"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6285170]What is LC?[/QUOTE]Listcrawler. They own a few different sites (but all look like they use the same template) all used for escort classifieds.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6284932][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f2b8da9-5011-4dab-966b-efadbd984c0c[/URL] ElenaRP.

This one is closer to Athens, but the SB thread in Athens seems to be focused on UGA SBs (which makes sense) and I know a few of you are closer to Athens than Atlanta.

She's real, sent a verification pic. Negotiated down to 200, said she was open to "everything" though FS is CFS. Did confirm BBJ as well. However, she's too far from me to be a real possibility, and in my 4 days of having a sub back I've got so many potentials much closer I have no desire to chase someone this far out. Still if you're nearish Athens, take a shot. She doesn't have a car, and so you'll need to pick her up and take her whereever you go for your date. Good luck![/QUOTE]Bruh.

I hope you know that's NOT a female. Unless you're just into that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=KingHorama2;6285089]The last few days posts have been informative and entertaining, especially for a newbie to the game, such that I am.

I am learning a fair bit from this forum and trying to improve my game, but all I seem to be finding is ppm asking for 500+.

I wanted to try and get a sense of the senior and more experienced members journeys. I just turned 39 and my NW is just over 1 mil. I started sugaring because my schedule is too hectic to meet traditionally and go through the rigamaroll of regular dating.

What age, NW and reason got you into sugaring. How did you navigate early on when you started and what lessons did you learn. And lastly, how is anyone finding SB's that don't bring up money? Every interaction I've had has involved them bringing up arrangement, ppm, or allowance or some form of payment.[/QUOTE]I am past retirement age. I started in 2016. I had never heard of seeking or arrangements before then. I am not too into the escort idea, it seems fake, and I am all about real. I have a SO, but health issues mean no boom-boom. Sadly, not the sort of person to give me a hall pass, so I have to keep it on the DL. All of my SBs have helped w / this, getting the hotel rooms we FC in.

There are many many girls on SA who are really just under the radar escorts. There are some who are looking for something more. It is just a numbers game. You have to send out a bunch of messages on the site and spend a bunch of time courting them. And I mean that, like you would someone you were dating civi.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Granted, the main profile pic is a little sketchy, and 6'2" Hispanic is an Amazon, but I don't see even the hint of an Adam's apple.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6285316]Bruh.

I hope you know that's NOT a female. Unless you're just into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6284907]So, I apologize in advance if I'm wrong here. Your user name just looked super familiar, and I finally remembered why. Kids, gather round, I'm about to give you a demonstration on why you should never use the same user name on multiple sites ESPECIALLY on the pay to play site AND the site you post reviews on for those you pay to play.[/QUOTE]Standing ovation for this post LOL.

Why are there so many 18-20 yr old women on SA only wanting to sell pics. And that's just the real ones, not to mention the scammers. The number is too damn high!

/ rant.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6285316]Bruh.

I hope you know that's NOT a female. Unless you're just into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]I'm sure she was born a girl, but not your type clearly LOL, and that's ok. I usually just immediately block any trannies I see.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6284907]So, I apologize in advance if I'm wrong here. Your user name just looked super familiar, and I finally remembered why. Kids, gather round, I'm about to give you a demonstration on why you should never use the same user name on multiple sites ESPECIALLY on the pay to play site AND the site you post reviews on for those you pay to play.

A few months ago I was messaging this real cute blonde up in Atlanta, and we were chatting about the sugar game. She mentions that for the most part she felt like SDs were higher quality than the random dudes she'd find on Tinder, except sometimes you find guys like this: she then texted me the attached screenshots and said to me "Fuck this guy. What made him think I'd respond well to that?..I'm ripe fodder for doms that think they're too good to 'pay for sex'. I feel sorry for submissives that fall for that shit." Now, maybe it's a complete coincidence that this guys user name is the same as yours, and I apologize if I'm lumping you in with this guy if you're not him. But dude if any girl from SA Google's your user name and spells it out (and people will because that's often how I find these girls social media accounts, and I'm sure some of them are as good or better at this than I am) they will very easily find your posts here.

So lesson 1) Don't use the same screen name across platforms, even if you very cutely replace "too" with "2". This is the only place I use this name, no where else.

Lesson 2) Thanks to the way you (or this dude that is not you but just happens to have the same user name) approached this hottie, she jumped into my bed for cheaper than she otherwise would have because I wasn't a disrespectful douche. And for the record she was a fantastic lay, very submissive in the best way, but she was too far away for me to make her my regular. So selfishly thanks for being so bad at talking to women online they happily jumped into bed with me. However, the reason you're having to pay so much for "red carpet treatment" isn't because you're paying a premium. I promise I get the red carpet from most of these girls with my standard 200-300 arrangements. But you're basically paying an asshole tax. If you didn't approach them as indicated in these texts, you'd find you'd get "red carpet" experiences without the tax, and in fact I bet my next paycheck I actually get better experiences than you do while paying way less because my approach isn't. Whatever the fuck this is LOL. You do you, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're paying more for a better experience. You're paying more because you come off as a dick, and you're very likely not getting the best the girl has to offer. That's not to say you're not having a good time, you probably are, but I promise you've had some experiences that were subpar (even if you didn't realize it) and the girl was only putting up with you because you were willing to overpay and doing just enough to get you off and get done. But hell, if you're getting your rocks off with hot girls, do what you want. But in the spirit of giving guys in this thread advice on sugaring, this is textbook case of what not to do.[/QUOTE]I would say be "classy". Not necessarily nice. There's a fine line between nice and simp. Simps get nothing. And agree on usernames.

[QUOTE=KingHorama2;6285092]I talked to her a couple of days ago and moved to text. Gave her my schedule and requirements, her response and I quote "My ppms have thusfar been between 5-8. I'd ask for 7+" After 9 was late night so extra for hosting and I couldn't stay for long.

She was pleasant to talk to, but ghosted her due to ridiculousness.[/QUOTE]Here's a little jedi mind trick when they pull stupid GPS numbers. Say "I'll do $600 a week if we meet twice a week". Sometimes it'll work, and you've got her down to $300. I've done that for a few one and dones and it worked.

[QUOTE=DaRiv;6285316]Bruh.

I hope you know that's NOT a female. Unless you're just into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]+1. That's no broad. The height also gives it away.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6285605]I would say be "classy". Not necessarily nice. There's a fine line between nice and simp. Simps get nothing. And agree on usernames.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I very intentionally avoided using "nice" in my post. I don't simp, but I'm respectful and classy. It's amazing how quickly you can get a girl to go from boring conversation to full on sexting and nudes by just being respectful while being just a little flirty.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6285658]Agreed, I very intentionally avoided using "nice" in my post. I don't simp, but I'm respectful and classy. It's amazing how quickly you can get a girl to go from boring conversation to full on sexting and nudes by just being respectful while being just a little flirty.[/QUOTE]The whole goal and I sometimes get sidetracked on this, is to make them laugh within the first several texts. If you can't do that you're sunk. Once they confirm with a few "LOLs" etc, then I try to setup a meet.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6285052]I'd challenge any of you to stack your girls up against those in SoCal. So many hotties, but also a lot of GPS. If I didn't have to worry about the SO catching me about the $, I'd have a hard time restraining myself with many of them. Like that earlier poster.[/QUOTE]Here are a couple of examples, both I saw long ago. You can find really nice girls here, w / great personality, who aren't as hot as these, but still way above average, and who you can hang w / for a while without having to tolerate the usual SB crap.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6285373]How did you arrive at this conclusion? Granted, the main profile pic is a little sketchy, and 6'2" Hispanic is an Amazon, but I don't see even the hint of an Adam's apple.[/QUOTE]Lordy, that ain't a lady.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6278636][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/210c0e15-31da-4dcb-a776-3a8b081d2a3f[/URL]

Just curious if anyone has got anywhere with this one. Profile is a few months old, and they don't talk like a scammer. Moved her to snap, she snapped me a live pic. When I asked for one with a specific pose she pouted. Normaly I'd immediately cut off and move on, but her chatting doesn't have the usual hallmarks of scamming, and she hasn't asked for $.[/QUOTE]AVOID! She snaps you pics to make you believe she's real. I asked her multiple times to send me a video to verify she's legit but she said she would charge me for that. I said okay I'll meet you. She stays in Buckhead. I want to the place she said she stay and she wanted me to cash app first before she came to see me. I warn she ahead of time that I would only do it once I saw her in person. Anyways she refused to meet me she actually share the location what she was in Buckhead but I wouldn't take a chance. I would say cash only and see if she meets than.