand ever. Men don't do it! If you want to keep things in your control, never put money in any ones hand. Leave it in plain site. Make sure she knows you have left it and this is best done without words. I also recommend putting something next to the money, example, your watch, the drink you brought in with you, your sun glasses, anything that will allow you to use later that you were just putting your stuff down and given that you did not just put cash "only" down then they will have a difficult time proving your intent regardless of what that intend was or is.
If you ask my donation, I tell you and you agree to meet me. SHUSH it, smart men know to leave it at that and make the date. The idiot will try to get you to lay out the details of "what a date with you is like", "what they are going to get" How do they know you are "real". I have heard it all. If you are speaking to a woman who is at best "vague" about what she wants or expects, then she is your best bet. The woman who is openly telling you that she gives BBBJ, happy endings, fs, gfe, and any other defined services are the women who are sure to get you in trouble.
In 10 years in this business and other women can vouch for this as I'm sure this is the norm, men who ask rates and make dates are never willing to risk their lives and reputations by asking the wrong things. I love these men and they are usually ones you have the most fun with. They are mature, know the name of the game, play it well and always win. It seems to me that men who have nothing to lose are the ones taking all the risk and putting women at risk as well.
I have turned down dates with men I wanted to meet because they could not shut their mouths and left me with no choice but to decline their request to meet me. Cops WILL want to talk about sex and service. It's the ONLY way they can make a bust. If they can not get you to agree to an exchange, on record, they have no case. Men who abuse "monger power" are the ones to stay away from. If you are so worried about getting busted, stay home but don't try to make me prove I'm real because you're not smart enough to, say, and do the right thing. NOT one of these men are worth my blowing the retainer I put up for my attorney.
I mean, seriously take a look at the men who get busted. Are they an ugly dumb looking bunch or what? There is a reason for this. They don't use their heads and will always be risking your freedom and theirs because they are not smart enough to read the laws, and learn them.
I know cops have been known to use an undercover to go in and go through with the date and in the event that you do meet someone and finish the act, he leaves and you don't know he is working for the cops. Be careful what you say to anyone. Later in court your attorney can ask this person who is being used as a witness against you, if you took the cash in your hand or if he left it somewhere. To prove intent to receive cash in exchange they have to prove you received it and cops WILL SHOVE IT IN YOUR HAND without you noticing they have done this. If it's in your hand, ask any girl whose ever gotten busted. Once you have taken their bait, they will bust you. Never speak OUT LOUD where you want the money put if it's handed to you. Point, mouth without words. NEVER say out loud, PUT THE MONEY ON THE TABLE as you have just given instructions that will get you arrested. I once had a man try to shove cash in my hand, I dropped it on the floor, spoke out loud, " Look you dropped your money, let me pick it up and put it here FOR YOU". This is just smart business. Pick up the cash you dropped, and put it on the table and make sure he responds even if you have to ask him if that's OK. Get an answer from him before you continue.
Once the money is in place, you can talk about anything you want without risk, provided you don't mix the content of money and sex.
The best way I know and love is to keep a candy jar, with real candy in it and sell them a snickers for 300 bucks. There is nothing illegal about selling a piece of candy. How you sell it can make the difference.
The laws pertaining to prostitution can be found here [url]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0796/ch0796.htm[/url] Chapter 796 is worth reading for anyone who takes part in this lifestyle. If you don't read them for yourself, you are a fool.
How many people know it's ILLEGAL to rent a place that you will use for the purpose of prostitution?
How many people know that "body rub" is considered massage in the law? The issue of massage: BODY RUB is not a term that will keep you out of trouble, read this.
(d) "Unlicensed massage establishment" means any business or enterprise that offers, sells, or provides, or that holds itself out as offering, selling, or providing, massages that include bathing, physical massage, rubbing, kneading, anointing, stroking, manipulating, or other tactile stimulation of the human body by either male or female employees or attendants, by hand or by any electrical or mechanical device, on or off the premises. The term "unlicensed massage establishment" does not include an establishment licensed under s. 480.043 which routinely provides medical services by state-licensed health care practitioners and massage therapists licensed under s. 480.041.
How many people know that their spouses can be arrested for Deriving support from the proceeds of prostitution. If your partner knows what you do and gains support from your criminal behavior, they can be arrested and charged with a third degree felony.
How many people know that it's illegal to transport a prostitute to a location where she will be engaging in sexual acts for money? YUP if you drive her, and you know what she is doing you can be charged.
Did you know that any person who is convicted of prostitution must undergo by law std testing before being released from probation or jail? Read the laws, know what you are up against and do the right thing mongers and stop asking for or promoting women who give BBBJ because all you are promoting is STD! You guys think you are safe, because she only gave you oral, but what about the risk of blood in her mouth or exchange of someone elses fluids before you shoved yours in there. HUGE risk here that men really need to rethink and stop promoting. Women who offer safe play should be ranked higher but in this industry women who do unsafe things are given higher ranks and I want to know why.
Another chapter that should be read is Chapter 847 [url]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0847/ch0847.htm[/url]
I get so annoyed when I see bad advice given. I don't profess to know the laws but I do read them and do my part in protecting myself even if it means I can't meet you because you are just not smart enough for me to risk it.
Feel free to message me if you want to discuss this more. This is a topic I enjoy because It's rare to see a man give another man real advice and for the most part, the advice given is putting them in more danger. Asking a woman for a FULL NUDE photo will PROVE INTENT in a court of law. Telling her that you think she is a cop will PROVE your worried about cops due to your own agenda and intent. Don't keep playing the fool and taking bad advice. Read the Laws for yourself!
[QUOTE=J Melbourne27]Where's the thread on Josh? It's not indexed on the Tampa page.[/QUOTE]Called TampaReviewer/GFE Reviewer's Scam
[QUOTE=J Melbourne27]Where's the thread on Josh? It's not indexed on the Tampa page.[/QUOTE]TampaReviewer / GFEReviewer's Scam
[QUOTE=TampaDave]She is not newborn, or even new to Tampa. She was posting on CL about a year ago. She posted some older pics and I recognized the one where she is wearing a pink bikini. Her hair is different now too.
I forget what name she was using, but it might have been Heaven. I remember a number of complaints that she was upsell and occasionally cash and dash.
If someone decides to TOFTT, I suggest you keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]Didn't mean to say that she was "newborn". What I meant is that Nevaeh is a name that parents are naming "their newborn female babies". It's becoming quite a popular name.
[QUOTE=Tampabbw]I bet he will have to slow his roll now. [url]http://www.newsweek.com/id/167888[/url] SO craigs list teams up with law enforcement and now charges 5 bucks per ad? LMAO this is gonna make a whole lot of people cry and starve!
Oh well, sorry about their luck. I can't wait to see where everyone moves their business to.
All good things, get exploited by losers like josh but if you pray long and hard enough you can watch this happen and then everyone gets screwed. I'm glad because this will put a serious dent in his game of trying to control cl and he won't be paying 5 bucks, to slander women~
Wonder where he and the rest of you cl mongers will go now.
Lafing this makes my job so much easier![/QUOTE]I don't quite get how this hurts her enemy Josh so much as it does ALL the providers who advertise on CL, whether they are one of "Josh's Girls" or not, as well as all the hobbyists who utilize CL to find those girls. And I don't see how something that makes all those innocent people "cry and starve" is something to laugh your ass off about. After all, I didn't see anywhere how they've changed their FLAGGING policies which is alledgedly Josh's primary tool for harming the provider's who don't play along with him, but had also been a huge problem there long before he ever came along. In fact, it is the problem of excessive flagging in general that has largely done in CL as a useful resource rather than they're starting to charge for ads. Sure guys won't be able to so easily post reviews (positive or negative) but the negative reviews usually get flagged down by the effected provider and her supporters (e.g. Josh) pretty quickly anyway and positive reviews get flagged down by either spurned hobbyists or competing interests (e.g. Josh) as well. Because ads don't stay up providers are forced to choose between spamming the site with multiple ads in the hope that some of them will stay up or on top (something they won't be able to so easily do at $5 a pop) or throwing their hands up in the air and turning instead to other advertising outlets to generate their business. A lot of providers have shifted to sites like Tampa Backpage even though it HAD cost more than CL when it was free. Now that CL charges $5 per ad, I think you'll be seeing a larger exodus.
I don't think there is really any sound reason for hobbyists or providers to celebrate the sad evolution of CL that COULD have been a valuable resource for our hobby.
BTW, I'm not sure what their policies were before but they also say that no nude photos are allowed nor are any explicit descriptions or even code words of sex acts such as BBBJ's, blowpops, gr33k etc. Advertisers are also not supposed to include text in their graphics as a means of getting around their filters. I guess that rules it 99.99% of those webcam ads which I always flag whenever I see them. My point is that if these were in effect before they were never seriously enforced and they don't seem to be seriously enforced even now. Is this policy change and cooperation with LEO just the first step in a process that will increasingly crack down on erotic service advertising on CL in general? Have we seen the heydey of CL being a primary resource for our hobby?
[QUOTE=Chase Star] Is this policy change and cooperation with LEO just the first step in a process that will increasingly crack down on erotic service advertising on CL in general? Have we seen the heydey of CL being a primary resource for our hobby?[/QUOTE]Craigslist has had the personals section on their site for some time and added the erotic board around Oct 29th of 2002.
Women who post there now, in my opinion, are putting themselves at great risk, because the entire point is for craigslist to make it easier for police officers to get the billing information of the poster or person behind the ad. What better way to take down pimps and escorts, than to have them connected with an actual ad through credit card reciepts. What better way to keep an eye on women who are dumb enough to use their personal information to make a 5 dollar post there. The whole point of this is. To make sure the the truth about how craigslist built their site on the backs of hookers never becomes public. They get their PR, Public Relations person to smile, and make all nice to the cops but the truth is, if CL's traffic did not come from the erotic and personals section, there would be no craigs list. If they remove the erotic section. Their site would be history and they are smart enough to pay attention to stats to know this is a fact!
They benefit from the extra 5 bucks but you can still flag the ads. Just the fact, that they allow people to pay for ads that are a violation of their tos shows this.
I will still use CL as a resource, I just won't be poting in erotic. If you men are smart, you won't be playing there, as those women who post with or without knowledge are putting you all at risk! It only takes the cops to take down one girl, before the domino effect happens and your life go up with them. Ask Chase Star, I'm sure he can give you plenty of information about men who have been taken down by hookers and their habits. I will let him elaborate. (since he hangs on to my every word)
I spoke to one girl who was busted and questioned for six hours, she claims to have stood her ground and not given out much information. How many women do you think could endure six hours of questions from cops threatening to throw the book at them?
Think before you. Touch it! There is NO DOUBT in my mind what-so-ever that the asshole who runs polk county will be the first to collect the data! Dateline will be second! Their "to catch a preditor" sting is getting old and they will need to up their game and renew their ratings soon.