Not sure why this question arises! Local patrons were mixed crowd of all races. So to answer your question, No they don't have a problem.
[QUOTE=SirDrDunk;2966144]My question is do they have a problem with the brothers.[/QUOTE]
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Not sure why this question arises! Local patrons were mixed crowd of all races. So to answer your question, No they don't have a problem.
[QUOTE=SirDrDunk;2966144]My question is do they have a problem with the brothers.[/QUOTE]
I was in Baltimore this weekend and decided to visit The Block for the 2nd time ever (the first was years ago to see pornstar Cherokee D'Ass perform).
I made my trip around 8 PM. My first stop was Hustler. $8 cover charge that included a wristband for re-entry. As far as patrons, it was pretty empty but a lot of pretty dancers walked around. A busty girl on stage caught my eye. Her name's Unique. We made small talk that eventually led to me agreeing to a 5-for-$85 in the VIP. Unique gave a very enthusiastic lap dance, however I noticed she wasn't very "hands-on" and grabby with certain areas. After it was over I bought a drink and watched a more stage dances. A couple of other dancers sat with me but I declined any more VIP. Hustler offers either a 2-for-$40 or 5-for-$85. After a while I left to see what else was on The Block.
Next was Norma Jeans. No cover charge. It wasn't crowded either. Most of the guys I saw were playing pool. There was one girl on stage. I sat at the bar but wasn't feelin' it. It was probably too early in the evening. I tipped one stripper who twerked on my back to get my attention. I didn't stay long.
My last stop was Red Room. Again, no cover charge. I made contact with a busty black dancer who was on stage and she made her way over to me. Her name's Ariana. We were making small talk and she seemed real friendly. She explained the two VIP sections: one for dances, one for "extra" entertainment. Damn at the Baltimore prices! If I remember correctly: A VIP dance for 30 min would be $110 to the club plus any tip for the dancer. A VIP "extras" room would be $185 for the club and $150 for the dancer. I declined both. Ariana asked me to buy her a drink for $25. I've RTFF so I expected it but I still don't understand Baltimore's SC culture of buying drinks. Apparently that's all it took for her to get closer and hug and rub all over me. I wasn't sure how far my drink was supposed to take things but it led to me agreeing to the 30-min $110 VIP dance. Big mistake. The VIP dance was sectioned off by a beaded curtain. Ariana gave one of the laziest lap dances ever. She spent most of the time trying to convince me it wasn't too late to go in the next room. She was willing to work with me as long as she got over $100. I couldn't do it. For all of this money I could get a GFE provider in a hotel. I'm not sure we went a full 30-min but I was glad the dance was over. I tipped her. 6. Lesson learned.
Afterwards I left The Block. I had done enough damage to my wallet.
I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me!
[QUOTE=GregIsLong;2979011]I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me![/QUOTE]That is truly depressing. Had a lot of fun and killed a lot of brain cells there over the years-almost 30. Still have the memories. Ran between there and Lucky Spirits many a night. There is another gone establishment I really miss. Lets not forget Gail's. Man, now I just want to cry. May have to head down there right now!
[QUOTE=GregIsLong;2979011]I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me![/QUOTE]Sounds like an investment opportunity. I need to catch up with lolipop anyway.
[QUOTE=Waahoo;2979229]That is truly depressing. Had a lot of fun and killed a lot of brain cells there over the years-almost 30. Still have the memories. Ran between there and Lucky Spirits many a night. There is another gone establishment I really miss. Lets not forget Gail's. Man, now I just want to cry. May have to head down there right now![/QUOTE]Couldn't resist. Happy 4th!
[URL]http://baltimore.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/all-american-blonde-haired-beauty/14294563[/URL]
Looks like another ex haven chick is turning pro.
B. D.
[QUOTE=JoeBlowDC;2979847]Couldn't resist. Happy 4th![/QUOTE]Yes, this is a tough audience. Wouldn't expect any less from my fellow knuckleheads. Sarcasm and smart ass are my personal favorites! We need to find out the last day and take this place out in style! Who's with me!
Celebrate the haven half century, say when. ?
[QUOTE=GregIsLong;2979011]I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bdls73;2981266][URL]http://baltimore.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/all-american-blonde-haired-beauty/14294563[/URL]
Looks like another ex haven chick is turning pro.
B. D.[/QUOTE]Is that Mandy? I can't tell.
[QUOTE=Bdls73;2981266][URL]http://baltimore.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/all-american-blonde-haired-beauty/14294563[/URL]
Looks like another ex haven chick is turning pro.
B. D.[/QUOTE]Has anyone hooked up with her?
[QUOTE=Yoyo1234;2981664]Is that Mandy? I can't tell.[/QUOTE]It looks like Mandy to me.
[QUOTE=OskarM;2981789]It looks like Mandy to me.[/QUOTE]Anyone visit her can confirm its her?
[QUOTE=GregIsLong;2979011]I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me![/QUOTE]This doesn't surprise me. The owner (I will keep his name private) has been having health problems. While he was out his wife dropped by the bar and caught a dancer and customer during a "VIP session" in the basement and she was quite upset about it.
[QUOTE=Yoyo1234;2982456]Anyone visit her can confirm its her?[/QUOTE]Took one for the team but I was slick! Nowhere near girl in pic. I was expecting Mandy and got a too skinny woman who looked like she's been picking at her face. I said I left my wallet in car and didn't look back. And then she texted me asking why I didn't go back. Really? She went by name Amber.
A pretty good show all in all. Rob was his typical whiny self, begging the girls to work the customers better (read, make him money). Two of the dancers were into each other and would dance together when it was one of their turns. They were actually 69 ing on stage and made for good viewing. Nikki looked good and I had a drink with her blonde friend. The dancer who actually caught my eye was a very pretty brunette with a large tattoo on her lower back and side. REALLY good dancer and a cute figure. She wore bright pink stripper shoes, so if anyone has a name or information, I would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance. Stay safe and have fun.
Jim.
[QUOTE=GameOva;2978728]I was in Baltimore this weekend and decided to visit The Block for the 2nd time ever (the first was years ago to see pornstar Cherokee D'Ass perform).
I made my trip around 8 PM. My first stop was Hustler. $8 cover charge that included a wristband for re-entry. As far as patrons, it was pretty empty but a lot of pretty dancers walked around. A busty girl on stage caught my eye. Her name's Unique. We made small talk that eventually led to me agreeing to a 5-for-$85 in the VIP. Unique gave a very enthusiastic lap dance, however I noticed she wasn't very "hands-on" and grabby with certain areas. After it was over I bought a drink and watched a more stage dances. A couple of other dancers sat with me but I declined any more VIP. Hustler offers either a 2-for-$40 or 5-for-$85. After a while I left to see what else was on The Block.
Next was Norma Jeans. No cover charge. It wasn't crowded either. Most of the guys I saw were playing pool. There was one girl on stage. I sat at the bar but wasn't feelin' it. It was probably too early in the evening. I tipped one stripper who twerked on my back to get my attention. I didn't stay long.
My last stop was Red Room. Again, no cover charge. I made contact with a busty black dancer who was on stage and she made her way over to me. Her name's Ariana. We were making small talk and she seemed real friendly. She explained the two VIP sections: one for dances, one for "extra" entertainment. Damn at the Baltimore prices! If I remember correctly: A VIP dance for 30 min would be $110 to the club plus any tip for the dancer. A VIP "extras" room would be $185 for the club and $150 for the dancer. I declined both. Ariana asked me to buy her a drink for $25. I've RTFF so I expected it but I still don't understand Baltimore's SC culture of buying drinks. Apparently that's all it took for her to get closer and hug and rub all over me. I wasn't sure how far my drink was supposed to take things but it led to me agreeing to the 30-min $110 VIP dance. Big mistake. The VIP dance was sectioned off by a beaded curtain. Ariana gave one of the laziest lap dances ever. She spent most of the time trying to convince me it wasn't too late to go in the next room. She was willing to work with me as long as she got over $100. I couldn't do it. For all of this money I could get a GFE provider in a hotel. I'm not sure we went a full 30-min but I was glad the dance was over. I tipped her. 6. Lesson learned.
Afterwards I left The Block. I had done enough damage to my wallet.[/QUOTE]So I thought I comment.
Hustler is a waste of time, girls will tease you and take your money. 85 for lap dances, wow. When you go to other places on the block, redroom club pussyycat, etc. What is best to do is make small talk, tip for stage dances when the girl is done and she is making her rounds. Girls will come by to talk. Talk until you are asked to buy a drink, but don't buy a drink for the girl. This is just another way they make money from you, and this is not needed.
Ask the girl about VIP room, some have private rooms with a sofa, ask price, does it include all? Club will try to get 110. But I have gotten VIP room with price to club being 65, when they are slow, 65 better then nothing. Negotiate, tell the girl you only have xxx amount of money, so the club needs to lower price. Tell the girl you rather give her the money instead of this going to the club, sometimes girl will provide takeout, however that has risk, such as you can be set up and robbed. Just know, price you are quoted, can be negotiated, say, you only have 150, or 130, but want VIP. Some girls will make this happen, some will just say get more money and return. I don't think it is worth paying more money for 30 minutes when you can go to hotel and see a BP girl for less money. Last thing, some strippers in daylight, don't look as beautiful and are older then you thought, BP girls have reviews whereas most strippers you just hope for the best.
I stopped by Red Room as my ATF at Club Pussycat was busy. Went down walked around and got a drink. Then cute brunette (Nichole) walks over sits next to me. We make small talk, I buy her a drink then she starts touching my inner thigh and the general. She offered LD for $. 11 and $. 6 tip with head and CIM and then VIP for $. 2 and $. 1 tip. Went for the VIP, she was hot. Had a great session. Probably will repeat but I think I could have lowers the $. New to this so will need to learn more haggling skills. Can anyone recommend anywhere where I can get a better deal and how to approach?
Thanks.
You're describing the lap dance area, not the VIP Room.
[QUOTE=GameOva;2978728]I was in Baltimore this weekend and decided to visit The Block for the 2nd time ever (the first was years ago to see pornstar Cherokee D'Ass perform).
I made my trip around 8 PM. My first stop was Hustler. $8 cover charge that included a wristband for re-entry. As far as patrons, it was pretty empty but a lot of pretty dancers walked around. A busty girl on stage caught my eye. Her name's Unique. We made small talk that eventually led to me agreeing to a 5-for-$85 in the VIP. Unique gave a very enthusiastic lap dance, however I noticed she wasn't very "hands-on" and grabby with certain areas. After it was over I bought a drink and watched a more stage dances. A couple of other dancers sat with me but I declined any more VIP. Hustler offers either a 2-for-$40 or 5-for-$85. After a while I left to see what else was on The Block.
Next was Norma Jeans. No cover charge. It wasn't crowded either. Most of the guys I saw were playing pool. There was one girl on stage. I sat at the bar but wasn't feelin' it. It was probably too early in the evening. I tipped one stripper who twerked on my back to get my attention. I didn't stay long.
My last stop was Red Room. Again, no cover charge. I made contact with a busty black dancer who was on stage and she made her way over to me. Her name's Ariana. We were making small talk and she seemed real friendly. She explained the two VIP sections: one for dances, one for "extra" entertainment. Damn at the Baltimore prices! If I remember correctly: A VIP dance for 30 min would be $110 to the club plus any tip for the dancer. A VIP "extras" room would be $185 for the club and $150 for the dancer. I declined both. Ariana asked me to buy her a drink for $25. I've RTFF so I expected it but I still don't understand Baltimore's SC culture of buying drinks. Apparently that's all it took for her to get closer and hug and rub all over me. I wasn't sure how far my drink was supposed to take things but it led to me agreeing to the 30-min $110 VIP dance. Big mistake. The VIP dance was sectioned off by a beaded curtain. Ariana gave one of the laziest lap dances ever. She spent most of the time trying to convince me it wasn't too late to go in the next room. She was willing to work with me as long as she got over $100. I couldn't do it. For all of this money I could get a GFE provider in a hotel. I'm not sure we went a full 30-min but I was glad the dance was over. I tipped her. 6. Lesson learned.
Afterwards I left The Block. I had done enough damage to my wallet.[/QUOTE]
Was in the part town where The Goddess is situated. Since had time and resources thus thought of paying in Obeisance to some of the Goddesses there.
There was. 05 door fees, once inside did sighted ample number of divinities in esthetical attires. One of them named Jaquline was kind enough to give me.
A run down about the offerings and blessings.
30 for a lap dance in general area, . 20 for a drink to the ladies, . 08 drink for me!
And then VIP upstair 1. 6 for the house plus tip to the performer for 15 minutes.
Stayed there for about an hour, talked to few and bought drinks for some. I like this young bar tender more than the dancers, she had this a bit of asian.
Look but was purely from this part of the world though. All in all good experience.
Has anyone had some fun in ritz?? I know take out is available but anyone have luck in there? If so expense??
About a year ago one of the nicer looking girls at this club told me the blond who manages the club (I think most of you know which club I'm talking about) was telling all the girls to look out for me. That I only occasionally bought drinks (which is true) so that I could give my phone number out to the girls so I could get TO. (Which I have, but only very rarely.) Now I've found out that this person has told the bartenders and door guys the same thing. The first thing that came to my mind was what a ***** (and that's still the first, second, and third things that comes to mind). Now mind you if I was the only person who ever did that, I could see that she was "protecting" her girls from and evil sexual predator. But in fact I know that like every other club on the block, TO is available from this club. In my mind she is not trying to look out for "her girls", but she is only looking out for herself and for her income. She is trying to keep money for herself and the club (the club earns a considerable amount of money from insider the club. Think $2 or more for 15 minutes in the VIP), or she is trying to keep from being charged with promoting, or she is trying to keep from losing her liq license (which is the source of all her income). On the other hand I've been coming there for years (or more), so I think it should be pretty clear that I'm not LE. It's one thing to say something to the girls about me (that only makes her a little *****) but to bad mouth me to the bartenders and customers, well that makes her a BIG *****. Now I realize I can only vote with my wallet here and I will do that, but I was curious if she has done this to anyone else? If she is, we might consider picking a day of the week (like a Wed for example, when there's not a 2 for 1 (which benefits us) and to not go into the club at all.
One Man is right about protecting income. It is a business for the owner and a job for the bartender. Nothing else.
You can expect the owners and bar tenders to do everything to make money for the bar and the bar tender. They aren't really looking out for their girls. If you get take out from their bar, they see that as money you could have spent in the bar. Take out eliminates the bartender and owner cuts. Expect it to be discouraged. I've been going to the block for almost 40 years and it has always been that way. There have been a few cases where the bartender is OK with takeout, but that is not typical. And yes, the bartenders and owners know it happens all the time.
[QUOTE=OneMan;3008333]About a year ago one of the nicer looking girls at this club told me the blond who manages the club (I think most of you know which club I'm talking about) was telling all the girls to look out for me. That I only occasionally bought drinks (which is true) so that I could give my phone number out to the girls so I could get TO. (Which I have, but only very rarely.) Now I've found out that this person has told the bartenders and door guys the same thing. The first thing that came to my mind was what a ***** (and that's still the first, second, and third things that comes to mind). Now mind you if I was the only person who ever did that, I could see that she was "protecting" her girls from and evil sexual predator. But in fact I know that like every other club on the block, TO is available from this club. In my mind she is not trying to look out for "her girls", but she is only looking out for herself and for her income. She is trying to keep money for herself and the club (the club earns a considerable amount of money from insider the club. Think $2 or more for 15 minutes in the VIP), or she is trying to keep from being charged with promoting, or she is trying to keep from losing her liq license (which is the source of all her income). On the other hand I've been coming there for years (or more), so I think it should be pretty clear that I'm not LE. It's one thing to say something to the girls about me (that only makes her a little *****) but to bad mouth me to the bartenders and customers, well that makes her a BIG *****. Now I realize I can only vote with my wallet here and I will do that, but I was curious if she has done this to anyone else? If she is, we might consider picking a day of the week (like a Wed for example, when there's not a 2 for 1 (which benefits us) and to not go into the club at all.[/QUOTE]This could be a self fulfilling prophecy for the manager, which would benefit you. In other words, if she tells the girls that you only want take out, then the girls that don't do take out will self segregate themselves and not be bothered with you. Conversely, if you go in on the right slow night, then the girls looking to make some money will know that you are a viable option. At least you don't have to bs or pussy foot about what you want when you go to the club.
I wanted to find out which is better to visit, Harem or Chez Joe? Can anyone help with some info? I like Caucasian chicks with blond, brunette or red head. Also what damage can I expect for a VIP if it's available?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=HotAttitude;3010926]I wanted to find out which is better to visit, Harem or Chez Joe? Can anyone help with some info? I like Caucasian chicks with blond, brunette or red head. Also what damage can I expect for a VIP if it's available?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Chez Joe in a while, but I've been to Harem recently. Samantha is a tall skinny redhead with a cute face and body. VIP anywhere on The Block is pretty steep. Includes a fee to the bar and a tip for the girl. Each fee is about $. 1 to $. 15. The fee's vary from club to club and girl to girl. It also depends on the time of day. You can usually get a discount on the bar fee if the place is empty.
Or you can see if the girl does takeout.
[QUOTE=SamEyeAm;3011259]I haven't been to Chez Joe in a while, but I've been to Harem recently. Samantha is a tall skinny redhead with a cute face and body. VIP anywhere on The Block is pretty steep. Includes a fee to the bar and a tip for the girl. Each fee is about $. 1 to $. 15. The fee's vary from club to club and girl to girl. It also depends on the time of day. You can usually get a discount on the bar fee if the place is empty.
Or you can see if the girl does takeout.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll report back on my experience.
Just spent the week in Baltimore. Had an OK time right up until the last night. I had arranged TO with a girl named KLA at the h club. When we got together I picked her up at the hotel she was staying at. She asked me to front her $40 to pay for her hotel. I did that and then she went back to her room to "get her purse". After that she didn't come back out and didn't respond to any texts. Not being one who bangs on doors in the middle of the night someplace I'm not familiar with and cussing someone out I left. But. The next time you run into her and she asks you to buy her a drink, do me a favor. Tell her you'd really like to but she took / stole $40 from a friend so you're going to buy a drink from somebody else. If a few of you do that, maybe she get the message that it's not OK to rip off one person because pissing off 1 person really won't hurt her in the long run.
Yea, I know I was being naive, you don't need to jump on me about that. What can I say, I've gotten through life always giving almost everyone the benefit of the doubt at least once (but never twice).
Any word at the changes at PC? Can any fun still be had?
[QUOTE=DoeSurfer;3009647]This could be a self fulfilling prophecy for the manager, which would benefit you. In other words, if she tells the girls that you only want take out, then the girls that don't do take out will self segregate themselves and not be bothered with you. Conversely, if you go in on the right slow night, then the girls looking to make some money will know that you are a viable option. At least you don't have to bs or pussy foot about what you want when you go to the club.[/QUOTE]I concur 100% Doesurfer. The girls do talk about the patrons amongst themselves. If you had takeout with one girl there and you treated her well, she will do one of two things. She will keep you for herself or she will tell her girlfriend or girlfriends about you as a patron and they will want to date you on takeout. Of course they will probably discreetly slide their number to you. They may briefly whisper in your ear while the bartender's back is turned that they are available. I wouldn't sweat it buddy, unless you are asked to leave.
Propilot-Always check your six.
[QUOTE=AlterEgo4401;3012769]Any word at the changes at PC? Can any fun still be had?[/QUOTE]Changes are minor to the lapdance area. You can still do almost anything in the VIP rooms.
I saw this redhead Caucasian at redroom last Friday, looked really hot. Couldn't spend time with her coz she was busy. Anyone know who she is? Or can anyone tell me where else any redhead Caucasians work? Really into redheads for some reason. Well on my last visit went to harem but all girls were busy with other patrons so went to redroom, chatted with Jackie, she was cute a bit drunk I think. But cute, we ended up going for a lapdance and had a lot of fun, no one else was in the lapdance area so we were very comfortable!
[QUOTE=GregIsLong;2979011]I'm being told that Haven may close their doors for good. I do not have a date but I heard it from Kathy (Butch hair, fake breast). Something about the owner giving up on the business. I was trying to go there because its the safest place to "Get it in" with one of the strippers. I don't know who to talk to so I can get "intimate" with one of the strippers. So far Lolipop and some plus-size chick has been confirmed as "For sale".
Please help me![/QUOTE]I hope it is not closing. I have been going there off and on for about 20 years.
[QUOTE=HotAttitude;3016010]I saw this redhead Caucasian at redroom last Friday, looked really hot. Couldn't spend time with her coz she was busy. Anyone know who she is? Or can anyone tell me where else any redhead Caucasians work? Really into redheads for some reason. Well on my last visit went to harem but all girls were busy with other patrons so went to redroom, chatted with Jackie, she was cute a bit drunk I think. But cute, we ended up going for a lapdance and had a lot of fun, no one else was in the lapdance area so we were very comfortable![/QUOTE]On the "outdated info, but I'll give it a shot" front, there was a former blockette who worked at the Big Easy that was a redhead- her digits didn't work and she was gone when I went back a month later (I'm going to say this was two years ago, but it could've been a bit longer), but she was in my Top Three All-Time Head List. The info that keeps this from being a COMPLETELY useless post is that she had a large tattoo of a baby's face on her upper arm. If it turns out to be her, let us know!
Was out and about got bored and decided to do some club hopping. Went down the block dead, tried the haven club brother stuck out cool little atmosphere well went to sherry's nice girls and guess who run into I don't know if you guys remember Dakota that used to dance down the block she was there and she thick now too she remembered me told she was giving me her number but I left hit before on take out so I already had it.
A few years back there was this sweet little thing at the ritz named Dawn with a rack that wouldn't stop. Does anyone know if she is still there or where she maybe dancing now. Man I miss that rack.
Hey guys there was a sexy dark hair dancer white at the ritz that went by Dawn. It's been years does anyone know if she still works there or where she at these days. She had the best rack I have ever seen. I ran into her in Essex a few days ago but couoldnt talk since I had the ball and chain with me but seeing those D's bring back so many memories.
I found out today that Little Darlings is closed. When did this happen and why?
[QUOTE=SpermGun20;3018169]I hope it is not closing. I have been going there off and on for about 20 years.[/QUOTE]I hope they don't close as well. And, if it gets sold, it will never be the same. I know that the longtime bartender Brandy has left. There is some discrepancy as to whether she was fired or left on her own. I know that many dancers have had issues with her over the years, as well as many customers. I think the owner and manager (I'm sure you know their names), just got tired of her Prima Donna attitude.
[QUOTE=ShadowBK;3021278]I found out today that Little Darlings is closed. When did this happen and why?[/QUOTE]Don't think anything shady, they simply never were able to draw any type of crowd. LD is usually the black club in cities, but in Baltimore, you already had 4 such clubs right there (Kings, 2 O, Norma's and the one around the corner), yet because it was staffed mainly with African American girls, usually white patrons stayed away. Too bad, because you could have a nice time, but I must have gone 10 times over the years, and NEVER saw more than 5 dancers and 10 customers.