"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885645]I understand your point and I think I will rephrase my words in my earlier post. The cost of keeping the burner phone as well as any app is not an issue for me either. The intention of my post was to know if these apps (these apps claim to provide a separate number like a google voice number. Take one, use it, dump it, take another) provide the same level of anonymity as the burner phones provide? I think keeping a separate burner phone a secret for someone who has friends and family that frequents them often is in itself a task isn't it?

P.S.: I really appreciate your suggestions.[/QUOTE]An app on your primary phone versus a separate phone comes down to preference, IMO. I've done both and personally find that carrying a single device around with me when I'm sugaring is preferable than having to carry a second one.

There are pros and cons to each. If you have a second physical phone it can provide clearer mental separation (I. E. Turn the phone off, hide it, whatever and you're out of pocket from sugaring). If you have an app on the phone you often find yourself doing things like managing how the alerts are displayed so that one of your SBs doesn't send you a naughty text at an awkward time. If you are married and she gets into your phone at all, having an app on there can be hazardous to your finances. Same could be true of a second phone but the assumption is that you always know where it is physically rather than having the two types of communication physically intertwined on a single phone.

My phone stays locked and my SO doesn't try to screw with it. The way it works around here is I can look at her phone at any time but she isn't allowed to touch mine. LOL. Its an alpha male thing.

[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885645]I understand your point and I think I will rephrase my words in my earlier post. The cost of keeping the burner phone as well as any app is not an issue for me either. The intention of my post was to know if these apps (these apps claim to provide a separate number like a google voice number. Take one, use it, dump it, take another) provide the same level of anonymity as the burner phones provide? I think keeping a separate burner phone a secret for someone who has friends and family that frequents them often is in itself a task isn't it?

P.S.: I really appreciate your suggestions.[/QUOTE]I dunno, everyone is different. An app number is only free because the company providing it is likely tracking you and selling that data / information. Do you want that layered on your REAL cell phone? I sure don't.

In fact, I don't install many apps as when I go to Google Play Store and look at apps, then see what things it needs access to, I back out and walk away. I mean REALLY? Why does a freaking calculator app need access to my location and camera? But hey, everyone downloads apps right and left with no thought of how they work or what / how they are tracking you.

Now not to say Google and its long reach isn't tracking you with their GV number. But layered on Burner phone. What are they going to get? You need a number to sign up for a FB page these days, so the burner phone gives that to you. FB recognizes Burner numbers and GV numbers and will ask for two forms of Gov't ID if you try and use that. Having a FB page, the SBs can "find," helps build comfort with them and credibility - but done in a secure way!

But one is worried about hiding a second cell phone when they are Sugaring behind their SO's back? Maybe THAT should be the question you ask others to comment on? How to conceal a second phone (burner) from SO?

So always trade-offs: hiding a burner versus extra security...

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2881133]In the bowl I wouldn't just be straight up about wanting to keep them on old as second string to the new exclusive unless you absolutely have to. Women (especially in situations like this) usually don't want to hear the truth. They will actually respect you for coming up with some clever explanation even if they don't believe it deep down. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "just don't tell me about the others". Meaning, she knows I'm fucking someone else but she doesn't want me to come out and say there's someone else.

They know we are straightforward creatures by nature, but they don't admire that or respect that we prefer simplicity. They respect complication. So the more you come up with complicated reasons (that don't need to be completely believable as they need to be hard to disprove or completely figure out), the more likely they are to be there when you need them to be. Some of them may just like you enough or be open minded to always be there. I've had some girls give me pretty much a free booty call pass just because I never did anything except make time with them enjoyable and ended things without drama. You might lose a few, or they might be always-open going forward.

In general the younger they are the less likely they are to understand or appreciate the truth. If your SBs are older (late 20's or higher) they might be understanding to your plan but I'd say not worth the risk. SB hunting can be a lot of work and if you have a stable rotation you are happy with it's best to keep it going if possible.[/QUOTE]I got a real chuckle out of "they don't need to be completely believable". I have actually taken this approach the past week and the response coincides with your comments. BTW. FTR. My decision to convert to exclusive status with my # 1 (26 yr old, single, college degree, moved back in with parents) lasted only 2 days! Although we had a really good 5 hours together (2 in the FC and 3 out for dinner) she shared with me that she has been fairly deep in the world of a submissive aromantic female. Although I had felt our 3 FC dates had been fairly hot (which was one of the reasons she was my current # 1) she described them as "vanilla". We discussed doing some bondage play for the next visit (which I had done with my previous # 1) but we are both ambivalent on doing anything over the top. For me personally I could handle this a bit easier if she was my # 2 or a back-up, but I tend to get a bit more emotionally attached to my # 1's (I know. Stand up and take my lashing). She did not go into graphic detail but even the minimum examples she gave me were a bit hard to imagine with this sweet looking girl. I had decided to cut off my # 2 (cute 24 yr old single mom, but reluctant to go bb, average FC skills) and put my # 3 on hold, but the good news is my # 1 (21 yr old, single) from last Sept-Nov reconnected with me last week and we had a great visit today. She has moved in with her mom who was good enough to leave the apartment while we had our 2 hour visit (very cool mom I would say). Getting back with the submissive on Monday and would like to keep both of them in the weekly schedule while I continue my search for the "perfect # 1".

This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.

I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.

She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886340]This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.

I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.

She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.[/QUOTE]Aw yes the "I want to get paid to go on a date" girl. Those dumb women don't last too long on the SD sites. Talk about GPS!! I sometimes wonder if they are even.

Taking this seriously. Or they must think men are really that stupid. I've been there man.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886340]This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.

I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.

She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.[/QUOTE]Hey its a matter of life. There are girls out there that make good money doing this and yes guys that have the money pay it. There was a girl in Cincinnati last summer that was getting up to $800 for her to be just arm candy. Guys that have it pay it so no use to get pissed or panties in a bind cause its a fact of life. Plenty of other girls to move on to.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2886159]I got a real chuckle out of "they don't need to be completely believable". I have actually taken this approach the past week and the response coincides with your comments. [/QUOTE]LOL. Yep, the female mind never ceases to amaze. What I try to do in that situation is simply make sure it's not something she's heard before (or worse an excuse she's used before herself, like some random family related emergency suddenly arose). Creativity and complexity win out over familiarity or believability, in terms of their likelihood of sticking around. Especially with younger ones, telling them about another girl will trigger a weird "competitive" reflex in some girls that will just piss them off. With some older girls (late 20's and up) I've actually seen the opposite reaction, not only are they open to waiting in line when I tell them honestly there's someone else, but if I'm lucky they'll ask if they can come by for a gratuitous free fuck (for their own pleasure), just because of the female instinct to want what they can't have (which I think grows more intense from about age 26-35).

Sometimes I think they are just better at reading us than we are at reading them, they can detect when we don't give a fuck whether we see them again and that is a big aphrodisiac to them (as long as we don't blow it with bad stories, too much honesty, or any display of sexual neediness). When we do give a fuck about ever seeing them again is when we have to be a little careful about next steps. Best thing is to have enough prospects going that you don't care too much whether you lose any of them. Kind of like shopping for real estate, don't get emotionally attached or you make bad decisions.

When you do have a "split" of sorts, as long as you always end things peacefully you might be surprised how many of those you thought you lost come running back. They will most likely run into problems with one of their other guys eventually, or get a hormone surge combined with some overdue bills that leaves them missing you and suddenly they are back (as long as the ending or breakup didn't end in a bitter way).

I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]Millennials don't like to talk on the phone. They prefer txt'ing, FB chats, etc. Her reluctance to talk on the phone probably has nothing to do with you. It's just the way some of them are wired.

I've gone out with a few millennials who couldn't put their phones away to have a decent conversation, and some who could hold amazing conversations. You don't know until you meet them.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2881033]I want to try this one of these days, but if I do this, it would be close to home which means I would need to be hitting the same hotel (s) up with the same sob story of a long drive, which would be hard to explain living close by. Plus they are going to be wonder why is this guy taking a new college girl to his room for only a few hours each time he stays here with that same old story. LOL.[/QUOTE]First -- explaining why you get a hotel when your license address is down the street. "I moved to (town 3 hours away) six months ago and sold my house, but stil have business in town". In fact, you should contact the GM and let them know your "situation" and get clearance for early check ins so you can "Shower" up before your business meetings. You might even get a rate!

Second -- don't have the young hottie come in with you. Ask for two keys at check in "better give me two, I always lose one. ". Either send her in first, then you follow after making a phone call or whatever (allows her to use the can, change into sexy attire) then you follow. Or vice versa.

Third -- don't check out. They will auto check you out the next AM. So they don't know when you left and since the bed is a mess, you just may have stayed the night.

PLUS you have the room until 11 AM the next AM. I've been known to pull a PM AM double header on my home field since I can't ever do a sleepover.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]I turn 59 this year and I am a month away from playing in the bowl for a year. My tally stands at 9 that made it to the FC. Five under 21, three 26-29 and one at 36. None were phone talkers which suited me fine since I need to be discreet. I just reconnected with a 27 who wanted to get back together after 5 months of her not finding what she wanted in a SD.

Anyway, getting back to your question about millennials. It has been my view they had less issues and less cancelled dates than the 26 and up. It is pretty much casual conversation at dinner and sex after with the young ones. The older ones are dealing with a kid or two or coming off breaking up with their real boyfriends. A lot harder to make and keep a date it seems.

My age clock is moving fast the wrong way. I figure a couple of years left of getting under 21 without really opening my wallet. So for now I am concentrating on them!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2886742]Millennials don't like to talk on the phone. They prefer txt'ing, FB chats, etc. Her reluctance to talk on the phone probably has nothing to do with you. It's just the way some of them are wired.

I've gone out with a few millennials who couldn't put their phones away to have a decent conversation, and some who could hold amazing conversations. You don't know until you meet them.[/QUOTE]My millennial sugar baby (MSB) had other traits that characterize her generation. She was narcissistic in that she was very concerned about her appearance. You could tell by what she posted on her social media sites. One night when we were in bed I caressed her face during foreplay. She asked me not to touch her face because it would mess up her makeup. She didn't want to have to reapply her makeup since she was going to 'hang out' with friends after I dropped her off around 11:30.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886800]I turn 59 this year and I am a month away from playing in the bowl for a year. My tally stands at 9 that made it to the FC. Five under 21, three 26-29 and one at 36. None were phone talkers which suited me fine since I need to be discreet. I just reconnected with a 27 who wanted to get back together after 5 months of her not finding what she wanted in a SD.

Anyway, getting back to your question about millennials. It has been my view they had less issues and less cancelled dates than the 26 and up. It is pretty much casual conversation at dinner and sex after with the young ones. The older ones are dealing with a kid or two or coming off breaking up with their real boyfriends. A lot harder to make and keep a date it seems.

My age clock is moving fast the wrong way. I figure a couple of years left of getting under 21 without really opening my wallet. So for now I am concentrating on them![/QUOTE]I hear what you're saying about the time clock. I've been in the bowl around two years and had a range of women but it never lasted 6 months. The 21 year old SD I just stopped seeing also had some daddy issues. Her mother has been trying to divorce her father for a year. Her father is playing mind games with the kids. At this point I'm not sure if I should renew on SA or go back to mongering. Each has its pros and cons.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]Ok lets not forget that this is a business for the most of them. What you perceive as reality might not be their reality. I have talked to several who had arrangements for over a year and terminated them because even though money was good they judt didn't like the guy and couldn't take it anymore much like you would a bad job. If you was her only sd for awhile then feel good about it. They are still kids and who knows what causes the problem. You might ask her where it went wrong and if she tells you work on it for next time. Remember she is 21 and your 59 so only she can tell you. They are being paid to be there.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2886846]Ok lets not forget that this is a business for the most of them. What you perceive as reality might not be their reality. I have talked to several who had arrangements for over a year and terminated them because even though money was good they judt didn't like the guy and couldn't take it anymore much like you would a bad job. If you was her only sd for awhile then feel good about it. They are still kids and who knows what causes the problem. You might ask her where it went wrong and if she tells you work on it for next time. Remember she is 21 and your 59 so only she can tell you. They are being paid to be there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great advice. I truly believe that she enjoyed being with me. But I had to stop seeing her because it seemed so devoid of any emotion and / or lack of affection. I checked SA on a regular basis and could see that she was not logging in. That's why I kept seeing her for as long as I did. So I guess you are right that I should feel good about it if I was the only one for 6 months. I don't think I need to ask her where it went wrong because I ended it. However, if I decide to jump back into the bowl for another long term gig then I will have my eyes wide open. Thanks again for the post. It helps me understand more.