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Drove by about 10:30 and the lights were on and the front door blind or what ever was gone. It was weird the front of place is always dark at night.
May be decorating or something was going to take a peek, but LEO was down the street at the funeral home and was faced in that direction.
Did there get closed down or go out of business. Was there once a bit late and seemed to be rushed and get a bit shorted on time.
[QUOTE=Top Floor;1590488]Salem St. Malden.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jon Gris; 1590613]Saw this place and had some time so gave it a shot. Called up and the girl on the phone sounded nice so over I went. I get there check in and there is a nice skinny girl on the desk and I'm thinking ok this is looking good I get into the room get settled and in comes girl at the desks grandma I graciously requested girl at the desk and got the NO NO She Buzy. On the table asked granny to focus on my lower back to no avail. I pressed on for the hour got the hot towel clean up and was on my way on way out was given a card and a bottle of water and got the "tip" teep" tip" shakedown to which I didn't bite. I think I will cross this off my list. I am not having good luck with Needham or Newton and will probably not try any of these places again unless I hear something postive from the board.
[url]http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/thp/3392761095.html[/url][/QUOTE]Yes Jon this is the place on Brook and the hot young one is Vicky. I walked my first time there when I was offered one of the grannies and in a humorous moment Vicky came out after me in the parking lot. Said it was Granny #1's turn and suggested I return which I, unfortunately, did. Long story short, PW jr felt like the boy in the plastic bubble, isolated and alienated. Nothing worse than having some hot young thing massage you and having no chance at happiness.
I have received multiple pm's from gentlemen whose experience was similar to mine. If anyone has had any luck with Vicky please post it or pm.
Went to Ninja Spa in Quincy a couple of days ago after reading some of your posts and can't wait to go back again. Michelle let me in and was very attractive and has a happy, warm personality. The office and room were clean and well decorated. She gave me an amazing back massage of varying intensities and started teasing as she moved lower, slowly massaging my thighs and my back again and everywhere in between. Then she took a warm towel and gently wiped off the oil and had me turn over. Then more teasing as she knew just what to do and was taking her time to make sure I enjoyed the whole experience. Wow! Talk about a thorough, high quality massage without being rushed. Those of you who recommended Ninja were right on.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Pw Herman; 1592147]Yes Jon this is the place on Brook and the hot young one is Vicky. I walked my first time there when I was offered one of the grannies and in a humorous moment Vicky came out after me in the parking lot. Said it was Granny #1's turn and suggested I return which I, unfortunately, did. Long story short, PW jr felt like the boy in the plastic bubble, isolated and alienated. Nothing worse than having some hot young thing massage you and having no chance at happiness.
I have received multiple pm's from gentlemen whose experience was similar to mine. If anyone has had any luck with Vicky please post it or pm.[/QUOTE]Vicky is a nice lady and gives a good massage.
I didn't go back for a 2nd visit. My "jr" has seen enough of my hand, with the AMP scene in Providence now falling off the face of the earth.
Wonder if that its how it is scripted?
Sounds like a trend is going on out there at this place with the deja vu.
Peace out
Stopped by Hong Kong Weymouth, second time around. Music is different from average AMP. Massage started with neck and then down to lower back. Little teasing. Used elbow and forerarm. On the flip jr was at a flagpole, arm and body brushed up against jr a few times and she knew exacty what to do. Otc top and bottom. Some utc on top. Got the job done and left happy. I think with a few more returns will allow more access.
[QUOTE=Pw Herman; 1592147]Yes Jon this is the place on Brook and the hot young one is Vicky. I walked my first time there when I was offered one of the grannies and in a humorous moment Vicky came out after me in the parking lot. Said it was Granny #1's turn and suggested I return which I, unfortunately, did. Long story short, PW jr felt like the boy in the plastic bubble, isolated and alienated. Nothing worse than having some hot young thing massage you and having no chance at happiness.
I have received multiple pm's from gentlemen whose experience was similar to mine. If anyone has had any luck with Vicky please post it or pm.[/QUOTE]I had been to season once before a few months ago and received the same deception. After this I decided to try once more. Walked in the door and had older woman ask how long, while noticing Vicky behind her. I said one hour but asked who was available before handing over money. The older woman pointed at Vicky and Vicky smiled and walked me in the room. For some reason I was still skeptical, but Vicky was the one who came back in. Quick review. No HE this time but potential.
She draped the towel and started warm up while straddling me on the table. Once she got the oil, and waaaay too much I might add, I asked for the towel to come off. She does not understand English too well, but complied and removed towel. The back massage was ok, but I noticed halfway through she was against my hand, so I started roaming up and down her legs without her flinching. When she finished my back she put my arms on the table for an arm massage (foreshadowing). She then moved to my legs, and this provided additional signs. When she had her hands near my ass she'd massage down and make sure to rub my boys. I thought accidental at first, so then started lifting my ass and she kept doing it. Not much else other than this though.
The third sign was when she came back with the towel. She leaned against the table so her crotch was on my hand (still on the table). I started massaging her inner thighs and crotch with once again no flinch. She did the same on the other side. She then had me turn over and asked if I wanted the towel. I said no and she started with my face. She worked her way down then proceeded to massage my legs. I was at full attention now and sign four was her making full contact with my goods. She would numerous times press her hands and rub "my legs" but making sure to rub everything else. I started caressing her legs, ass, and under her flannel shirt (all OTC). Once again. No flinching. I then looked up and pointed at myself and asked her to help. She smiled, blushed a bit, then said no. I asked again and she said yes. Don't think she knew what she was agreeing to. I tried to place her hand on me and she said sorry, proceeded by a time is up. I once again asked and she thought I was asking for more time, while touching my leg and goods. I said no more time, but would she the next visit. She was so confused at this point she covered me and asked the older woman to come in. The older woman came and asked if I wanted more time. Sigh. So I said no I'm all set. Get this, the older woman then looks at me, still full attention, and smiles saying, are you finished. I said not really, but I guess so. She responded with a next time and thank you. Very odd ending, but I walked out with Vicky smiling and I believe blushing again. I feel there is potential, but may e someone else has had a similar experience with better results. Sorry for the long winded response, was just excited to share. Damage 60/20. Vicky has been described before, but I'd say she is mid to late 20s with a tight body and cute face. PM or post if you have better luck.
Visited 195 this week and was greeted by the 4th month of the year. She might be what some call a "butter face". Massage skills were average and body fortunately was much nicer than her face but the mos amazing part of all was her hummer skills. Started w / cover but then transitioned to BBBJ and eventualy to BBBJCIM. OMG her throat muscles were at work and gosh is she talented. AMAZING.
Not sure how long she'll be there til as they rotate.
Recovering lurker here, chiming in for the first time because I may have some useful data points.
I tried this place when it was new. To my surprise, I found the same two ladies (Vicky and Helen) who had previously been at 329 across town, a couple of years ago when the name of that place was different.
I had seen each a few times at 329. Both gave good massage. Helen's English is a bit challenged, and she's older (late 50s. More?) but Vicky, who's about 32 now, was easy to talk to compared to most AMP workers. I got to know her life story (at least the USA part) pretty well, and the conversations were always animated.
Both ladies gave off fairly clear indications that they were not R+T types; I chose to take them at their word. Maybe a mistake, maybe not, but in any case I liked them enough to not push the issue. It wasn't because I'm so noble that I wouldn't have gone for it had the signals been different.
I've now seen them each a couple more times at the new place. On one occasion, Helen told me that business had been slow, because "most men come for special massage. I am scared special massage. Don't want trouble." Another time Vicky heard some conversation through the wall, excused herself, and knocked on the door of the adjacent room, where Helen was working. There were some terse words exchanged. She returned wearing an exasperated look. Apparently the guy in the other room had been pushing hard for extras. Vicky had overheard (she was at the far end of the table, closer to the common wall than I was) and intervened to put the kabosh on the situation.
So it's hard to say what's afoot in the new venue. One possibility is that they are in fact bait-and-switching, using Vicky as the bait for return visits, and having her act frisky enough to entice folks into return visits, but ultimately not allowing much beyond either nothing at all, or the dreaded DIY. Another possibility is that she behaves differently with different customers, depending upon whether or not she might find them attractive enough to behave more suggestively (or even gratifyingly) than she has ever done with me. I'm not butt-ugly, but I am older than she is, and in any case I'd need to be pretty narcissistic to not entertain the possibility.
That having been said, there are a few factors that point towards less going on at the new shop, rather than more. For example, did anyone try the place when they briefly had an old guy working there? Holy shit! Helen sent him in to me to give him something to do one time while she was finishing the linen change in another room. Five free minutes, or whatever. I'm lying face down (or, more importantly, ass-up?) and in comes a dude who looks like he could be Helen's older brother. I'm not talking about some Thai shemale batwanger here. This was an undisguised, straight-up grandpa, about to lunge thumbs-first for my pale, hairy glutes. Talk about awkward. I told them I was all set. I don't think he lasted long.
Another less harrowing factor is that the two ladies have worked together for at least three years, and they look out for each other, and seem to observe a strictly non-competetive rotation with walk-ins (whoever's up next is up, so they earn equally.) They have also both recently become citizens. Vicky proudly showed me pictures of her ceremony during my second visit. So they may not want to risk legal trouble. When Vicky was at 329, she was taking classes at a local college, so she clearly has an eye towards life after bodywork. And although the other member engaged in some mutual touching, which is promising, her sudden loss of English skills at crunch time may be a bad sign. Her English is, if not fluent, very definitely functional. There is little doubt that after a few years in the massage game, she has learned both the words and gestures that we use to express how we want to spend the last 10-15 minutes of our hour.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe business has been slow, and word has come down from Corporate that it's time to up the ante. I hope so.
In any case, understand that I am not trying to discourage anybody from shooting for the stars (or at least the ceiling) at this shop. I would hate to hurt the business traffic at a clean place where there are two very nice ladies trying to scratch out a living. The out-of-the-way location is absolutely perfect for a true R+T (at least on weekends) and if it turns out to be one, it might actually last awhile, tucked away as it is from the prying eyes of complaint lodgers and moral crusaders.
I'll admittedly feel a little jealous if I find out that I've been too polite over the course of 8 or 9 visits spread over 5 years, but I'll get over it quickly if the rules have in fact changed. Even if they haven't, it's sometimes a good experience to just get a straight massage from someone you can actually engage in small talk without that blank, RCA Victor dog look that you get when a lady speaks absolutely no English. As long as you know going in that those are the rules. That's how I've treated the two places where V+H have worked.
To wrap up: If Vicky does stick with no, keep in mind that, small as she is, she is trained in martial arts. During one visit, she entertained me with a pretty hair-raising account of a street brawl she'd been in back in China, where she sent one of the young ladies who'd ganged up on her to the hospital,"bleeding out of her vagina."
Talk about the dreaded Kung-Fu grip.
[QUOTE=CyJim666; 1591961]I wanted to go there last week, but she already had an apt. Was going to try her help if the place is open on Angel's vacation.
Thanks, all and be safe![/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Angel's voicemail said that the store will be closed until the 23rd.
[QUOTE=TravisBooth; 1593021]Recovering lurker here, chiming in for the first time because I may have some useful data points.
I tried this place when it was new. To my surprise, I found the same two ladies (Vicky and Helen) who had previously been at 329 across town, a couple of years ago when the name of that place was different.
I had seen each a few times at 329. Both gave good massage. Helen's English is a bit challenged, and she's older (late 50s. More?) but Vicky, who's about 32 now, was easy to talk to compared to most AMP workers. I got to know her life story (at least the USA part) pretty well, and the conversations were always animated.
Both ladies gave off fairly clear indications that they were not R+T types; I chose to take them at their word. Maybe a mistake, maybe not, but in any case I liked them enough to not push the issue. It wasn't because I'm so noble that I wouldn't have gone for it had the signals been different.
I've now seen them each a couple more times at the new place. On one occasion, Helen told me that business had been slow, because "most men come for special massage. I am scared special massage. Don't want trouble." Another time Vicky heard some conversation through the wall, excused herself, and knocked on the door of the adjacent room, where Helen was working. There were some terse words exchanged. She returned wearing an exasperated look. Apparently the guy in the other room had been pushing hard for extras. Vicky had overheard (she was at the far end of the table, closer to the common wall than I was) and intervened to put the kabosh on the situation.
So it's hard to say what's afoot in the new venue. One possibility is that they are in fact bait-and-switching, using Vicky as the bait for return visits, and having her act frisky enough to entice folks into return visits, but ultimately not allowing much beyond either nothing at all, or the dreaded DIY. Another possibility is that she behaves differently with different customers, depending upon whether or not she might find them attractive enough to behave more suggestively (or even gratifyingly) than she has ever done with me. I'm not butt-ugly, but I am older than she is, and in any case I'd need to be pretty narcissistic to not entertain the possibility.
That having been said, there are a few factors that point towards less going on at the new shop, rather than more. For example, did anyone try the place when they briefly had an old guy working there? Holy shit! Helen sent him in to me to give him something to do one time while she was finishing the linen change in another room. Five free minutes, or whatever. I'm lying face down (or, more importantly, ass-up?) and in comes a dude who looks like he could be Helen's older brother. I'm not talking about some Thai shemale batwanger here. This was an undisguised, straight-up grandpa, about to lunge thumbs-first for my pale, hairy glutes. Talk about awkward. I told them I was all set. I don't think he lasted long.
Another less harrowing factor is that the two ladies have worked together for at least three years, and they look out for each other, and seem to observe a strictly non-competetive rotation with walk-ins (whoever's up next is up, so they earn equally.) They have also both recently become citizens. Vicky proudly showed me pictures of her ceremony during my second visit. So they may not want to risk legal trouble. When Vicky was at 329, she was taking classes at a local college, so she clearly has an eye towards life after bodywork. And although the other member engaged in some mutual touching, which is promising, her sudden loss of English skills at crunch time may be a bad sign. Her English is, if not fluent, very definitely functional. There is little doubt that after a few years in the massage game, she has learned both the words and gestures that we use to express how we want to spend the last 10-15 minutes of our hour.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe business has been slow, and word has come down from Corporate that it's time to up the ante. I hope so.
In any case, understand that I am not trying to discourage anybody from shooting for the stars (or at least the ceiling) at this shop. I would hate to hurt the business traffic at a clean place where there are two very nice ladies trying to scratch out a living. The out-of-the-way location is absolutely perfect for a true R+T (at least on weekends) and if it turns out to be one, it might actually last awhile, tucked away as it is from the prying eyes of complaint lodgers and moral crusaders.
I'll admittedly feel a little jealous if I find out that I've been too polite over the course of 8 or 9 visits spread over 5 years, but I'll get over it quickly if the rules have in fact changed. Even if they haven't, it's sometimes a good experience to just get a straight massage from someone you can actually engage in small talk without that blank, RCA Victor dog look that you get when a lady speaks absolutely no English. As long as you know going in that those are the rules. That's how I've treated the two places where V+H have worked.
To wrap up: If Vicky does stick with no, keep in mind that, small as she is, she is trained in martial arts. During one visit, she entertained me with a pretty hair-raising account of a street brawl she'd been in back in China, where she sent one of the young ladies who'd ganged up on her to the hospital,"bleeding out of her vagina."
Talk about the dreaded Kung-Fu grip.[/QUOTE]Okay Mark Twain. Which place are we talking about?
BB
Well written first post. Coherent and informative. While I wish you were reporting that Vicky can be corrupted, I certainly appreciate the information. I will also add that I can corroborate that many points, perhaps all, in Travis's report are accurate.
I hope you will participate here often and maybe the next report can be of a happier ending!
[QUOTE=TravisBooth; 1593021]Recovering lurker here, chiming in for the first time because I may have some useful data points.
I tried this place when it was new. To my surprise, I found the same two ladies (Vicky and Helen) who had previously been at 329 across town, a couple of years ago when the name of that place was different.
I had seen each a few times at 329. Both gave good massage. Helen's English is a bit challenged, and she's older (late 50s. More?) but Vicky, who's about 32 now, was easy to talk to compared to most AMP workers. I got to know her life story (at least the USA part) pretty well, and the conversations were always animated.
Both ladies gave off fairly clear indications that they were not R+T types; I chose to take them at their word. Maybe a mistake, maybe not, but in any case I liked them enough to not push the issue. It wasn't because I'm so noble that I wouldn't have gone for it had the signals been different.
I've now seen them each a couple more times at the new place. On one occasion, Helen told me that business had been slow, because "most men come for special massage. I am scared special massage. Don't want trouble." Another time Vicky heard some conversation through the wall, excused herself, and knocked on the door of the adjacent room, where Helen was working. There were some terse words exchanged. She returned wearing an exasperated look. Apparently the guy in the other room had been pushing hard for extras. Vicky had overheard (she was at the far end of the table, closer to the common wall than I was) and intervened to put the kabosh on the situation.
So it's hard to say what's afoot in the new venue. One possibility is that they are in fact bait-and-switching, using Vicky as the bait for return visits, and having her act frisky enough to entice folks into return visits, but ultimately not allowing much beyond either nothing at all, or the dreaded DIY. Another possibility is that she behaves differently with different customers, depending upon whether or not she might find them attractive enough to behave more suggestively (or even gratifyingly) than she has ever done with me. I'm not butt-ugly, but I am older than she is, and in any case I'd need to be pretty narcissistic to not entertain the possibility.
That having been said, there are a few factors that point towards less going on at the new shop, rather than more. For example, did anyone try the place when they briefly had an old guy working there? Holy shit! Helen sent him in to me to give him something to do one time while she was finishing the linen change in another room. Five free minutes, or whatever. I'm lying face down (or, more importantly, ass-up?) and in comes a dude who looks like he could be Helen's older brother. I'm not talking about some Thai shemale batwanger here. This was an undisguised, straight-up grandpa, about to lunge thumbs-first for my pale, hairy glutes. Talk about awkward. I told them I was all set. I don't think he lasted long.
Another less harrowing factor is that the two ladies have worked together for at least three years, and they look out for each other, and seem to observe a strictly non-competetive rotation with walk-ins (whoever's up next is up, so they earn equally.) They have also both recently become citizens. Vicky proudly showed me pictures of her ceremony during my second visit. So they may not want to risk legal trouble. When Vicky was at 329, she was taking classes at a local college, so she clearly has an eye towards life after bodywork. And although the other member engaged in some mutual touching, which is promising, her sudden loss of English skills at crunch time may be a bad sign. Her English is, if not fluent, very definitely functional. There is little doubt that after a few years in the massage game, she has learned both the words and gestures that we use to express how we want to spend the last 10-15 minutes of our hour.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe business has been slow, and word has come down from Corporate that it's time to up the ante. I hope so.
In any case, understand that I am not trying to discourage anybody from shooting for the stars (or at least the ceiling) at this shop. I would hate to hurt the business traffic at a clean place where there are two very nice ladies trying to scratch out a living. The out-of-the-way location is absolutely perfect for a true R+T (at least on weekends) and if it turns out to be one, it might actually last awhile, tucked away as it is from the prying eyes of complaint lodgers and moral crusaders.
I'll admittedly feel a little jealous if I find out that I've been too polite over the course of 8 or 9 visits spread over 5 years, but I'll get over it quickly if the rules have in fact changed. Even if they haven't, it's sometimes a good experience to just get a straight massage from someone you can actually engage in small talk without that blank, RCA Victor dog look that you get when a lady speaks absolutely no English. As long as you know going in that those are the rules. That's how I've treated the two places where V+H have worked.
To wrap up: If Vicky does stick with no, keep in mind that, small as she is, she is trained in martial arts. During one visit, she entertained me with a pretty hair-raising account of a street brawl she'd been in back in China, where she sent one of the young ladies who'd ganged up on her to the hospital,"bleeding out of her vagina."
Talk about the dreaded Kung-Fu grip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BaconBits; 1593102]Okay Mark Twain. Which place are we talking about?
BB[/QUOTE]BB, he is referring to the Vicky that I commented on earlier. Place is in Needham on Brook.
You say that Vicky used to work at 329. I will assume that this is in the same town on Chestnut. If that is correct, would you know if she used to wear trendy small glasses?
[QUOTE=TravisBooth; 1593021]Recovering lurker here, chiming in for the first time because I may have some useful data points.
I tried this place when it was new. To my surprise, I found the same two ladies (Vicky and Helen) who had previously been at 329 across town, a couple of years ago when the name of that place was different.
I had seen each a few times at 329. Both gave good massage. Helen's English is a bit challenged, and she's older (late 50s. More?) but Vicky, who's about 32 now, was easy to talk to compared to most AMP workers. I got to know her life story (at least the USA part) pretty well, and the conversations were always animated.
Both ladies gave off fairly clear indications that they were not R+T types; I chose to take them at their word. Maybe a mistake, maybe not, but in any case I liked them enough to not push the issue. It wasn't because I'm so noble that I wouldn't have gone for it had the signals been different.
I've now seen them each a couple more times at the new place. On one occasion, Helen told me that business had been slow, because "most men come for special massage. I am scared special massage. Don't want trouble." Another time Vicky heard some conversation through the wall, excused herself, and knocked on the door of the adjacent room, where Helen was working. There were some terse words exchanged. She returned wearing an exasperated look. Apparently the guy in the other room had been pushing hard for extras. Vicky had overheard (she was at the far end of the table, closer to the common wall than I was) and intervened to put the kabosh on the situation.
So it's hard to say what's afoot in the new venue. One possibility is that they are in fact bait-and-switching, using Vicky as the bait for return visits, and having her act frisky enough to entice folks into return visits, but ultimately not allowing much beyond either nothing at all, or the dreaded DIY. Another possibility is that she behaves differently with different customers, depending upon whether or not she might find them attractive enough to behave more suggestively (or even gratifyingly) than she has ever done with me. I'm not butt-ugly, but I am older than she is, and in any case I'd need to be pretty narcissistic to not entertain the possibility.
That having been said, there are a few factors that point towards less going on at the new shop, rather than more. For example, did anyone try the place when they briefly had an old guy working there? Holy shit! Helen sent him in to me to give him something to do one time while she was finishing the linen change in another room. Five free minutes, or whatever. I'm lying face down (or, more importantly, ass-up?) and in comes a dude who looks like he could be Helen's older brother. I'm not talking about some Thai shemale batwanger here. This was an undisguised, straight-up grandpa, about to lunge thumbs-first for my pale, hairy glutes. Talk about awkward. I told them I was all set. I don't think he lasted long.
Another less harrowing factor is that the two ladies have worked together for at least three years, and they look out for each other, and seem to observe a strictly non-competetive rotation with walk-ins (whoever's up next is up, so they earn equally.) They have also both recently become citizens. Vicky proudly showed me pictures of her ceremony during my second visit. So they may not want to risk legal trouble. When Vicky was at 329, she was taking classes at a local college, so she clearly has an eye towards life after bodywork. And although the other member engaged in some mutual touching, which is promising, her sudden loss of English skills at crunch time may be a bad sign. Her English is, if not fluent, very definitely functional. There is little doubt that after a few years in the massage game, she has learned both the words and gestures that we use to express how we want to spend the last 10-15 minutes of our hour.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe business has been slow, and word has come down from Corporate that it's time to up the ante. I hope so.
In any case, understand that I am not trying to discourage anybody from shooting for the stars (or at least the ceiling) at this shop. I would hate to hurt the business traffic at a clean place where there are two very nice ladies trying to scratch out a living. The out-of-the-way location is absolutely perfect for a true R+T (at least on weekends) and if it turns out to be one, it might actually last awhile, tucked away as it is from the prying eyes of complaint lodgers and moral crusaders.
I'll admittedly feel a little jealous if I find out that I've been too polite over the course of 8 or 9 visits spread over 5 years, but I'll get over it quickly if the rules have in fact changed. Even if they haven't, it's sometimes a good experience to just get a straight massage from someone you can actually engage in small talk without that blank, RCA Victor dog look that you get when a lady speaks absolutely no English. As long as you know going in that those are the rules. That's how I've treated the two places where V+H have worked.
To wrap up: If Vicky does stick with no, keep in mind that, small as she is, she is trained in martial arts. During one visit, she entertained me with a pretty hair-raising account of a street brawl she'd been in back in China, where she sent one of the young ladies who'd ganged up on her to the hospital,"bleeding out of her vagina."
Talk about the dreaded Kung-Fu grip.[/QUOTE]
I might be in Malden today. I'll drive by and check it out.
[QUOTE=CyJim666; 1591969]Drove by about 10:30 and the lights were on and the front door blind or what ever was gone. It was weird the front of place is always dark at night.
May be decorating or something was going to take a peek, but LEO was down the street at the funeral home and was faced in that direction.
Did there get closed down or go out of business. Was there once a bit late and seemed to be rushed and get a bit shorted on time.[/QUOTE]
Very well written post by a newbie. Kept me entertained and in suspense. Much better than the latest John Grisham novel I've read.
Take note all you NOOB's. This is how it's done.
[QUOTE=TravisBooth; 1593021]Recovering lurker here, chiming in for the first time because I may have some useful data points.
I tried this place when it was new. To my surprise, I found the same two ladies (Vicky and Helen) who had previously been at 329 across town, a couple of years ago when the name of that place was different.
I had seen each a few times at 329. Both gave good massage. Helen's English is a bit challenged, and she's older (late 50s. More?) but Vicky, who's about 32 now, was easy to talk to compared to most AMP workers. I got to know her life story (at least the USA part) pretty well, and the conversations were always animated.
Both ladies gave off fairly clear indications that they were not R+T types; I chose to take them at their word. Maybe a mistake, maybe not, but in any case I liked them enough to not push the issue. It wasn't because I'm so noble that I wouldn't have gone for it had the signals been different.
I've now seen them each a couple more times at the new place. On one occasion, Helen told me that business had been slow, because "most men come for special massage. I am scared special massage. Don't want trouble." Another time Vicky heard some conversation through the wall, excused herself, and knocked on the door of the adjacent room, where Helen was working. There were some terse words exchanged. She returned wearing an exasperated look. Apparently the guy in the other room had been pushing hard for extras. Vicky had overheard (she was at the far end of the table, closer to the common wall than I was) and intervened to put the kabosh on the situation.
So it's hard to say what's afoot in the new venue. One possibility is that they are in fact bait-and-switching, using Vicky as the bait for return visits, and having her act frisky enough to entice folks into return visits, but ultimately not allowing much beyond either nothing at all, or the dreaded DIY. Another possibility is that she behaves differently with different customers, depending upon whether or not she might find them attractive enough to behave more suggestively (or even gratifyingly) than she has ever done with me. I'm not butt-ugly, but I am older than she is, and in any case I'd need to be pretty narcissistic to not entertain the possibility.
That having been said, there are a few factors that point towards less going on at the new shop, rather than more. For example, did anyone try the place when they briefly had an old guy working there? Holy shit! Helen sent him in to me to give him something to do one time while she was finishing the linen change in another room. Five free minutes, or whatever. I'm lying face down (or, more importantly, ass-up?) and in comes a dude who looks like he could be Helen's older brother. I'm not talking about some Thai shemale batwanger here. This was an undisguised, straight-up grandpa, about to lunge thumbs-first for my pale, hairy glutes. Talk about awkward. I told them I was all set. I don't think he lasted long.
Another less harrowing factor is that the two ladies have worked together for at least three years, and they look out for each other, and seem to observe a strictly non-competetive rotation with walk-ins (whoever's up next is up, so they earn equally.) They have also both recently become citizens. Vicky proudly showed me pictures of her ceremony during my second visit. So they may not want to risk legal trouble. When Vicky was at 329, she was taking classes at a local college, so she clearly has an eye towards life after bodywork. And although the other member engaged in some mutual touching, which is promising, her sudden loss of English skills at crunch time may be a bad sign. Her English is, if not fluent, very definitely functional. There is little doubt that after a few years in the massage game, she has learned both the words and gestures that we use to express how we want to spend the last 10-15 minutes of our hour.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe business has been slow, and word has come down from Corporate that it's time to up the ante. I hope so.
In any case, understand that I am not trying to discourage anybody from shooting for the stars (or at least the ceiling) at this shop. I would hate to hurt the business traffic at a clean place where there are two very nice ladies trying to scratch out a living. The out-of-the-way location is absolutely perfect for a true R+T (at least on weekends) and if it turns out to be one, it might actually last awhile, tucked away as it is from the prying eyes of complaint lodgers and moral crusaders.
I'll admittedly feel a little jealous if I find out that I've been too polite over the course of 8 or 9 visits spread over 5 years, but I'll get over it quickly if the rules have in fact changed. Even if they haven't, it's sometimes a good experience to just get a straight massage from someone you can actually engage in small talk without that blank, RCA Victor dog look that you get when a lady speaks absolutely no English. As long as you know going in that those are the rules. That's how I've treated the two places where V+H have worked.
To wrap up: If Vicky does stick with no, keep in mind that, small as she is, she is trained in martial arts. During one visit, she entertained me with a pretty hair-raising account of a street brawl she'd been in back in China, where she sent one of the young ladies who'd ganged up on her to the hospital,"bleeding out of her vagina."
Talk about the dreaded Kung-Fu grip.[/QUOTE]