"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2853713]Not entirely. Earlier this year (I believe) there was a discussion about this on the thread. I'd say about half use SBs as one-off escorts before moving on. Problem is they are shooting them self in the foot. As OP states, the more they encounter this more they adapt their game. And don't forget, women are more social and more likely to share their experiences and learn from their peers.[/QUOTE]If an SD is making promises and signing up for a long-term ride then going dark, then he is an ass. Nice looking girls have already developed their game to deal with asses by dating guys their own age that don't call the next morning. To me the art of the game is to stir up as much genuine sexual arousal on their part. During that process I am then very clear about the fact that I'm not interested in a relationship and that I'm not in a position to commit to anything, but if they don't mind playing ships passing in the night with the possibility of the ship coming around again in the future, then we can have some fun. I rarely see the idea get rejected once the conversation gets to that point.

At the same time, these girls don't exactly shut down their profile after I fuck them. They are still online, searching for the next possibility. Most of them say they don't know exactly what they are looking for, anyway. And I think everyone here knows that in 90% of cases that a girl tells her SD she is exclusive, she is probably fucking someone else (either a traditional BF or another SD), so it would be hypocritical for them to complain about one-night-stands that they wish could have been more.

I would say almost everyone I've met have been amenable to the occasional drive-by fuck. Maybe I'm a bit more noble in the sense that I'm honest about future availability up front.

Yes there is usually some level of unwanted attachment. A while back I had an amazing stripper takeout scenario that was one of the hottest fucks I've ever had in my life, met her at the club and after running some game had her literally jeopardize her job by leaving early to come to my place for epic fucking without a mention of sugar. I gave her some the next morning (because she lost income by leaving with me and took the risk). Couple of weeks later I text her I'm in town again -- she says she wants a "real" date with me where I pick her up early, wine and dine her, etc. Got going too late for dinner, so I only paid for drinks and club cover charges. More epic sex ensued. The next day she wants to see me again but its my last night in town so I told her I can't I have to get up early, she gets kind of clingy and acting emotionally needy on me. Funny thing is I think she was engaged because I saw her hiding the ring in her purse.

My point is that sometimes hearts get trampled on a little bit in dating even when everyone plays fair. That always will be and always has been a component of dating.

And as far as those girls who already have built-in bitterness expressed in their profile, where they complain about how they have not yet received their just desserts with prior sugar daddies, I avoid those completely because they're already wearing the fact that they are a train wreck on their sleeve and I refuse to give them the time of day.

[QUOTE=Realco71;2853239]
Been reading the forum for a bit and been working my way reading from the beginning. I've gathered a good education, but I find myself in a conundrum. My profession is all about being known, promoting myself, and being as visible as possible. This sounds very contrary to what I've been reading in the forum about security. I haven't entered the sugar bowl yet, but I find myself in a marriage that is devoid of intimacy and I long for more. Any suggestions for the newbie?[/QUOTE]One response suggested you need to decide whether personal desire or career is more important -- I'd take that a step further and say you have a complex scale that balances career, personal desire, and marriage. That last one is big because of the financial implications (and perhaps the emotional implications depending on how you feel about her) of fucking it up.

What none of us can know from your post is, how bad would it be if you had a vengeful SB go sideways? Is your career such that she could damage you by outing you in a blog online, or is it not of that nature? My advice would be to envision, in great detail, all the things that would happen to career and marriage if this were to occur. Assume the absolute worst case scenario while you envision it. It might not ever happen, but unless you envision the worst, then you have not properly assessed the risk and cannot yet make an informed decision on whether you really want to do this. No doubt it would injure your marriage, but if an SB's rampage or a pregnancy scare could hurt your career, you are in a particularly vulnerable position and I would say back away and maybe stay with escorts -- far less risky. SBs can get much more emotionally attached, and while some of them are sweethearts some of them are pure evil and it's impossible to know which is which until long after the first few visits to the FC.

To see the best possible way this could turn out, take a look at the Dave Letterman case. Someone found out he was banging one of his interns regularly, and tried to out him and extort big bucks. He handled it like a true alpha male, walked out on fucking stage in front of all of America and said yeah I did this shit even before the media picked up the news, completely undermining the extortionist's plan. But at the end of it all he had a lot of fucking work on his marriage to do, he managed to keep it together but he even confessed (in a serious non joking tone) to someone on the show once that he had been taking anti-depressants and was still dealing with some issues many years later.

IMHO a high-profile job + marriage + secret sex life don't mix.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2853819]
What none of us can know from your post is, how bad would it be if you had a vengeful SB go sideways? Is your career such that she could damage you by outing you in a blog online, or is it not of that nature? My advice would be to envision, in great detail, all the things that would happen to career and marriage if this were to occur. Assume the absolute worst case scenario while you envision it. It might not ever happen, but unless you envision the worst, then you have not properly assessed the risk and cannot yet make an informed decision on whether you really want to do this. No doubt it would injure your marriage, but if an SB's rampage or a pregnancy scare could hurt your career, you are in a particularly vulnerable position and I would say back away and maybe stay with escorts -- far less risky. SBs can get much more emotionally attached, and while some of them are sweethearts some of them are pure evil and it's impossible to know which is which until long after the first few visits to the FC.
[/QUOTE]Excellent advise here. Heed it well.

Successful mongering, in any form, is nothing more than risk assessment and management. YOU have to perform the risk assessment, others here can help with techniques for managing the risk.

That software change has screwed up my messages and it is way slow today. Plus the pages load bigger images and my discreet viewing at work is in danger. SA go back to the way it was yesterday!

On that other topic about being married and having a decent job with both being at risk if on SA. I can't stop. Meeting and going to the FC with college girls beats the hell out of paid escorts in cheap hotels. I will claim sex addiction or whatever if caught.

Great idea right there. SA should create a SFW option on the site that's more discreet, faster and less graphic. I'm sure there is a market for that!

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2854140]That software change has screwed up my messages and it is way slow today. Plus the pages load bigger images and my discreet viewing at work is in danger. SA go back to the way it was yesterday!
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Too funny. That guy should've read the Richmond SB thread. He would've had a burner phone, alias email, and gotten a 21 year old instead of a 40 year old.

Anonimity is key gents.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2849945][B]Beauty sues sugar daddy for $1.5M after he dumps her | New York Post[/B]

[URL]http://nypost.com/2016/03/26/beauty-files-1-5m-suit-after-sugar-daddy-kicks-her-out-of-loft[/URL]

I know, it's the NY Post and all, but if nothing else it proves some points about SB / SD relationships. With those fucking Crocs he's rocking, could he get laid without being rich?[/QUOTE]

Had a m & g yesterday in a motel parking lot with a 19 yro latina (hot and thin on SA and fb, but 20-30 lbs heavier in person). I was on the fence but since she was up for it and never brought up price (I went with $. 25) I went to the FC with her. She did not request a cover so I went BB. Later that day she sends me a text asking if I came inside her bc she was not on birth control. I reassured her there was no preggo risk, but the thought popped into my head that her extra weight has been since a very thin FB pic posted in December / Do you see where I am going with this? It made me think I could have been played for a paternal lawsuit bluff. In this instance I don't think so based on the subsequent texts we had last night. I will not be repeating with her but for the NC brothers feel free to PM me if need be. Anyhow, the moral of the story is my investment last year in a vasectomy was worth every penny.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2855984]Had a m & g yesterday in a motel parking lot with a 19 yro latina (hot and thin on SA and fb, but 20-30 lbs heavier in person). I was on the fence but since she was up for it and never brought up price (I went with $. 25) I went to the FC with her. She did not request a cover so I went BB. Later that day she sends me a text asking if I came inside her bc she was not on birth control. I reassured her there was no preggo risk, but the thought popped into my head that her extra weight has been since a very thin FB pic posted in December / Do you see where I am going with this? It made me think I could have been played for a paternal lawsuit bluff. In this instance I don't think so based on the subsequent texts we had last night. I will not be repeating with her but for the NC brothers feel free to PM me if need be. Anyhow, the moral of the story is my investment last year in a vasectomy was worth every penny.[/QUOTE]The other moral of the story is your anonymity. If you played it right she would not have info about your identity to locate or identify you. Of course, we forget that license plates and hotel registration info is available to the creative scammer-or worst case -IRL pregnancy for a BB upload.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2855984]Had a m & g yesterday in a motel parking lot with a 19 yro latina (hot and thin on SA and fb, but 20-30 lbs heavier in person). I was on the fence but since she was up for it and never brought up price (I went with $. 25) I went to the FC with her. She did not request a cover so I went BB. Later that day she sends me a text asking if I came inside her bc she was not on birth control. I reassured her there was no preggo risk, but the thought popped into my head that her extra weight has been since a very thin FB pic posted in December / Do you see where I am going with this? It made me think I could have been played for a paternal lawsuit bluff. In this instance I don't think so based on the subsequent texts we had last night. I will not be repeating with her but for the NC brothers feel free to PM me if need be. Anyhow, the moral of the story is my investment last year in a vasectomy was worth every penny.[/QUOTE]Couple years ago I took one to the FC once. I'm always safe and used a condom even though she didn't request it. Looking back, she definitely had a strange look on her face when I suited up but I didn't really notice or pay it any mind at the time.

Right after that she dumps me for another guy, also 25 years her senior. I actually wondered what I did wrong, cause I thought the sex was actually pretty ok. Magically, 7 months later, there they are on FB with their brand new baby. Apparently it was a 8. 5# preemie LOL.

I have no doubt that she had me in mind for that role but I foiled her plan.

Had 2 separate cover failures with 2 separate babies. Both good sports about it, genaric plan be at Walmart runs around 40. No prescription or names. What's a Vasectomy cost cash (not turning in to insurance)? I'd have a little bit of a hard time explaining to the SO given we haven't been "together" for over 15 years! A little one would be even harder to explain.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2856489]The other moral of the story is your anonymity. If you played it right she would not have info about your identity to locate or identify you. Of course, we forget that license plates and hotel registration info is available to the creative scammer-or worst case -IRL pregnancy for a BB upload.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2857589]Had 2 separate cover failures with 2 separate babies. Both good sports about it, genaric plan be at Walmart runs around 40. No prescription or names. What's a Vasectomy cost cash (not turning in to insurance)? I'd have a little bit of a hard time explaining to the SO given we haven't been "together" for over 15 years! A little one would be even harder to explain.[/QUOTE]If your SO doesn't see your boy parts just go to an outpatient Vasectomy mill -call around and request cash price. They will negotiate. A Dr's office should do it for $1000 or less. Recovery is a little soreness for a week or so. Spin a tale about "problems" for a week or two before going for your surgery. If your SO actually cares about you she will bug you to go see the DR. After you go (do it with local anesthesia -not sedation) you can say they gave you some medicine for Prostate infection and that you need to use an ice pack for a few days. All in the open and above board -sortof.

My brothers,

As some of you may recall, I posted a while back that one of my two regular babies expressed an interest in me finding another baby to join us in a threesome. She had done this several years before when she lived in Boston, and wanted to know if that was something I'd be interested in. DUH!!

I immediately created a new profile on SA spelling out that I was an experienced SD whose current baby was looking for a girl to join us. I was astonished at the response, and even though I let my access lapse, I'm still getting hits on it. I met a number of POTs for coffee and a pre-screen, but as with regular sugar m&gs, most didn't go very far. Too flaky, too fat, too. Something.

I did manage to pull off two threeways, however, one with my current baby, and the other with two of the new POTs I was particularly hot for! This last is probably my crowning achievement in the Bowl so far, and something I am going to continue to attempt.

In the interest of sharing my insights on the elusive threeway, here's what I now know: it is just as hard for a hot baby to meet other hot babies to sleep with as it is for us. One said that there's really no place they can go to safely pick up another girl besides lesbian bars, and they aren't into the whole Bull Dyke scene. So if an SD would like to provide a service, of sorts, to these poor unfortunate HYBs, then he will be rewarded. Another thing I learned was that all these babies who responded were comforted by the fact that I already had an SB. I was pre-approved, so to speak, so you all might want to make mention of that in some way in your profiles.

Here is something else I discovered: if it's sometimes hard to schedule any FC time with one little fish, it is five times as hard to schedule it with two. You would think these girls were CEOs of major international corporations or something! Herding pussies is what came to mind, but once you get them both safely behind closed doors, it is a mindblowing experience, straight out of a porn flick. Both of mine lasted 4 to 5 hours, and when Little Scottie needed to catch his breath, the girls just carried on without him. The one negative I discovered, however, is that if there are two girls in a room together who like each other, there is a lot, and I mean a LOT, of talking, even if they are licking each others pussies! In balance, it is a small price to pay, but it did make me laugh.

I am now trying to round up another girl to share with my baby, and will take another run at getting two random newbies together. One warning: the concept does apparently draw the pros out of the woodwork, but thankfully they all called me "hun" in their first contact, which as we all know is hooker-talk for "john. ".

Feel free to ask me any questions if there are things I did not touch on, but I urge you all to take a stab at this. As I said, the many, many positives far outweigh the added effort of setting it up.

Cheers,

Scott.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2854140]That software change has screwed up my messages and it is way slow today. Plus the pages load bigger images and my discreet viewing at work is in danger. SA go back to the way it was yesterday!

On that other topic about being married and having a decent job with both being at risk if on SA. I can't stop. Meeting and going to the FC with college girls beats the hell out of paid escorts in cheap hotels. I will claim sex addiction or whatever if caught.[/QUOTE]Amen about the shitty Sa upgrade. Hell, I can't even get s decent search anymore. It keeps giving me three chicks who haven't logged on in 5 months in my area.

About a month and a half ago I saw a girl's ad on match that looked to good to be true. Based on her pics she looked Russian or Polish. I met her she didn't look like her.

Pic but she was drop dead cute as hell. I was worried about the age gap. She was 27 and.

I am going to be 40 this month. On our third date she tells me she is really 19! I fucked a 19 year oli (she turned 20 last month).

So long story short, I have been "dating" her for about month and the sex is fucking amazing. She is still in college and so far have told a few friends about it.

Needless to say I am getting a lot of shit from them with a handful of them are ok with this. So not sure what is going to happen but just having fun right now.

I would love to hear anyone who has dated or even married eastern european girls. This is my third one. I might have to take a break from the hobby for a while.

Maybe.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2859242]
Needless to say I am getting a lot of shit from them with a handful of them are ok with this. So not sure what is going to happen but just having fun right now.
Maybe.[/QUOTE]If yes then you're one lucky son of a.