"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2877367]Got a new SB. Congrats to me! The problem here is she screwed my brains out and it was an epic lay. Now she wants to up the price. She gave me the first run after a night of dinner and drinks. I spent about 300 and maybe another 120 for the hotel. She got me hooked, but now she hit me with a problem. She says she needs a new iPhone and she needs 6 $ for another M&G and likely another session. She gave me the GFE, so the value seems right for the long-term. Would you guys submit to this favor she asked or look for another SB. She's a spinner 10/10/10, just not sure if I want to peel off that type of cash so early on.

Another crux is that my old SB / SO is slowly getting back in the picture. She's ended her had behavior. Old SB lays would be free, but her partying and overnights with "girlfriends" killed the momentum. My guess is that since I cut her off and she's been living more of a student lifestyle she came back to her senses. Her woman instincts probably brought her to the realization that she can be replaced. I stopped being so eager to respond to her texts and have been ignoring her phone calls. She also misses driving my Porsche and the spending cash that was always available. Decisions, decisions![/QUOTE]Way to go. It appears you're back in control. I agree after going back to the college lifestyle she remembered how good she had it.

As far as the other one wanting a cell phone so early on and she is a 10/10/10 I would say no if you're giving her 600.

Well done sir. My 2 cents. Six bills is a lot. Just a hunch, but I suspect that she is testing your limits, much like your SO / SB (only with your SO / SB, she is testing your limits emotionally and wants to play for keeps. My guess is that while the lifestyle is important to her, your SB / SO has truly fallen for you).

The new SB is testing you in a similar fashion but on a much more superficial level. She wants to see how much she can bleed you. Without knowing more about her, she may be the type to see how far she can take it and then will move on if you can't meet her expectations. On the other hand, she may be testing you to see if you will put her in her place.

If its the former, then the be#tch is evil. Move on and don't look back. If its the latter, then you've found another gem to play with.

Long story short. You won't find out if you cave in and buy her the phone. Remember that you're the player who is playing the game. You've got multiple options, including your existing SO / SB. If the new SB doesn't work out, then better that you knew after the first FC session. There are new SB profiles every day. Most SDs don't fall in your profile (e. G. Not married, no kids, real money, and under 50). Remember that your type is what brings most of the pots into the game. Save your cash and keep on playing.

Again, just my two cents. And thanks for bringing the discussion back to pussy.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2877367]Got a new SB. Congrats to me! The problem here is she screwed my brains out and it was an epic lay. Now she wants to up the price. She gave me the first run after a night of dinner and drinks. I spent about 300 and maybe another 120 for the hotel. She got me hooked, but now she hit me with a problem. She says she needs a new iPhone and she needs 6 $ for another M&G and likely another session. She gave me the GFE, so the value seems right for the long-term. Would you guys submit to this favor she asked or look for another SB. She's a spinner 10/10/10, just not sure if I want to peel off that type of cash so early on.

Another crux is that my old SB / SO is slowly getting back in the picture. She's ended her had behavior. Old SB lays would be free, but her partying and overnights with "girlfriends" killed the momentum. My guess is that since I cut her off and she's been living more of a student lifestyle she came back to her senses. Her woman instincts probably brought her to the realization that she can be replaced. I stopped being so eager to respond to her texts and have been ignoring her phone calls. She also misses driving my Porsche and the spending cash that was always available. Decisions, decisions![/QUOTE]

As an update, I haven't shared any war stories lately so I thought I'd follow hoyas lead and update the board. The swim instructor got kicked to the curb right before Christmas. Her demands grew more and more expensive. I gave her a few parting gifts and then went dark. A date with her was as expensive as a date with the rest of my entire rotation. Just didn't make sense after a while. Besides, banging a super hot 21 year old was nice, until it started getting routine. Anyone with a long term SO knows what I'm talking about. She is my longest SB at six months.

I am in the bowl for variety, not a long term girlfriend. (No judgement with that statement since if I was single, I would probably be using the bowl to have a few girlfriends - I am unable to do that because of my own situation and envy the single brothers who can play in the bowl). My SO meets all my other needs emotionally, mentally, and physically (when I am up for that with her).

The new SB in the rotation is holding up nicely. Meeting her outside the site via a service job website was half the fun. The alternate I had hoped to add to the rotation was to freaked out by the fact that I knew she was on a sugar site.

As an aside, I have kept in touch with one young lady from SA during the last time I had an active profile. We had two dates and then an agreed upon FC trip that she backed out of last minute. According to her, knowing that I had a SO was too much for her to handle. Oddly enough, it wasn't enough to keep her from texting and emailing me.

We have lunch plans next week. I'm wondering and hoping to see what happens with this one. She is very much the good girl type that yearns to have some bad girl experiences. I hope that I am able to provide her with some.

Happy hunting gents. As an aside, my swim instructors profile is still dark. Then again, it may be that she just blocked me or set up a new profile. Who knows?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2875661]...
Is there a specific reason you wouldn't want a hotel room? I think your anonymity and privacy is best served there.[/QUOTE]My availability is limited to weekday afternoons (have to be on the road by4) and the typical check in time is 3 so even after requesting early check in I cannot always be certain of there being a room when I show up. Also the hassle of finding the best deal each time has now become harder to endure.

So trying to find options where I can get the same place when I need it. I have an Ad on CL let us see how it goes.

I am talking to a POT who claims that she has had two very successful (for her) SD arrangements in the past but her profile has just 2 face pictures and when I asked her for some full length pictures she said she doesn't have any and that she would have to get a camera blah. Blah. Blah.

She is also dead set against per meeting arrangements (will make her callgirl!) and insists on a weekly allowance though I can meet her as many times as I want during the week. I guess she only offers a all-you-can-eat-buffet not a la carte menu!

Do my brothers find anything fishy about this babe? I am intrigued by her boast of giving me the best sex of my life!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2878038]I am talking to a POT who claims that she has had two very successful (for her) SD arrangements in the past but her profile has just 2 face pictures and when I asked her for some full length pictures she said she doesn't have any and that she would have to get a camera blah. Blah. Blah.

She is also dead set against per meeting arrangements (will make her callgirl!) and insists on a weekly allowance though I can meet her as many times as I want during the week. I guess she only offers a all-you-can-eat-buffet not a la carte menu!

Do my brothers find anything fishy about this babe? I am intrigued by her boast of giving me the best sex of my life![/QUOTE]The first red flag is she's saying she would have to get a camera, I don't know if she is saying she doesn't own a phone, or she has a phone but it's a flip phone from 2002 that pre-dates camera inclusion? Either way is suspect, all of these girls have cameras in their phones and they know good and well they spend a good portion of their time taking selfies in bulk, only to sort through them and choose the best out of 200 later for posting.

My experience has been that when they have a nice body, they show it off earlier rather than later. If they won't at least send you a body shot in private, they are hiding something. A lot of times I've been able to confirm this on FB where you can sometimes see full body shots of them on one of their friends page. I've been lucky so far with actual M&Gs, but that's because there's more at stake with these dates so I am much more careful about who I schedule a meet with than I would be with pure civy dating.

In terms of public pics, it's not a red flag to me if they crop or modify the pic so you can't see them as well, but if every shot you see in subsequent private photo trades also seems to be hiding any part of them, then be suspect of that part. If all the pics are from the same angle, another red flag.

Attractive people know they are attractive and throw themselves out there for the viewing of others. The ones who have something to hide are the catfishers, the "creative angle" posers, etc.

As far as weekly allowance, I've discussed it before but I don't really talk money with them, I just gift after the fact. It prevents some encounters from getting to the M&G stage but it also prevents wasted time. Everyone's always happy with their gift.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2878025]My availability is limited to weekday afternoons (have to be on the road by4) and the typical check in time is 3 so even after requesting early check in I cannot always be certain of there being a room when I show up. Also the hassle of finding the best deal each time has now become harder to endure.

So trying to find options where I can get the same place when I need it. I have an Ad on CL let us see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Let us know if you figure that one out. The hotel check in dilemma is one of the reasons I've resisted playing closer to home during the day, its easier to just schedule M&G when I'm traveling to various cities already anyway and the hotel is an expense I would have with or without the date.

I suspect you might strike gold on CL with any combination of time and luck, someone out there will rent a room for a little extra cash.

I have read that sometimes sugar babies will advertise on dating websites like [URL]Match.com[/URL]. Has anyone ever met a sugar baby off of a legit website like.

Match or eHarmony thinking this was going to be a civi date with long term potential?

And later find out that they are also on a sugar daddy website? If so, what did you do?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2878292]I have read that sometimes sugar babies will advertise on dating websites like [URL]Match.com[/URL]. Has anyone ever met a sugar baby off of a legit website like. Match or eHarmony thinking this was going to be a civi date with long term potential?
And later find out that they are also on a sugar daddy website? If so, what did you do?[/QUOTE]Absolutely, I met SBs on civy dating sites long before I started using dedicated SD sites. I used to use Match often for civy hookups, and sometimes would see the girls I was meeting on SD websites. A few times I brought it to their attention and they would typically say "haha that's funny I forgot I made a profile there" or whatever (in those cases it was true because I could see they had not logged in to the SD site in like a year and a half).

Match, POF and others have SBs that know what they are after, you can usually figure them out by the age range of dating they specify and income expectations of potential matches.

Now some of these girls in the past during my civy years I fucked them stupid for nothing more than dinner. Yes they were looking for an SD but not in the sense of "discrete hotel room" hookups, more in the sense of "boyfriend with a good job". So, they were usually fucking me for the possibility of becoming a long term relationship.

These days I do not go SB hunting on Match and POF for two reasons.

First reason is that it's more work. More work to identify the potential SBs and / or to flip girls who haven't really thought about it yet into being one. This leads me to the reason number two.

The second reason is that because if you have game you can usually flip civy girls into being an SB, but because I feel like the girls on Match or POF would really rather find love or a soulmate, my conscience does not let me comfortably be the one to game them. To me it's a little like the old saying about not taking advantage of single moms. To me there is something inherently wrong about taking a girl who might not already have entitled princess syndrome, and try to get her involved in that lifestyle. Most of the SBs I know have daddy issues or something missing in their life, and I doubt they will ever have successful marriages after they've gotten used to such a sense of entitlement. I don't want to be the one to corrupt nice girls who are not yet gold diggers and convince them they should be a gold digger. I could do it very easily but its not playing fair and like I said my conscience has its limits. There are enough gold diggers out there that know exactly what they are getting into the moment they declare themselves an SB, I'd rather limit my play to them because I know I cannot offer a real relationship to any of these girls.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2877529]I assume six hundred since he's asking if any of us would for a perfect fuck.

I can only speak for myself, lol[/QUOTE]JL, it seems as though you are back in the game? Is your SO out of the country or are you dabbling a bit with her still in the home zone?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2877367]Got a new SB. Congrats to me! The problem here is she screwed my brains out and it was an epic lay. Now she wants to up the price. She gave me the first run after a night of dinner and drinks. I spent about 300 and maybe another 120 for the hotel. She got me hooked, but now she hit me with a problem. She says she needs a new iPhone and she needs 6 $ for another M&G and likely another session. She gave me the GFE, so the value seems right for the long-term. Would you guys submit to this favor she asked or look for another SB. She's a spinner 10/10/10, just not sure if I want to peel off that type of cash so early on.

Another crux is that my old SB / SO is slowly getting back in the picture. She's ended her had behavior. Old SB lays would be free, but her partying and overnights with "girlfriends" killed the momentum. My guess is that since I cut her off and she's been living more of a student lifestyle she came back to her senses. Her woman instincts probably brought her to the realization that she can be replaced. I stopped being so eager to respond to her texts and have been ignoring her phone calls. She also misses driving my Porsche and the spending cash that was always available. Decisions, decisions![/QUOTE]This is classic bait and switch-get you hooked then milk you. Offer her your acceptable allowance and move on if she won't take it. I had one like that -epic 19 yr old FS GFE for $$ and a coca cola. The next session ask was $1000. Bye Bye!

I've noticed on page 1 of my local SA search (age 18 -30. WAH) 13/20 are Moderate or higher Ask. Anybody take their ASK seriously or are they lobbing a hail mary out there?

Put another way, what % ask is reality? And another way, how many of you Mongers out their pay Moderate or higher?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2880112]JL, it seems as though you are back in the game? Is your SO out of the country or are you dabbling a bit with her still in the home zone?[/QUOTE]I'm actually "always" in the game, it's just that I intermittently operate in burst mode. LOL. Basically if I go out of town for any reason, I could be considered a threat to any willing pussy in that area, regardless of where my SO is. It's just that when she is gone traveling, I am driven by an extra sense of not wishing to be alone, therefore I'm more active during those times, and have a lot more POT activity in flux.

Usually there is some point at which I start to feel that what I'm doing is negatively impacting my life or relationship with her, then I start to tone it down (whether that's communication with girls, posts to this board, or both).

My max is $$ per date and I find that works pretty well in NY State, Ohio and Minnesota. Sure I have them ask for more but it works. Below $. 5 gets a little dicey, although I have had term that accepted $.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2880239]I've noticed on page 1 of my local SA search (age 18 -30. WAH) 13/20 are Moderate or higher Ask. Anybody take their ASK seriously or are they lobbing a hail mary out there?

Put another way, what % ask is reality? And another way, how many of you Mongers out their pay Moderate or higher?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Graham111;2880437]My max is $$ per date and I find that works pretty well in NY State, Ohio and Minnesota. Sure I have them ask for more but it works. Below $. 5 gets a little dicey, although I have had term that accepted $.[/QUOTE]I've been successful at $150 -200. Haven't shopped lately though since am happy with my current SB, and it is all indoor no cost work -like hotel or meals.