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AMP Guide,
Yes it was an undercover cop that tagged me. She was wired too. They hauled me off to jail and booked me. Got a a few hours later. Court date is set for Monday. Do you think there will be jail time and / or fines? How much? Now is it worth getting a lawyer since I admitted the crime?
It was an undercover cop that busted me. Do you guys know what is the fine, jail time. Etc for first time offender? Should I get a Lawyer anyways even they got me on tape?
[quote=acc tiger;1158918]? what new laws?[/quote]the oregon legislature is thinking about several new laws involving **** prostitution.
i do not have exact details but proposals include a $50, 000 fine (that's fifty thousand) for any one paying or offering to pay an **** person for sex. another would require that the person's name and possibly picture be printed in some newspapers and possibly on television.
some serious jail / prison time may be included in yet another proposed law.
these proposed laws and others deal with the client hiring an **** prostitute.
someone convicted of pimping an **** person would really get hit hard.
Really sorry to hear this. You should contact a lawyer and ask for a 30 day continuance. He will help you decide whether you want to fight this or not. I would try and find a attorney who specializes in sex related cases. Typically the fine is between $750-$1000. Not sure if Oregon has a first offender program.
The proposed law are primarily aimed at curbing the pimping of minors and increasing penalties. But several news stories are mentioning a fine of $20, 000. The main thing is ask for a I'd if you have any suspicions that a girl could be a minor before making any offer or doing the check.
([url]http://www.leg.state.or.us:8765/query.html?col=0meas11&qt=prostitution&charset=iso-8859-1[/url], [url]http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2700.dir/hb2714.intro.html[/url])
You never want to enter the courthouse with out an attorney. It will be money well spent. Hard part is finding a good one who is worth a shit. Most suck. I have do not have anyone that I can specifically recommend. I do use three or four different attorneys depending on my needs. Sucks to have that many. However as a good friend says You are railroaded by the wheels of justice with out an attorney.
See the charges on Monday. It is called first appearance. No bid deal. Just say nothing other than not guilty. And ask for time to retain council. They will pospone it. Depending on what you said to the officer. It will be interesting to see if they persue it further. Let us all know. How did you get poped. You violated the basic rules for steet mongering here.
Everyone should read up on the rules again
Two on 82 near sandy. One WSW and one BSW. Opposite sides of the street.
Near the Downtown FM Karleigh was out working. SHe looked clean and pretty good. She was skinny when I saw her a year or better ago. Gave her my number and might check her out in a day or two. Not much to stick my dick into however a good massage from her is great.
After the civilian girl gets back. I will be tearing her up again. Fun to have some new fresh meat.
By hiring a lawyer you are showing the the that you are serious. I would look for a aggressive lawyer that is willing to file a bunch of motions. Sometimes the the will decide that the case is to much trouble and drop the case.
I got jacked a while back by some cop that had nothing better to do than pull me over on 82nd Ave and ask me "why am I in a high prostitution area." I had Washington plates and it was about 8 pm on a Sunday. I didn't get hauled to jail, but was cited for Prostitution Procurement. What the fuck ever. I did have to appear before a judge for this misdemeanor "crime". There was no fine, no time, but 3 years probation. The 1st appearance was just to hear the charges and say "not guilty". Next appearance was about 2 months later and that's when I received the probation.
I will soon be getting it expunged from my record.
I used a court appointed attorney, so if you pay, you may do better than me.
Hope it helps, just my experience in good ol' Portland.
Sorry to hear that. You should have fought the charge. Chances are if you got a good lawyer you would have beat it. Especially if the cop did not see you pick anyone.
14A. 40. 050 Unlawful Prostitution Procurement Activities. Printable Version
Man that is no good! I am shocked that a place like extremely liberal Portland would have this law on the books.
Here in Houston a group of lawyers and a couple of brothers successfully got rid of red light cameras.
The city still uses the camera's but can no longer issue tickets thanks to these guys organizing and making it a ballot question.
Some lawyer out there should purposely get himself arrested. It would be even better if he had a woman with him or have a women also try to get a citation. This law is aimed entirely at men. I thought the the the out there was dropping charges on blacks because he felt too many were be arrested compared to whites.
No offence but Portland is one the most fucked up places I have ever seen or been to.
Part of the law is written below,
A. As used in this Section,"prostitution" means that unlawful conduct defined in Section 14. A40. 040 of this Code. As used in this Section,"prostitution procurement activity" means any conduct by any person that constitutes a substantial step in furtherance of an act of prostitution. Such activity includes, but is not limited to, lingering in or near any street or public place, repeatedly circling an area in a motor vehicle, or repeatedly beckoning to, contacting, or attempting to stop pedestrians or motor vehicle operators.
B. It is unlawful for any person to engage in any prostitution procurement activity with an intent to induce, entice, solicit, procure, locate, or contact another person to commit an act of prostitution.
A good lawyer should be able fight this due one phrase. "but is not limited to". Such obscureness in laws often get shut down by the courts. The other thing is freedom of movement.
Example. Changing a flat tire in a bad hood, you are in hurry and when you are done you leave your jack behind.
You quickly realize it but don't know exactly where you stopped because it is dark outside. You circle around to find the spot and then WHAMMO. Police lights. The way this law is written, you are guilty. It is now your word against the cops / the.
Sorry for the long post but shit like that really pisses me off.
It has not made it to the state supreme court but the appellate court did.
Keyword I used was "good" lawyer. It gets very dangerous for laws that combine an assumption of intention with a legal activity.
[url]http://law.justia.com/cases/oregon/court-of-appeals/2006/a122970.html[/url]
You're right. My public defender said that if I didn't sign the citation and was taken in to be booked on the charges, they more than likely would have been dropped as well. I obviously didn't know that. I do not have a law background; I am a hard working professional that had to defend my licensing when it came up for renewal over this shit. The threats of having my car towed and all kinds shit like that made me take the quick way out so I signed it and got the hell out of there.
This was a very over aggressive do good-er cop (Johnny H. That's all I will say). One of his statements to me was "do you know who I am? I'm sure you've seen me on TV busting people." What a jack-ass! Also, this Johnny H. Started preaching to me about being moral and shit like that, even suggested a "god" movie with Kirk Cameron so I can get my life right. Funny!
So, again my advice is like yours, get a lawyer and fight and if you feel you were wronged, file a complaint against the officer, I did- F him!
The public defenders are under pressure to get their clients to plead out. This saves the county money. A friend of mine worked as a public defender was telling me this.
[QUOTE=Jake01; 1162647]You're right. My public defender said that if I didn't sign the citation and was taken in to be booked on the charges, they more than likely would have been dropped as well. I obviously didn't know that. I do not have a law background; I am a hard working professional that had to defend my licensing when it came up for renewal over this shit. The threats of having my car towed and all kinds shit like that made me take the quick way out so I signed it and got the hell out of there.
This was a very over aggressive do good-er cop (Johnny H. That's all I will say). One of his statements to me was "do you know who I am? I'm sure you've seen me on TV busting people." What a jack-ass! Also, this Johnny H. Started preaching to me about being moral and shit like that, even suggested a "god" movie with Kirk Cameron so I can get my life right. Funny!
So, again my advice is like yours, get a lawyer and fight and if you feel you were wronged, file a complaint against the officer, I did- F him! [/QUOTE]I once was on the wrong side street and was pulled over by a very similar type cop.
He accused me of dropping off a SW. I had not even talked to the person in question which they found out when they went and got her. But the cop accused me of lying and no matter what I said he called me a liar. We all have the right to remain silent and you can ask for a lawyer anytime during their investigation. I asked for a lawyer many times (I believe they are supposed to stop their investigation when you ask for a lawyer but he didn't).
Once he verified I never talked to the girl then he started on the "You are here to pick up prostitutes" thing like he did with you. He called me a liar again and I just quit talking to him. He told me I was going to lose my car, etc. It was a very long drawn out thing. I did not talk to him anymore through all the threatening and insults. After about two hours he let me go with a ticket about a minor traffic infraction (that was also total crap).
Do not let yourself be bullied into admitting something you didn't do.