[QUOTE=Glockman;2400086]Thanks. Looks like she could use some better pics, including some of her sucking my dick. If she's willing, I'll try to get up for it![/QUOTE]Glock, you crack me up.
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[QUOTE=Glockman;2400086]Thanks. Looks like she could use some better pics, including some of her sucking my dick. If she's willing, I'll try to get up for it![/QUOTE]Glock, you crack me up.
Hello All,
One of my friends told me about this site and I love it. Being from the Houston area and been in Memphis for 3 months, this gives me a guide to finding what I am looking for quickly rather trail and error LOL. What.
Places do you guys recommend for body rubs? Places that give good HE would be great! Thanks.
Had a great time at the spa. Ask for selena.
[QUOTE=SammySosa79;2402533]Hello All,
One of my friends told me about this site and I love it. Being from the Houston area and been in Memphis for 3 months, this gives me a guide to finding what I am looking for quickly rather trail and error LOL. What.
Places do you guys recommend for body rubs? Places that give good HE would be great! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum.
What you're looking for is all over this sub-forum. I mean, literally. Even if you just scroll down a little or go to a couple pages you'll find the info you need.
There are a lot of 'AMP's popping up all over memphis, but there are still only 2 that might give you what you're looking for.
Won't be hard for you to figure out which ones either.
GL and be safe!
And all I can say is it was ok. I can definitely concur that it is borderline erotic. If I had a topless or nude massage like that I'd be raving about it. Buuuut it was neither. So I can just say it was merely ok. I would say the massage was good for circulation, but not say for working out a knotted muscle. Oh well. At least I knew what to expect from previous reviews. I'm pretty sure she used to work at Delta. But I only visited there once so I'm not completely sure.
I've been to Ocean a few times now and tried Mintee last week. Won't go to JC, from reviews it seems to be a hassle. I speak Chinese, which gives me an advantage at the Chinese parlors, and I can tell you that none of you will be getting anything illegal at these places. Honestly, I feel like a naive kid at the county fair that just blew his allowance on rigged carnie games. What is the point of an asian massage parlor that advertises on backpage, craigslist, et all, but doesn't do much more than rub on you a little bit and tease you? It's a scam, that's what it is. If you want a massage, there are plenty of legit places already where you can blow a hundred bucks. If you want an asian woman to touch you, just go to any given nail salon and let a cute Vietnamese lady rub on your feet.
As a lot of us thought, it was too good to be true and would not last. It appears to be shut down as a public nuisance.
[QUOTE=MinscAndBoo;2406022]I've been to Ocean a few times now and tried Mintee last week. Won't go to JC, from reviews it seems to be a hassle. I speak Chinese, which gives me an advantage at the Chinese parlors, and I can tell you that none of you will be getting anything illegal at these places. Honestly, I feel like a naive kid at the county fair that just blew his allowance on rigged carnie games. What is the point of an asian massage parlor that advertises on backpage, craigslist, et all, but doesn't do much more than rub on you a little bit and tease you? It's a scam, that's what it is. If you want a massage, there are plenty of legit places already where you can blow a hundred bucks. If you want an asian woman to touch you, just go to any given nail salon and let a cute Vietnamese lady rub on your feet.[/QUOTE]I agree completely. These places lure men into the establishment by alluding to a complete massage experience, but offer up a mediocre massage and a case of blue cojones. I've visited four of the AMPs in the Memphis area and only two have left me feeling fully relaxed. I call the others a scam for the fact that they advertise in all the right places, and use the right AMP words. They know they are advertising more than what they're providing, and that is what makes it a scam. A city the size of Memphis should really have more to offer, but for now, you will need to stick to Q or T if you don't want to waste money.
[QUOTE=Memaca;2407280]As a lot of us thought, it was too good to be true and would not last. It appears to be shut down as a public nuisance.[/QUOTE]Thanks for heads up. Almost went over there today. Saved me a rather long drive.
[QUOTE=Memaca;2407280]As a lot of us thought, it was too good to be true and would not last. It appears to be shut down as a public nuisance.[/QUOTE]We all know that for it to say open was too good to be true. I was really impressed that they had been able to avoid unwanted scrutiny considering the frequent escort ads and obvious location.
Anybody seen Cody recently (mature and down from Bass Pro)? She advertised in the Body Rub section of Back Page, but I can't find a recent ad. TIA.
[QUOTE=JboneTN;2408645]Anybody seen Cody recently (mature and down from Bass Pro)? She advertised in the Body Rub section of Back Page, but I can't find a recent ad. TIA.[/QUOTE]She is still around, just doesn't advertise as much as she used to. Same place same number.
Pretty green at this, so bear with me.
Met Sophia today.
All I can say is wow.
WOW.
[QUOTE=TCCook;2414742]Pretty green at this, so bear with me.
Met Sophia today.
All I can say is wow.
WOW.[/QUOTE]Man, you got that right! She is one awesome lady!
[QUOTE=TCCook;2414742]Pretty green at this, so bear with me.
Met Sophia today.
All I can say is wow.
WOW.[/QUOTE]Was contact through her given e-mail? I can't get a response myself.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
It is my responsibility to inform everyone about the good stuff like I did about the now defunct Lilly's Spa – man was that ever fun, but it also my duty to inform you all about the bad stuff / questionable stuff too, like I am about to do, and this one really hurt my heart.
This lady known as Vanessa in her ad is whom I was scheduled to meet at a Motel 6 off of the infamous Sycamore View Rd. For a deep tissue massage / body rub. The first red flag that I noticed was some guy coming out of the room. I assumed that he might have been the previous guy in line, but he certainly wasn't the guy you would want to meet in a dark or well-lit alley.
So I did my reconnaissance from my vehicle and waited for this guy to leave. I then got a call from this Vanessa lady telling me to come on up. So as I am approaching the room number, I am confronted by three thugs. They tried to impede my progress to the room, which is right in front of me, so I pushed on through anyway.
They kept yelling: "Wus up main (man)? Wus up main? Wut you want to do main?
I made it to the room, and this sexy, White lady opens the door in lingerie. So I was like yes, but as I turned towards her door, these thugs were coming right behind me, so I put one foot inside and then stepped back outside and kept on moving away – exiting the scene. As I looked back, I saw one of the thugs go into Vanessa's room.
She then calls me and says that she doesn't know these guys, and she was afraid for her own safety, but the damage had been done. Now I don't know what the truth is on her involvement or non-involvement in this situation, but at this point, she has to be avoided.
She is very attractive, but location, location, location is a must, and the ghetto hooligans have to go. You cannot do real business with a bunch of dudes standing around with their pants sagging off of their "I'm a gangsta" asses.
Otherwise, we will have to assume that this is an accepted part of your environment, and that will be your loss.
[QUOTE=BossHawg;2416519][URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
It is my responsibility to inform everyone about the good stuff like I did about the now defunct Lilly's Spa man was that ever fun, but it also my duty to inform you all about the bad stuff / questionable stuff too, like I am about to do, and this one really hurt my heart.
This lady known as Vanessa in her ad is whom I was scheduled to meet at a Motel 6 off of the infamous Sycamore View Rd. For a deep tissue massage / body rub. The first red flag that I noticed was some guy coming out of the room. I assumed that he might have been the previous guy in line, but he certainly wasn't the guy you would want to meet in a dark or well-lit alley.
So I did my reconnaissance from my vehicle and waited for this guy to leave. I then got a call from this Vanessa lady telling me to come on up. So as I am approaching the room number, I am confronted by three thugs. They tried to impede my progress to the room, which is right in front of me, so I pushed on through anyway.
They kept yelling: "Wus up main (man)? Wus up main? Wut you want to do main?
I made it to the room, and this sexy, White lady opens the door in lingerie. So I was like yes, but as I turned towards her door, these thugs were coming right behind me, so I put one foot inside and then stepped back outside and kept on moving away exiting the scene. As I looked back, I saw one of the thugs go into Vanessa's room.
She then calls me and says that she doesn't know these guys, and she was afraid for her own safety, but the damage had been done. Now I don't know what the truth is on her involvement or non-involvement in this situation, but at this point, she has to be avoided.
She is very attractive, but location, location, location is a must, and the ghetto hooligans have to go. You cannot do real business with a bunch of dudes standing around with their pants sagging off of their "I'm a gangsta" asses.
Otherwise, we will have to assume that this is an accepted part of your environment, and that will be your loss.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. For me this is what I really like about the board. Making sure some light shines on the robbers and terrible service.
[QUOTE=Satyrrical;2415481]Was contact through her given e-mail? I can't get a response myself.[/QUOTE]Yep. Email. She did mention that she was trying to keep her per diem low, and was getting way more emails than she was interested in handling.
Damn. That was ridiculous fun. She doesn't plan on doing this very long, so catch her before she leaves town.
[QUOTE=BossHawg;2416519][URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
It is my responsibility to inform everyone about the good stuff like I did about the now defunct Lilly's Spa man was that ever fun, but it also my duty to inform you all about the bad stuff / questionable stuff too, like I am about to do, and this one really hurt my heart.
This lady known as Vanessa in her ad is whom I was scheduled to meet at a Motel 6 off of the infamous Sycamore View Rd. For a deep tissue massage / body rub. The first red flag that I noticed was some guy coming out of the room. I assumed that he might have been the previous guy in line, but he certainly wasn't the guy you would want to meet in a dark or well-lit alley.
So I did my reconnaissance from my vehicle and waited for this guy to leave. I then got a call from this Vanessa lady telling me to come on up. So as I am approaching the room number, I am confronted by three thugs. They tried to impede my progress to the room, which is right in front of me, so I pushed on through anyway.
They kept yelling: "Wus up main (man)? Wus up main? Wut you want to do main?
I made it to the room, and this sexy, White lady opens the door in lingerie. So I was like yes, but as I turned towards her door, these thugs were coming right behind me, so I put one foot inside and then stepped back outside and kept on moving away exiting the scene. As I looked back, I saw one of the thugs go into Vanessa's room.
She then calls me and says that she doesn't know these guys, and she was afraid for her own safety, but the damage had been done. Now I don't know what the truth is on her involvement or non-involvement in this situation, but at this point, she has to be avoided.
She is very attractive, but location, location, location is a must, and the ghetto hooligans have to go. You cannot do real business with a bunch of dudes standing around with their pants sagging off of their "I'm a gangsta" asses.
Otherwise, we will have to assume that this is an accepted part of your environment, and that will be your loss.[/QUOTE]In something that was totally unexpected, Mrs. Vanessa called me back the next day and assured me that the ghetto hooligans were gone. She even gave me the number to the hotel manager, and I called to verify that a formal complaint about it had been made and the manager assured me that the riff-raff had been removed.
So I went back the next day, and the difference was like night and day. It was quiet, and thug row was gone.
So I met Vanessa, and it all went well, very well, after that. The body rub was okay at best, but the extra curricula activities were worth it.
As I said before, she is a petite cutie with a sexy body and very nice boobs, not overly big but a handful, and she was very kind to me once we got past the little gangbangers united issue.
The tunnel was nice and tight, and the touch was soft and caressing. Even got one of my fetishes notched.
What a difference 24 hours can make. As long as the aimless ruffians stay away, I will repeat.
P.S. She also told me that the blonde lady that goes by the ad name of Callie is the real shady character one to watch out for, which affirms the negative reviews about her on this board.
Vanessa (Sonya who posted w Callie recently) is an awesome lady and date. She's not about drugs, no pimp, etc just someone who will only be around a short time til she's back on her feet from some recent setbacks. I Saw her 6 wks ago and had an awesome date, no clock watching, good conversation. IMO while she's not a long time pro (which I like) she like anyone else is comfortable with some things and some things not so much. She's p411 quality person on BP.
As for your situation boss she told me about it 3-4 hrs ago and how she was scared because after you rightly bolted and she agreed with your decision the one thug walked in her room uninvited cause her door was left open and he started verbally messing with her and she told his ass to leave and he finally did. She called and reported them and security ran them off.
Vanessa is a great person and very attractive.
Thanks for not only reporting your concerns but also showing she's not a player and how she followed up with you like a pro.
Bioteck.
[QUOTE=BossHawg;2417286]In something that was totally unexpected, Mrs. Vanessa called me back the next day and assured me that the ghetto hooligans were gone. She even gave me the number to the hotel manager, and I called to verify that a formal complaint about it had been made and the manager assured me that the riff-raff had been removed.
So I went back the next day, and the difference was like night and day. It was quiet, and thug row was gone.
So I met Vanessa, and it all went well, very well, after that. The body rub was okay at best, but the extra curricula activities were worth it.
As I said before, she is a petite cutie with a sexy body and very nice boobs, not overly big but a handful, and she was very kind to me once we got past the little gangbangers united issue.
The tunnel was nice and tight, and the touch was soft and caressing. Even got one of my fetishes notched.
What a difference 24 hours can make. As long as the aimless ruffians stay away, I will repeat.
P.S. She also told me that the blonde lady that goes by the ad name of Callie is the real shady character one to watch out for, which affirms the negative reviews about her on this board.[/QUOTE]
She is a slender matured lady to provide bbj. Her sensual touching made me excited, being ready for the front. I rank her ass AA (not AAA).
I could not hold more than 4 min. If you like to receive an enjusiastic BJ, I would recommend. No full service.
She will have a apartment for this business. If she learn a good equality of massage, I would repeat once a moth. At this moment, her focus seems to be quick BJ service.
[QUOTE=SweetBug;2422064]She is a slender matured lady to provide bbj. Her sensual touching made me excited, being ready for the front. I rank her ass AA (not AAA).
I could not hold more than 4 min. If you like to receive an enjusiastic BJ, I would recommend. No full service.
She will have a apartment for this business. If she learn a good equality of massage, I would repeat once a moth. At this moment, her focus seems to be quick BJ service.[/QUOTE]I reviewed Sophia. Sorry about that. Bug.
Anyone seen this one yet? I set up something for later this afternoon, but thought someone may have already seen her.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-little-sarah-taking-appointments-now/12749232[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lshllc;2428201]Anyone seen this one yet? I set up something for later this afternoon, but thought someone may have already seen her.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-little-sarah-taking-appointments-now/12749232[/URL][/QUOTE]You have to let us know how it goes man!
[QUOTE=Lshllc;2428201]Anyone seen this one yet? I set up something for later this afternoon, but thought someone may have already seen her.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-little-sarah-taking-appointments-now/12749232[/URL][/QUOTE]Curious myself. Let us know how it goes!
[QUOTE=BottomsUp2;2428603]Curious myself. Let us know how it goes![/QUOTE]Too good to be true.
Since my go to place Lilly's closed I'm in search of somewhere new. I know of Satin Touch. Is she the only worker there? I'm not particularly interested in spinners. I'm mainly interested in ebony providers or white busty ones that don't discriminate. Anyone know of any in escort section that provide massages that I may have missed. Any thoughts on these would be appreciated. PM me or leave reply on board.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/i-do-the-body-good/7738839[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/escape-to-paradisean-amazing-sensation-awaits-you/6964861[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/professional-licensed-massage-therapy/8514346[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lshllc;2428201]Anyone seen this one yet? I set up something for later this afternoon, but thought someone may have already seen her.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-little-sarah-taking-appointments-now/12749232[/URL][/QUOTE]Got an uneasy feeling about the meeting and cancelled. Now the ad is down and she isn't responding to texts. I'd say proceed with caution.
Saw her the other day at her house. Must say, she has the most bangin body I have EVER seen on a provider, especially for being 41 years old. Started with a little lotion rub which was ok just cause she was touching me. Didn't last 5 minutes and then she had me flip and rubbed a little more lotion on my legs and then started with jr. Within a minute she was leaned over with her ass in the air and jr in her mouth. WOW, she loves to suck cock. She told me that is the secret to a happy marriage: Cook and give BJs. I tend to agree!
As she sucked on jr, I rubbed her back all the way to her ass and she just melted. She told me up front that she doesn't fuck so I knew that was out, but I also know she loves to fuck. Maybe one day she will change that policy. I imagine it would be a wild ride.
She changed positions about 3 times until I finally popped about 45 minutes later. She let a little get in her mouth but jerked the rest out. It was as perfect as it could be. Took a shower to clean up and was on my way.
The only off thing is her neighborhood and her nosy ass neighbors who sit on the porch all the time. She was pretty paranoid about them. She is planning on getting a room in the future.
I will definitely go back to see her. Jr already sent me a text requesting it!
TT.
[QUOTE=Lshllc;2429291]Got an uneasy feeling about the meeting and cancelled. Now the ad is down and she isn't responding to texts. I'd say proceed with caution.[/QUOTE]A red flag for me was 2 sets of different pics. One with tattoo's and the recent ad with no tattoo's and both ads were the exact same body with same exact lighting and photography. I top it off with endless texts and always no response hour leading up to the set appointment time.
I saw her the other day. It took several tries over several days before I got an answer. She is working out the the location that "Rachel Love" was using. The place is safe of course, and there weren't too many people out the day I went. Princess is petite, small breasts, and has a cute butt.
The only problem really was the body rub. It was mechanical, and she didn't seem too into it. She didn't speak much at all, not that I am a chatterbox either. It could be that we just didn't click, but I will probably not repeat.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/working-late-my-candy-shop-is-extremely-hot-bring-your-lollipop/12715432[/URL]
Was there anything else one the menu?
[QUOTE=KeepingUtr;2429873]I saw her the other day. It took several tries over several days before I got an answer. She is working out the the location that "Rachel Love" was using. The place is safe of course, and there weren't too many people out the day I went. Princess is petite, small breasts, and has a cute butt.
The only problem really was the body rub. It was mechanical, and she didn't seem too into it. She didn't speak much at all, not that I am a chatterbox either. It could be that we just didn't click, but I will probably not repeat.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/working-late-my-candy-shop-is-extremely-hot-bring-your-lollipop/12715432[/URL][/QUOTE]
Noticed a couple of interesting things about Vanessa's ad's on BP. First, she has two different recently ad's with different numbers. And the account that posted the earlier ad also posted several ad's of different girls. Does that mean she has a manager?
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-new-in-town/12604165[/URL]
[QUOTE=BioTeck;2418391]Vanessa (Sonya who posted w Callie recently) is an awesome lady and date. She's not about drugs, no pimp, etc just someone who will only be around a short time til she's back on her feet from some recent setbacks. I Saw her 6 wks ago and had an awesome date, no clock watching, good conversation. IMO while she's not a long time pro (which I like) she like anyone else is comfortable with some things and some things not so much. She's p411 quality person on BP.
As for your situation boss she told me about it 3-4 hrs ago and how she was scared because after you rightly bolted and she agreed with your decision the one thug walked in her room uninvited cause her door was left open and he started verbally messing with her and she told his ass to leave and he finally did. She called and reported them and security ran them off.
Vanessa is a great person and very attractive.
Thanks for not only reporting your concerns but also showing she's not a player and how she followed up with you like a pro.
Bioteck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pheng;2430151]Noticed a couple of interesting things about Vanessa's ad's on BP. First, she has two different recently ad's with different numbers. And the account that posted the earlier ad also posted several ad's of different girls. Does that mean she has a manager?
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-new-in-town/12604165[/URL][/QUOTE]Those ads are a couple of weeks apart, so she could've just picked up a new burner after realizing that she's getting too many calls on her personal phone. I know from experience with Winter that that happens. Plus she has had a couple of reviews from guide members.
[QUOTE=JohnGrow;2430488]Those ads are a couple of weeks apart, so she could've just picked up a new burner after realizing that she's getting too many calls on her personal phone. I know from experience with Winter that that happens. Plus she has had a couple of reviews from guide members.[/QUOTE]The first ad listed with tele # ending in 0964 is her current number. The other number was a phone she had borrowed and put minutes on but quit using that phone and gave it back and got her own phone. She does not have a handler and is independent. She has recently been sharing a room with 2-3 different girls to help share expenses.
I met up with Vanessa the other night. She is legit.
She is the girl in the pics. I only opted for the hh. She said she thought that she was sick, so no BJ. She also said no cg at all, and no daty on first visit. Everything covered. She seems like a nice girl, and she is talkative, which I don't mind too much.
I will put her in the maybe column for me right now. As always, YMMV.
[QUOTE=Pheng;2430151]Noticed a couple of interesting things about Vanessa's ad's on BP. First, she has two different recently ad's with different numbers. And the account that posted the earlier ad also posted several ad's of different girls. Does that mean she has a manager?
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-something-unexpected-901-692-0694/12654545[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/vanessa-new-in-town/12604165[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wane1;2429285]Since my go to place Lilly's closed I'm in search of somewhere new. I know of Satin Touch. Is she the only worker there? I'm not particularly interested in spinners. I'm mainly interested in ebony providers or white busty ones that don't discriminate. Anyone know of any in escort section that provide massages that I may have missed. Any thoughts on these would be appreciated. PM me or leave reply on board.
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/i-do-the-body-good/7738839[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/escape-to-paradisean-amazing-sensation-awaits-you/6964861[/URL]
[URL]http://memphis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/professional-licensed-massage-therapy/8514346[/URL][/QUOTE]I have had a few decent body rubs, but they usually run about $150 for the h and $100 for the hh, and usually it is performed on a bed which is horribly uncomfortable to me. There is a lady named Danni that comes through town. She supposedly has her own table, and that my friend is a plus. But no matter how decent the body rub is, for $150, one just has to wonder if it is worth it, and for me it is not. That is why I liked Lilly's Spa. That was like a body rub massage hybrid, and they were ebony ladies, and they looked good, and they gave good rubs. I hear this Sophia lady is supposed to give decent massages, but I have not been to her. Although, I think her ad said no Blacks.
Looks like another new place opening up in east Memphis. This one is near the Fox and Hound.
[QUOTE=BossHawg;2431376]I have had a few decent body rubs, but they usually run about $150 for the h and $100 for the hh, and usually it is performed on a bed which is horribly uncomfortable to me. There is a lady named Danni that comes through town. She supposedly has her own table, and that my friend is a plus. But no matter how decent the body rub is, for $150, one just has to wonder if it is worth it, and for me it is not. That is why I liked Lilly's Spa. That was like a body rub massage hybrid, and they were ebony ladies, and they looked good, and they gave good rubs. I hear this Sophia lady is supposed to give decent massages, but I have not been to her. Although, I think her ad said no Blacks.[/QUOTE]I agree that Lilly's provided a much needed service and setting. I was reliably concerned about going there because of how openly they advertised the location and services. I also assumed that it was Lilly's advertising that drew the attention of the law. But, I am just guessing about that. Does anyone know the real story about what brought the place down?
[QUOTE=Idigress;2433595]I agree that Lilly's provided a much needed service and setting. I was reliably concerned about going there because of how openly they advertised the location and services. I also assumed that it was Lilly's advertising that drew the attention of the law. But, I am just guessing about that. Does anyone know the real story about what brought the place down?[/QUOTE]I would assume that it was just like you said. They drew a lot of attention to themselves offering services other than a little helping hand and LEO saw it as a prostitution sting. Its just like cruising for streetwalkers, ever now and then LEO sets up undercover to bust our providers like they did up her in Jackson and that is the same thing that happened to Lilly's. I personally never went there, but if I had the chance I probably would stopped by.