"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2891264]I met a SB on match who was from the Ukraine and we dated and had protected sex. But one day she just jumped on me bareback. Not enough time for anything.

To happen but these types of women will use a kid to trap you. Be ware.[/QUOTE]I had one already pregnant (unknown to me), by my calculations about 8 weeks, tell me not to wrap it up. I did anyway & thank God I did. Based on FB stalkings she ended up trapping some other poor schmuck into being Daddy for someone else's kid. Beware is right.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2891167]Condoms are 18% effective because most people don't use them right. Hard to believe, but check the Planned Parenthood site. I've not been able to find numbers for their effectiveness when used correctly. I'm going to guess 99%.

The withdrawal method is 96% effective when used correctly, and 73% when not used correctly (planned parenthood site again). A big difference (and not to mention STD risks), and when baby is yelling cum in me daddy the big head has to be strong![/QUOTE]IF --you know your ejac pattern, which all of us do from years of beating off, pull out works if you don't have a fast stick -that is --you dribble and get a little pre-ejac cum before the 1st pulse. Younger men who are more excitable probably shouldn't rely on it. In my case, from the 1st ejac sensation it takes a full 5 seconds before a drop appears, so I have a very effective early warning sign, and can pull out effectively. It's fun to see how far you can shoot. Can you hit her face from down below? So fun! . When I time her cycle (and on the pill) I will let the big dog eat.

Interesting that in all of this discussion I have seen nothing about spermicide as a method one can keep in their gym bag or use as a way to be protective.

Many forms of it available from a film to an injected foam or cream to a "bullet" like suppository. The active ingredient, Nonoxynol-9, is something that condoms are often coated with.

I had a FWB girl many years ago that I later found out I was her first, we started with a hat and when I complained she found the spermicide. We used that for 9 months with success.

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So there are alternatives.

Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2892107]Interesting that in all of this discussion I have seen nothing about spermicide as a method one can keep in their gym bag or use as a way to be protective.

Many forms of it available from a film to an injected foam or cream to a "bullet" like suppository. The active ingredient, Nonoxynol-9, is something that condoms are often coated with.

I had a FWB girl many years ago that I later found out I was her first, we started with a hat and when I complained she found the spermicide. We used that for 9 months with success.

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So there are alternatives.[/QUOTE]Used that for about a year with my SB (we're divorced now) and had no issue. The key is to let it melt inside of her, but if you have a particularly long or 'energetic' session, consider reloading. Down side is that there will be no daty after it's inserted. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]If your going to cut it off then you answered your own question I think. If you want to see how committed she is then tell her that you can't continue the sugar in any amount. If she is committed she will still be there. If it was just the money she won't hang around long. As long as she's collecting a check you will never know for sure. They can put on a pretty good act when the money is good and reliable. Thats part of being a good sb, stroking that ego.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not to be a Debbie Downer but always remember one thing "these SB know what they are doing" and know what us guys like to hear. Especially older guys.

Who may not be hearing this enough and especially from young hot chicks. Always assume SB are just trying to get more money out of you and the best way to do that.

Is to make it look like this is more than an arrangement. Honestly, the best way to find out is to talk about it. If she wants to be exclusive then she needs to tell you.

Remember, they call this an arrangement for a reason. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]I say go for it and get into the exclusive GF talks. It sounds like she's all for it. I did the same and it was a great time. A little less than a year my SB / SO fizzled out. A lot had to due with her being "young" and into her peer social scene. It was a good quality relationship and we're considering picking up where we left off. 20's girls go from cold to hot quickly, sometimes in an hour so be patient. Always try to stay solid and lead her. I find these girls are all looking for the right guidance. Be careful though. I glanced at my LTR SB's phone recently while we working out together. Her friend texted her "when are you getting married?" Yikes! Anyways, enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2892709]If your going to cut it off then you answered your own question I think. If you want to see how committed she is then tell her that you can't continue the sugar in any amount. If she is committed she will still be there. If it was just the money she won't hang around long. As long as she's collecting a check you will never know for sure. They can put on a pretty good act when the money is good and reliable. Thats part of being a good sb, stroking that ego.[/QUOTE]If you go LTR eventually the sugar will cut off or slow down dramatically. Initially my LTR SB was seeing cash when she saw me. I'd say after a few months it was more like normal dating. Sugar or gifting rarely came up after a few months in. Of course she had some perks like food and shelter, but it's much cheaper than pay-per-date or an "allowance" type of girl. At most my girl will ask for some spending cash if she's going out with friends.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2893171]If you go LTR eventually the sugar will cut off or slow down dramatically. Initially my LTR SB was seeing cash when she saw me. I'd say after a few months it was more like normal dating. Sugar or gifting rarely came up after a few months in. Of course she had some perks like food and shelter, but it's much cheaper than pay-per-date or an "allowance" type of girl. At most my girl will ask for some spending cash if she's going out with friends.[/QUOTE]Now your going in another direction. Once they move in and your providing food, shelter and spending cash they move into the gf catagory. Now if you are providing her the same but have different residency then she can still be considered a sb. Now the exception is if she is living with you and is awsre that your still seeing others then you could probably still lump her in the sb catagory.

Hi, I am based out of Charlotte and have always been using only BP until few weeks ago I signed up. By mistake I signed up as sugar baby, and it took me a hell lot to change my account type with SA. Finally I did, since why'day I have been using. I am over whelmed with responses. I travel to Raleigh and I see I get more open minded there but not in my base location. My situation in charlotte is, I do not have a place. I cannot take them to a restaurant or a date to set this up. I can meet only during week days and day time. In this situation, do you think I can still work things out and get some success? Please let me know how I can handle this. Pretty much everyone want me to host, or they say we can book a hotel. I cannot do that, as I need to give my I'd and as such. Would really appreciate any advise. Please feel free to PM me if you can. I would greatly appreciate it. I know am posting in VA forum, but I heard about this board, and its' highly active. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If there are any charlotte mongers in here, please PM me.

This probably will sound like a letter to the Penthouse Forum based on that title!

I'll spare you the labor pains of how I got to this point, but I have found a 20-year-old SB and her 41-year-old mom -- who is actually hotter thanks to some bolt ons but to be fair has a prettier face -- both on seeking arrangement.

The daughter had agreed to meet me last night but then flaked agreed to meet me today, and told me I would only get to fuck her once, so I passed.

Mom is meeting me in about an hour, I made it clear in my messaging to her over the past few weeks what I was interested in, so I'm hoping after a couple of drinks and an appetizer I will be seeing the back of her head from various angles.

I am pretty sure they have no idea about the other being on there -- if they did, I would think the mom would want to know where her daughter was going last night -- if nothing else for safety reasons.

Plus, Daughter has been on the site for 18 months, mom less than two months, though she announced today she was deactivating her account and did.

How wild would it have been to bang a mom and daughter on the same day, six hours apart?

[QUOTE=LoveHate;2893385] I do not have a place. I cannot take them to a restaurant or a date to set this up. I can meet only during week days and day time. [/QUOTE]I'm in the same boat.

initial meet and greets I have done over coffee or lunch -- plenty of discrete locations for something like that. Fortunately, work helps with this as I often hire 20 something females for my call center, so if I'm seen somewhere with an attractive young lady I can always say I was doing an initial interview -- panera and Starbucks and every coffeehouse are flooded with such business meetings - and I had no idea the candidate was so attractive, so obviously I wont be hiring her what was going through the motions of the courtesy of a proper interview.

For hotels, a couple of options have worked for me.

I own my own business, so I will book a hotel room on [URL]hotels.com[/URL]. If the wife ever came to the office and saw my business credit card statements I would just say it's for one of my employees elsewhere in the US since [URL]hotels.com[/URL] doesn't show the specific location on the transaction.

I don't worry so much about showing my I'd. The bigger risk, if any, is in running into someone I know in the hotel lobby might be there for a meeting or conference are visiting a friend who's in from out-of-town. I will than a much much much smaller market than Charlotte so this is a real possibility so I have to be sure to pick discreetly located hotels were no one will see my car in the parking lot. The hotel across from Sam's Club is perfect for this so I can park in the Sam's lot and walk over.

Getting early check ins is easy -- my favorite excuse is one of my colleagues is flying in for meeting and took the redeye and needs a place to change and freshen up.

Depending on your SB, and the younger they are the less they seem to care about their anonymity, is you book the hotel and their name. The only catch here, is even if you prepay the room on [URL]hotels.com[/URL], they usually ask for a credit card or debit card at check in to cover any quote incidental charges" this is less of a problem in the mid to lower scale properties that don't have room service or other things that end up on your room account, and they are set up to deal with the lower end of the economic scale and just block long distance calls pay-per-view and other billable items in your room.

My favorite is to play on pm am Double-header. Book the room after lunch, fuck for a few hours, and she can either go home and meet you again the next morning for another Fuck fest or you can line up a warning event with the second girl. Meet at nine you can usually get a check out at noon, bada bing, bad a boom, two rounds of fun for the price of one-at least on the hotel side. I have had some stay over and see them the next morning, but I make the two rounds and all-inclusive price for her tuition assistance grant. If I really like them or think they are worth the expenditure, I'll put them in a nicer hotel in a more happening part of town, and give them 50 bucks to go out and have dinner since I can't be with them.

Hope that helps.

About Move-In SBs.

Probably most of the SBs I meet eventually take the conversation down a road that, if not spotted quickly for what it is, seems to be feeling around for what my at-home situation is and whether living with me is an option. Sometimes it happens in text the first day and before the M&G, sometimes it happens after the first FC visit. But, sooner or later I find that most of these girls want to know if I'm a move-in candidate. Maybe they say "I'd love to see your place" or something similar, or maybe they just gush about wanting to visit the city I live in. Yeah well not while I have a live-in girlfriend they won't.

Housing is of course a sizeable expense, and depending on their city, rent and utilities in a decent place can easily run close to their total allowance expectation. Those that view sugaring as a business will probably see maximizing their income via multiple SDs as a better option than moving in with one they really like, so to some degree if I don't see them exhibit at least a few "move in" hints, I think they might be career SBs / UTR. College girls who live in a dorm may not even have moving in with you as an option so the subject never comes up, so of course there are exceptions to that rule.

I've met girls that have been "put up" by SDs (a paid apartment or maybe something like an extended stay room) as their primary residence, then all of a sudden SD moves on and they are left without ability to pay the rent or electric. The smarter ones are wise to that risk, and thus are looking to become a more permanent fixture in their SDs life. I actually see more of this than I did a year or two ago, girls that clarify not so much in their profile but in conversation they are looking for something similar to a real relationship and everything that goes with it (including the emotional support aspect. Holy shit where's the exit).

For me the choice is easy -- with no plan to leave my GF, I'm fairly straight up with them that I'm only available on an occasional basis, and that they should not seek emotional attachment. I have spent some amount of time thinking about what I would do if I were single. Good god would it be hard to go back to age-appropriate dating after this. What are the chances of finding someone my age that is hot enough to get my attention? I guess I would be sentenced to a lifetime of sugaring. I don't think I would want one of them to move in with me unless the conditions included the requirement for her to bring home a new, hot female stranger for both of us to play with once a week. I have the curse of the insatiable need for variety... she could be the hottest girl on the planet, but if she's an SB or former SB I don't think she'd really ever capture my heart, which means she's got a short shelf life with me. But then again, if I did this full-time I would have real world budget constraints, and then having a live-in SB that I could roll over on and fuck in the middle of the night might become more appealing.

I'm guilty of this too: looking at some of these young, firm students and wondering if my cock even deserves such tight, un-indoctrined to the rest of the world, pussy.

Don't underestimate the value of your own maturity as an aphrodisiac to them. Every now and then I put these SBs to the test as to why they should have a genuine interest in me beyond financial aspects, because they are young and hot and have so many pursuers.

Sometimes they send me actual screenshots of the shit these 18-22 year old dudes send them on their phones, or maybe they cut and paste their email (be careful of that if you ever use your real name by the way). And while I'm sure I'm sure they get some "good" messages they don't care to share, most of the time they are using this as evidence as to why they want to date someone up to their standard. Believe me if you saw the ridiculous attempts at getting pussy the average under 35 year old guy writes (and believe me I see a lot, they send me the transcripts) you would probably feel a lot better about your own intellect. Then there is facebook. What an incredible tool for the average SD. Some of these girls have these boyfriends or ex boyfriends that look like I could pick them up with one hand and shake them like a baby, but not the kind of baby I want. Some of these little twerps have more tattoo ink on their fucking bodies than dudes born in the 60's or prior have horny blood in their veins. No competition.

So just remember that as a mature SD you have a significant advantage when it comes to maturity and playing upon their psychology.