The Prickyard

[QUOTE=Waggz;3021687]The last time I met her I felt bad for her, but she said come by FS, I said ok I got the 80, came by, was let in everything normal like always but this time she seemed out of it, I've only had sex was with her, this time she was full of excuses. Told me no she wasn't having sex, that she was sore from hospital visits etc. I was like ok whatever, this is after I gave money and was pretty much denied, wasn't even there a full hh, couldn't get a BJ, nothing, I was promised an hr and half for free, which sounded good. But I should of learned from a previous time to not trust her, this time it's on me for being a jack ass. I will not go back again, I've cut ties. I told her I'm leaving a review and she threatens me about it. Would stay away if I wear you. I have her texts saved of all the crap she gave me over trying to get that hr in. Everything she put a new post up is when I knew she should be able to answer phone calls or texts. But this is one I would steer clear of, overall I'm out 240 from her from 2 different sessions. Out of the 5. 2 where bad news. Oh there's also the threat if you push her or try to get her to engage in sex she will call her broinlaw / pimp into the room.[/QUOTE]I have no idea whether or not this is an accurate review. The only part that concerns me is the last part.

Several people have talked about the importance of communication. If you hand over the money, before finding out what is on the table, you're the one who messed up, especially if you're dealing with a BP advertiser.

Now here's the really important part. If you fucked up by handing over the donation before finding out that FS is not being offered, then you are out of luck. You don't try to force something out of her. If you do, then you deserve to have your ass kicked by a pimp.

Maybe she started her period unexpectedly. Maybe she isn't feeling well. Maybe she really is sore or has some open sores. Whatever her reason, if your response is to make threats, you're nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3023375]Don't forget your SPF! FF goes to Walmart on third shift and rempties Coopertone bottles and fills them with Jergins![/QUOTE]I knew this would finally come out, Lance you caught me. What you didn't show and failed to read is the back of the bottles where all 5 of them are manufactured by FF Industries. There is no SPF in those bottles. They are rich in coconut oils and all types of ingredients that help pale skinned ladies get a nice light even burn on their wonderful skin. A few hours in the sun with these products specifically produced by my cosmetic company will make even the freckleless ladies pop out in wonderful angel kisses.

That's funny shit! I don't care who you are!

BG,

P.S. I can see him doing that! He is the Freckle, Sick, Freak!

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3023375]Don't forget your SPF! FF goes to Walmart on third shift and rempties Coopertone bottles and fills them with Jergins![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3024133]I knew this would finally come out, Lance you caught me. What you didn't show and failed to read is the back of the bottles where all 5 of them are manufactured by FF Industries. There is no SPF in those bottles. They are rich in coconut oils and all types of ingredients that help pale skinned ladies get a nice light even burn on their wonderful skin. A few hours in the sun with these products specifically produced by my cosmetic company will make even the freckleless ladies pop out in wonderful angel kisses.[/QUOTE]Now we know what you do with all your free time and why you use shamwows instead of kleenex to clean up. Don't want to waste any of your "ingrediants"!

A hand that isn't good enough for even a reach around?

I just came by for a short, to hear old friends! Thanks.

BG,

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3022111]I have seen your right hand and it's not even close to being worth a $, more like 50 cents! Ok, more than that, it does pay for beer sometimes.[/QUOTE]

This girl has her head together, Sasha you ROCK!

P.S., she has freckles.

BG,

[QUOTE=SashaDear;3017544]I've never seen or even spoken to this guy before. But I do not think it is too much to ask for the things I am spending tons of money on for you guys to be replaced in exchange for a few bucks off your session. Especially when you guys are the ones using all of those products and making a mess in my bathroom and not cleaning up after yourselves, leaving me to clean your mess and go spend tons of money on all of these products for you guys. I also have other items on my wishlist not related to the things you guys use, because there are several gentlemen that like to give ladies gifts. Instead of making them guess what I might like, a wishlist is an easy way for a gentleman to get a lady a gift that he knows she will like. It's respect and common courtesy. If you don't like the things a lady has on her wishlist, and don't like her asking to have replaced the products she spends her money on for you, then find another provider who won't accept any gifts. And good luck with that, because everyone likes gifts. I'm just offering to take the price off your session instead of asking for free gifts on top of the session and on top of buying these things for you and cleaning up after your mess.[/QUOTE]

As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.





Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I would not, not knowing who you are talking about it is always a risk if you have had issues with someone. Move on to another lady who appreciates you.

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]My initial thought is yes because I always like to give the lady a chance to redeem themselves and it is their livelihood that has been impacted. Believe it or not there are enough members of the local hobby who read this board, that may or may not be members of the board, that can seriously impact a providers business by letting others know that they have done them and others wrong in some manner. She obviously has felt the impact or she wouldn't have reached out to you. Here is were the problem lies.

It seldom does any good to reach out and see if they can find someway to right the wrong. Examples are Sexyred, Star Baby, Lisa etc. It really depends on the character of the individual and the character of the ones I mentioned is, well to say it the best way, they have no character only their selfishness and fuck you attitude.

So for the sake of being a good person and being a better person than her and showing compassion my answer would be Yes. Just be aware that it may not stop her actions but at least you can say you tried. That sometimes is worth the price of admission.

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]It seems clear from your post that you don't want to resolve this. If you don't want to lay this to rest, then why meet with her?

However, you will be forfeiting the right to complain about her past actions. She's offered to try and fix this. Either you meet with her, with the sincere intent of finding a mutually acceptable resolution, or you drop the subject.

Unless she says something completely unreasonable (assuming you meet her in public), she wins either way. No matter what, your bad experience has to be buried and forgotten.

Thank you to everyone for their I put on this topic. I have decided to not meet with the provider. I will now be letting this issue go, chalking up my financial loss to a hard lesson learned.

Good luck to all and play safe.

S5.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3032077]It seems clear from your post that you don't want to resolve this. If you don't want to lay this to rest, then why meet with her?

However, you will be forfeiting the right to complain about her past actions. She's offered to try and fix this. Either you meet with her, with the sincere intent of finding a mutually acceptable resolution, or you drop the subject.

Unless she says something completely unreasonable (assuming you meet her in public), she wins either way. No matter what, your bad experience has to be buried and forgotten.[/QUOTE]I don't post much, don't know the provider in question, and I'm not even hobbying anymore. I'm here more for curiosity than anything else. But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now? He doesn't want to see her again regardless of anything she does to make it right. He was wronged and nothing actually "changes" that. Her offer to meet, as he said, had no offer of actual restitution, just to work it out. He has a right to be suspicious, and she still has the history of being sketchy and dishonest. Period. Is there really a long term case of someone changing her stripes on here? I can't think of one. Some cases of a provider being "better" for a time, then back to their old ways is all I've ever seen. Have faith all you want, but as long as the history is there and known, hobbyists are better off for the warning.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3032346]I don't post much, don't know the provider in question, and I'm not even hobbying anymore. I'm here more for curiosity than anything else. But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now? He doesn't want to see her again regardless of anything she does to make it right. He was wronged and nothing actually "changes" that. Her offer to meet, as he said, had no offer of actual restitution, just to work it out. He has a right to be suspicious, and she still has the history of being sketchy and dishonest. Period. Is there really a long term case of someone changing her stripes on here? I can't think of one. Some cases of a provider being "better" for a time, then back to their old ways is all I've ever seen. Have faith all you want, but as long as the history is there and known, hobbyists are better off for the warning.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you're getting all of that. He's seen her in the past. How is meeting in a public place going to reveal his real identity? All it does is connect the face to the online handle. Is he worried she's going to wrestle his wallet away from him in Arby's? From his post he didn't indicate any worry about a set up. He just stated he doesn't see the point.

The point is, there was some kind of disagreement. Apparently, 1 or more times she asked him, apparently a regular, to advance her money for the next session, but never provided the prepaid session.

[B]1. You don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.

2. It doesn't matter what is promised, you should not expect to receive it, because you don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.

3. If the provider really, really needs the money, either give it to her knowing you will never get it back, or go back to rule #1.[/B]

Some people don't understand this and then they get upset when they advance money to a provider and she forgets about the debt.

The provider in question has asked to try to resolve this. For all you or he knows, she really wants to make it right. Sure we can all assume that she won't change her ways, or make good on the debt, but you can't continue to trash the person without sitting down with her and hearing her out.

He fucked up. He made the first mistake. His mistake enabled her to fuck up. All he had to do was say, "I don't have the money for that. Sorry. " Maybe she intended to honor the debt and forgot. Maybe she forgot who she owed the debt to. Maybe she never intended to honor it, but wants to stop the negative publicity.

Regardless of why, she has said, "let's sit down and work this out. " If he's not willing to let her try to pay him back, he can't continue to complain about her not paying him back.

Is that so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.
If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3032346]But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3032455]Not sure where you're getting all of that. He's seen her in the past. How is meeting in a public place going to reveal his real identity? All it does is connect the face to the online handle.
The point is, there was some kind of disagreement. Apparently, 1 or more times she asked him, apparently a regular, to advance her money for the next session, but never provided the prepaid session.

[B]1. You don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.[/B]

He fucked up. He made the first mistake. His mistake enabled her to fuck up. Regardless of why, she has said, "let's sit down and work this out. " If he's not willing to let her try to pay him back, he can't continue to complain about her not paying him back. Is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE]She really doesn't know him as he indicated in his original post. Only a handle on the board and a phone number for contact. Once she meets him and puts a handle, face, phone number and circumstances discussed during the meeting together she may go back to her memory and notes and be able to fill in the blanks and know his true identity. Yes many long term providers have notes about mongers if you don't think they do then check what you are smoking. Let's say he is one of the unlucky hobbyists that charged services on a CC and then she upped the charges and added more later. Does the CC have a real name and the meeting helps her to remember? Let's say she has a friend follow him after he leaves the public establishment, it's happened. To many possible surprises. So there is some type of risk in meeting her.

In regards to giving money in in advance to a provider, never, for no reason. I have seen three mongers post this on the board and the advice is sound. However a high percentage of mongers have given financial advances in one way or another if they truly believe the provider will return the favor with services or actual repayment. This is especially true if the monger has a good relationship with the provider, or should I say, [B]THINKS[/B] there is a good relationship with the provider. I have won and lost in regards to [B]THINKING[/B] my relationship with the provider was sound. I guess you can say I have Fucked Up because I have lost more $ than I have won. That's because my heart was thinking and not my big head and hindsight is like a bad horror movie.

If she is going to make restitution with him, then she needs to make restitution to all those that she scammed money from including the provider who paid for the photo shoot and hotel and never was reimbursed for KC's portion. If a provider is harmed in any way by another provider then I think it's the same as a monger hurting a provider or vice versa. It's just plain and simply wrong. His warnings are valid and he has the right to say them even if he doesn't meet her. She made the final choice to scam him after he fucked up and advanced her money. Life is full of choices and she made a bad choice last and she has to live with it.

KC's history is poor as a lendee, so like I said in my original post, treat her just like any other BP provider, pay for the service and don't give her any financial advances or CC's. She's probably not all bad, just not trustworthy.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3032885]She really doesn't know him as he indicated in his original post. Only a handle on the board and a phone number for contact. Once she meets him and puts a handle, face, phone number and circumstances discussed during the meeting together she may go back to her memory and notes and be able to fill in the blanks and know his true identity. Yes many long term providers have notes about mongers if you don't think they do then check what you are smoking. Let's say he is one of the unlucky hobbyists that charged services on a CC and then she upped the charges and added more later. Does the CC have a real name and the meeting helps her to remember? Let's say she has a friend follow him after he leaves the public establishment, it's happened. To many possible surprises. So there is some type of risk in meeting her.[/QUOTE]As for the risk of meeting her, sure. I would say it's a lot less than the risk of meeting anyone for a session, but it could happen. The question is, is it worth it to a long time provider to send someone after him, or to launch some attack? Probably not. She appears to want to salvage a tarnished reputation. She can't take any action without making things worse.

[QUOTE]In regards to giving money in in advance to a provider, never, for no reason. I have seen three mongers post this on the board and the advice is sound. However a high percentage of mongers have given financial advances in one way or another if they truly believe the provider will return the favor with services or actual repayment. This is especially true if the monger has a good relationship with the provider, or should I say, [B]THINKS[/B] there is a good relationship with the provider. I have won and lost in regards to [B]THINKING[/B] my relationship with the provider was sound. I guess you can say I have Fucked Up because I have lost more $ than I have won. That's because my heart was thinking and not my big head and hindsight is like a bad horror movie.[/QUOTE]Here is the error: Believing the provider will return the favor with services or repayment.

Most mongers have a minimal relationship with providers. Even a regular, unless it's a SD / SB arrangement, it's just a little bit of time, alone with her. Do you hang out with her friends and relatives, go to movies or out to dinner with her, or spend 8 or 10 hours a week, hanging out and talking? Usually the answers are all "no. " It's a few texts or calls for setup, meet, chat, fuck, clean up, chat and leave. Nothing in that exchange is useful to decide if she's a good credit risk.

The fuck up isn't in giving the money. The fuck up is expecting to get the money back. Flip it. How many providers will give a free session on the promise to get paid double next time? How many drug dealers give their product away and say "you can pay me double next time?" Think the casino will float you $500, unsecured, until payday?

Loaning a provider money is a bad decision. Expecting a good outcome from a bad decision is faulty thinking.

[QUOTE]If she is going to make restitution with him, then she needs to make restitution to all those that she scammed money from including the provider who paid for the photo shoot and hotel and never was reimbursed for KC's portion. If a provider is harmed in any way by another provider then I think it's the same as a monger hurting a provider or vice versa. It's just plain and simply wrong. His warnings are valid and he has the right to say them even if he doesn't meet her. She made the final choice to scam him after he fucked up and advanced her money. Life is full of choices and she made a bad choice last and she has to live with it.[/QUOTE]Every person who has been wronged by her has the option to seek their own settlement. Some probably wrote it off long ago. If this has been going on for years there are probably some who are beyond restitution. Showing up 3 years after the funeral and offering someone in the family a free session, isn't likely to go over well. Others have moved away, changed numbers, etc. Restitution for all isn't a possibility.

Several years ago a "friend" called, desperately needing $60. He had a good story and promised to repay me in 3 days. I gave him the money.

Note the word I used, "gave. " My decision wasn't whether he was a good loan risk, I'm not a bank, not an insurance company. My decision was, could I afford to lose that money?

It turned out as expected and I got even more than I expected. No, I never got a penny back, but I got a few really creative stories about why the 3 days had turned into 3 weeks and then 3 months. As an added bonus it removed a whining addict from my life. I never asked him for the money and if I ran into him tomorrow I wouldn't bring it up. However, when a mutual friend brought up a related issue about the guy, I shared my experience (he was a slow learner, he was out about $500).

If the guy reached out to me and offered to meet to discuss the issue, that offer has to become part of the story. If his name ever pops up in conversation again, I can't leave the fact of the offer out of my story. Did I go? If so, what was the offer? Did he follow through? Do I think he has changed?

While I don't believe people are going to change, I do believe in honesty. Which means I believe his story has to change from "I advanced her money and she never followed through", to "I advanced her money and she never followed through. However, after I posted about it she offered to meet and work it out, but I refused. ".

[QUOTE]KC's history is poor as a lendee, so like I said in my original post, treat her just like any other BP provider, pay for the service and don't give her any financial advances or CC's. She's probably not all bad, just not trustworthy.[/QUOTE]That's the advice everyone needs.