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[QUOTE=DelToro;4925237]We met at a coffee stand near her place, we proceed to get to her place, we kissed I played with her tits, she ask for the arrangement I was, sure.

She put the money away.

I undressed, she asked for condoms, I had some she said she is allergic to latex, we need to go get condoms. I dress up, we go to the local store, at the entrance she told me, "I am not allowed in there, you get them, I wait here".

I then told her, "I do not like this, lets go back to your place and give me back my money" We went back she tried to close the door on me (its a tiny little house in an alley) I did not allow her, I was just give me my money and I am out, she said, get out I want to go to the the bathroom and then I will come out and give you your money, I said fuck no, I said again just give me my money and I am out, she then went pass me and walk into the Mechanic Workshop across the alley to ask for help from her neighbors, I said alright and let her back into her place, she locked the door and I left.

I am still considering sending a couple of seedy individuals to rough her and her boyfriend up and collect my money (I saw evidence of a male occupant in the house). Is not the amount of money is the principle.

Her place reeked of 420.

WK if you wish, I am a straight shooter here and I am not going to lie.[/QUOTE]No, I'm not White Knighting, just wanted to know what was up. Like I said, I blocked her, but she never seemed to interested in money (at least in my case). I just want to know if I did the right thing. I don't know if she was playing the long game with me or what, she seemed straight to me, but I've been fucked over before. Her brother owns the property that she lives on and has guns so be careful.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4925244]No, I'm not White Knighting, just wanted to know what was up. Like I said, I blocked her, but she never seemed to interested in money (at least in my case). I just want to know if I did the right thing. I don't know if she was playing the long game with me or what, she seemed straight to me, but I've been fucked over before. Her brother owns the property that she lives on and has guns so be careful.[/QUOTE]She is bad news.

Most likely I would just let it go.

I am pissed right now as it happened this morning but is not worth it.

Is just the first time that I have been robbed out of the like 4 times in my 15+ years of being in the hobby, (providers and SBs) that I actually have the chance to retaliate as I know where she lives but I would just take it as a one more lesson and let it go.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4925237]We met at a coffee stand near her place, we proceed to get to her place, we kissed I played with her tits, she ask for the arrangement I was, sure.

She put the money away.

I undressed, she asked for condoms, I had some she said she is allergic to latex, we need to go get condoms. I dress up, we go to the local store, at the entrance she told me, "I am not allowed in there, you get them, I wait here".

I then told her, "I do not like this, lets go back to your place and give me back my money" We went back she tried to close the door on me (its a tiny little house in an alley) I did not allow her, I was just give me my money and I am out, she said, get out I want to go to the the bathroom and then I will come out and give you your money, I said fuck no, I said again just give me my money and I am out, she then went pass me and walk towards the Mechanic Workshop across the alley to ask for help from her neighbors, I said alright and let her back into her place, she locked the door and I left.

I am still considering sending a couple of seedy individuals to rough her and her boyfriend up and collect my money (I saw evidence of a male occupant in the house). Is not the amount of money is the principle.

Her place reeked of 420.

WK if you wish, I am a straight shooter here and I have no reason to lie[/QUOTE]Quiet a meetup. Sorry to hear that DT. Sounds like a terrible time. Women who pull this shit, get away with it for a while, then they meet that one guy who does not just walk away and teaches her a lesson she will not soon forget.

That explains why she went silent via text messages when I asked about no condom. She wouldn't have a pretext to take me out of her place and rob me LOL.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4925237]We met at a coffee stand near her place, we proceed to get to her place, we kissed I played with her tits, she ask for the arrangement I was, sure.

She put the money away.

I undressed, she asked for condoms, I had some she said she is allergic to latex, we need to go get condoms. I dress up, we go to the local store, at the entrance she told me, "I am not allowed in there, you get them, I wait here".

I then told her, "I do not like this, lets go back to your place and give me back my money" We went back she tried to close the door on me (its a tiny little house in an alley) I did not allow her, I was just give me my money and I am out, she said, get out I want to go to the the bathroom and then I will come out and give you your money, I said fuck no, I said again just give me my money and I am out, she then went pass me and walk towards the Mechanic Workshop across the alley to ask for help from her neighbors, I said alright and let her back into her place, she locked the door and I left.

I am still considering sending a couple of seedy individuals to rough her and her boyfriend up and collect my money (I saw evidence of a male occupant in the house). Is not the amount of money is the principle.

Her place reeked of 420.

WK if you wish, I am a straight shooter here and I have no reason to lie[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;4925354]Quiet a meetup. Sorry to hear that DT. Sounds like a terrible time. Women who pull this shit, get away with it for a while, then they meet that one guy who does not just walk away and teaches her a lesson she will not soon forget.[/QUOTE]She repeatedly told me she prefers men over 50. It's also in her ad. I wonder if it's because men over 50 probably won't retaliate if robbed. I already ghosted and blocked her, but saved her number just in case I changed my mind. I'll just delete her. For the record, she was more than happy with $300. Hopefully you didn't lose more.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4925057]Well my second SA rob in three years.

I was at her place and step out to call the neighbors. I just left, not worth it.

There was some hints that she was a pro (con) from our texting but I chose to ignore them.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/68cf3401-f1bc-41fc-96dc-a885a9b02e3a[/URL][/QUOTE]If I read this last part on her posting, " If you are looking to pay just for sex; I. E a prostitute or hooker don't even send me a message. "; I would have steered clear of her.

[QUOTE=EazyDuzit2;4926301]If I read this last part on her posting, " If you are looking to pay just for sex; I. E a prostitute or hooker don't even send me a message. "; I would have steered clear of her.[/QUOTE]Nearly all of the girls on SA and other sites don't think of themselves as ****** and would be greatly offended being characterized as such. Even though they are opening their legs or mouths for your money.

Basically it is just a harmless game that you have to play along with.

Lately I have had a tough time with arrangement girls, and it is largely my own fault. I strongly prefer to screen them pretty thoroughly and have a meet-and-greet before we get down to the real deal. So I'd usually meet them at a Starbuck's or a fairly nice restaurant (better than Red Robin or Applebee's but not so fancy as Canlis) and just chat with them. In the worst case I am out $40 or so for sharing a meal with a girl who is at least moderately attractive. However with the covid this whole approach kinda goes out the window. However, that screening is the reason I've been sugar dating for almost fifteen years and have had relatively few serious disasters.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4925793]For the record, she was more than happy with $300. Hopefully you didn't lose more.[/QUOTE]Yeah I lost less than that.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;4926356] I strongly prefer to screen them pretty thoroughly and have a meet-and-greet before we get down to the real deal. So I'd usually meet them at a Starbuck's or a fairly nice restaurant (better than Red Robin or Applebee's but not so fancy as Canlis) and just chat with them. In the worst case I am out $40 or so for sharing a meal with a girl who is at least moderately attractive. [/QUOTE]I usually do a M&G followed by fucking. Just doing the M&G to do the fucking some other day is just not optimal for me, as my time is very valuable, with the money I will loose with a pure M&G is just not worth it just for a tighter screening. I rather have a bad experience every couple of years than taking twice as much time to get to fuck a new SB. As I do fuck 2-3 new SBs every month.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4926557]Yeah I lost less than that.

[/QUOTE]I need to come down on my offers. $300 for a PPM is what I'm comfortable with, but it seems like everyone else I know is paying less.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4926803]I need to come down on my offers. $300 for a PPM is what I'm comfortable with, but it seems like everyone else I know is paying less.[/QUOTE]300 is my absolute max, but they need to host, be quite attractive and offer what I like.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4926850]300 is my absolute max, but they need to host, be quite attractive and offer what I like.[/QUOTE]Same. Seems like a lot of guys treat SBs differently but I learned a hard lesson a long time ago about letting providers into your house. Won't be doing that again.

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;4926916]Same. Seems like a lot of guys treat SBs differently but I learned a hard lesson a long time ago about letting providers into your house. Won't be doing that again.[/QUOTE]On an incall, if the provider / SB tries something funky you are in disadvantage because you are on an unfamiliar setting, but if things go wrong if you do not fight for the money, you would be able to leave and that is the end of the story. If something funky happens at your place, as she (they) know where you live things could go wrong for a long time.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4927019]On an incall, if the provider / SB tries something funky you are in disadvantage because you are on an unfamiliar setting, but if things go wrong if you do not fight for the money, you would be able to leave and that is the end of the story. If something funky happens at your place, as she (they) know where you live things could go wrong for a long time.[/QUOTE]I'm now very, very careful about what I let them know. I had one just waltz into my business once, she just wanted to see what I did and check out the office. That was the last time I saw her. Another somehow found me on Facebook and wanted to be my Facebook friend. Nope. So, I'm a little less open about myself than I used to be.

As far as bringing hookers home. Nope, they just scope out your place so their friends can rob it later. The few times I did it was like many years ago, I used to drive them around in circles and through random neighborhoods so they couldn't find where we were. Now there is GPS on the phone, they simply push a button and it tells them where they are. If they really had bad intentions they can have other phones track them and then casually leave the door unlocked and have someone rob you while you're in the act.

Anybody know a way around their checks? I was suspended a few months ago just tried signing up again with another CC and auto suspended. They didn't charge my card just automatically suspended. I'm going to guess its tied to my name.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;4927247]Anybody know a way around their checks? I was suspended a few months ago just tried signing up again with another CC and auto suspended. They didn't charge my card just automatically suspended. I'm going to guess its tied to my name.[/QUOTE]International gift card, VPN.

Does any body knows anything about this one? I suspect she is an escort. I am in conversation with her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aa040613-087d-447c-a450-26cb3f04d12e[/URL]

Thanks.

Got these from an sb I was seeing recently and her profile is now gone. I wanted to know if anyone else has seen her.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;4927247]Anybody know a way around their checks? I was suspended a few months ago just tried signing up again with another CC and auto suspended. They didn't charge my card just automatically suspended. I'm going to guess its tied to my name.[/QUOTE]It's tied to email, I think.

[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4929011]It's tied to email, I think.[/QUOTE]It use to be tied to email. I got banned like a year and a half ago and changed emails hid IP address and I went back in, this time I did the same plus used a different Credit card and auto banned. They had to have changed it so it went towards the name on the Card. Getting a Prepaid visa and just use a made up name and address might be the only work around.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4927113]I'm now very, very careful about what I let them know. I had one just waltz into my business once, she just wanted to see what I did and check out the office. That was the last time I saw her. Another somehow found me on Facebook and wanted to be my Facebook friend. Nope. So, I'm a little less open about myself than I used to be.

As far as bringing hookers home. Nope, they just scope out your place so their friends can rob it later. The few times I did it was like many years ago, I used to drive them around in circles and through random neighborhoods so they couldn't find where we were. Now there is GPS on the phone, they simply push a button and it tells them where they are. If they really had bad intentions they can have other phones track them and then casually leave the door unlocked and have someone rob you while you're in the act.[/QUOTE]I've had multiple SB's at my place, always had a cup of coffee with them beforehand. The ones I brought to my place were actually all awesome ladies, they loved the sex and always jolly around with me. We always ended on good terms and never had problems with them but then again it was only certain ones that didn't seem crazy. You can usually tell crazy in the eyes or at least I think so.

Anyone willing to post (or link to) an "SA Fundamentals Guide"?

I went there a while ago and wasn't successful in any way. Chatted a bit, but got no traction at all.

Thanks!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63a3c713-ab4b-4ba5-bdc0-90fdecb03762[/URL]

This one got me to reveal my private photos then wouldn't show me hers. Then blocked me. Anyone have any experience with this one?

[QUOTE=DelToro;4926557]
I usually do a M&G followed by fucking. Just doing the M&G to do the fucking some other day is just not optimal for me, as my time is very valuable, with the money I will loose with a pure M&G is just not worth it just for a tighter screening. I rather have a bad experience every couple of years than taking twice as much time to get to fuck a new SB. As I do fuck 2-3 new SBs every month.[/QUOTE]I understand where you're coming from, and if it is working for you more power to you. After a couple of bad experiences with SBs (one fairly serious theft and a couple of clumsy attempts at blackmail) I'm a lot more fussy about which ones I play with and also a lot more circumspect about what information I share with them. They NEVER come to my home, and almost all of my encounters over recent years have been at hotels of my choosing. I'm also careful to mix it up on the hotels and not repeat too often at any one location (one girl apparently was trying to monitor when I checked into a particular hotel).

Right now I am not living in the Seattle area, and only travel there on business (for about a week or ten days) about every two or three months. Pre-covid that was once a month for about four days. Generally I recruit 5-6 new girls a year for my rotation (and probably keep two or three of them), and on the average I see any given girl about once a month.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;4930042]I'm also careful to mix it up on the hotels and not repeat too often at any one location (one girl apparently was trying to monitor when I checked into a particular hotel).[/QUOTE]So am I. I take precautions to hide who I am and where I hobby. Having said that. The one above I do follow (not for the same reason. I change hotels based on who is offering me the cheapest rate for a clean, safe room. How does a lady track your hotel activity without knowing what your name is? She would literally have to sit outside the hotel indefinitely and even then on a busy summer day or during work rush hours would probably miss you walking in or out. Seems highly unlikely that a SP / Provider / Civilian could track hotel activity about a person without knowing intimate details like name, phone etc or by hiring professional help (PI).

[QUOTE=Fillipino;4930029][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63a3c713-ab4b-4ba5-bdc0-90fdecb03762[/URL]

This one got me to reveal my private photos then wouldn't show me hers. Then blocked me. Anyone have any experience with this one?[/QUOTE]Don't take it personally, she probably just wasn't interested in you. She probably just blocked you because you weren't what she was looking for.

There are some women on the site that fall for the illusion that they are going to find a 25 YO incredibly handsome millionaire that's going to find them on the site and take them away from Seattle to travel the world with him. The truth is, if someone is truly wealthy and even just a few steps below average looking, they will have attractive women falling all over themselves to hook up with them. They wouldn't waste their time on that site.

I'm definitely not rich, but I make enough money where I regularly have decent looking women try to get with me. I'm positive it ain't because of my good looks or my charming personality. I avoid them; they are like leeches and will fuck up your life. But even I know better than to bring a female with me when I travel. I can find one (or 10) at my destination. You don't take sand to the beach.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;4930195]Don't take it personally, she probably just wasn't interested in you. She probably just blocked you because you weren't what she was looking for.

There are some women on the site that fall for the illusion that they are going to find a 25 YO incredibly handsome millionaire that's going to find them on the site and take them away from Seattle to travel the world with him. The truth is, if someone is truly wealthy and even just a few steps below average looking, they will have attractive women falling all over themselves to hook up with them. They wouldn't waste their time on that site.

I'm definitely not rich, but I make enough money where I regularly have decent looking women try to get with me. I'm positive it ain't because of my good looks or my charming personality. I avoid them; they are like leeches and will fuck up your life. But even I know better than to bring a female with me when I travel. I can find one (or 10) at my destination. You don't take sand to the beach.[/QUOTE]Happened to me before, I just said, ok not a problem and wish you the best and hope you find what your looking for. Can't do nothing about it, just move on, just like in real life LOL.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;4930124]...How does a lady track your hotel activity without knowing what your name is? She would literally have to sit outside the hotel indefinitely and even then on a busy summer day or during work rush hours would probably miss you walking in or out. Seems highly unlikely that a SP / Provider / Civilian could track hotel activity about a person without knowing intimate details like name, phone etc or by hiring professional help (PI).[/QUOTE]I don't know all of the details about how she pulled it off.

What I do know is that she told one of the managers a sob story, and that manager being a guy wasn't exactly skeptical and wanted to be helpful. Most guys don't think very critically when confronted by a set of great tits in a nearly see-through top and so the person who operates those tits properly can get away with a lot of shit.

She did have a picture of us together so that plus the sob story was enough to make a bad scene in the parking lot the morning I left the hotel.

When I'm in the Seattle area I'm working for the family business, and depending on what I'm up to that week I might be staying anyplace between Bellingham and Olympia. I like hotels with meeting rooms because I can do a lot of the work at the hotel -- I really like the hotel rooms where there are suites with one room set up as an office / conference room. So it is well-established that I meet with people at the hotel, so given how young ladies dress in these decadent times one or two sluts meeting with me during my stay doesn't really stand out.

[QUOTE=Fillipino;4930029][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63a3c713-ab4b-4ba5-bdc0-90fdecb03762[/URL]

This one got me to reveal my private photos then wouldn't show me hers. Then blocked me. Anyone have any experience with this one?[/QUOTE]I've been hooking up with her. She recently denounced her Muslim faith and is looking for exciting guys to give her what's she's missed out on in life. She's incredibly adventurous between the sheets. One if the most attractive girls on SA. She's not in this for money, she actually makes more than me haha. We always split the bill when we go out. No other allowances either just my cock will do she said. She's definitely into guys that are hung and can go 5 x+ rounds a night. Truly the most insatiable girl I've come across on SA. Good luck guys.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;4932712]I don't know all of the details about how she pulled it off.

What I do know is that she told one of the managers a sob story, and that manager being a guy wasn't exactly skeptical and wanted to be helpful. Most guys don't think very critically when confronted by a set of great tits in a nearly see-through top and so the person who operates those tits properly can get away with a lot of shit.

She did have a picture of us together so that plus the sob story was enough to make a bad scene in the parking lot the morning I left the hotel.

When I'm in the Seattle area I'm working for the family business, and depending on what I'm up to that week I might be staying anyplace between Bellingham and Olympia. I like hotels with meeting rooms because I can do a lot of the work at the hotel -- I really like the hotel rooms where there are suites with one room set up as an office / conference room. So it is well-established that I meet with people at the hotel, so given how young ladies dress in these decadent times one or two sluts meeting with me during my stay doesn't really stand out.[/QUOTE]Never underestimate the power of a batshit crazy woman.

[QUOTE=DirkMcGurk69;4933008]I've been hooking up with her. She recently denounced her Muslim faith and is looking for exciting guys to give her what's she's missed out on in life. She's incredibly adventurous between the sheets. One if the most attractive girls on SA. She's not in this for money, she actually makes more than me haha. We always split the bill when we go out. No other allowances either just my cock will do she said. She's definitely into guys that are hung and can go 5 x+ rounds a night. Truly the most insatiable girl I've come across on SA. Good luck guys.[/QUOTE]Saw her ad and thought about messaging, there seems to be a lot of talent on SA lately but I told myself to stay off of it for a couple months. These crazy girls always make me want to come back but I must stay true to myself and stay strong LOL.

You said she denounced her Muslim faith. Is she Middle eastern.

[QUOTE=DirkMcGurk69;4933008]I've been hooking up with her. She recently denounced her Muslim faith and is looking for exciting guys to give her what's she's missed out on in life. She's incredibly adventurous between the sheets. One if the most attractive girls on SA. She's not in this for money, she actually makes more than me haha. We always split the bill when we go out. No other allowances either just my cock will do she said. She's definitely into guys that are hung and can go 5 x+ rounds a night. Truly the most insatiable girl I've come across on SA. Good luck guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DirkMcGurk69;4933008]I've been hooking up with her. She recently denounced her Muslim faith and is looking for exciting guys to give her what's she's missed out on in life. She's incredibly adventurous between the sheets. One if the most attractive girls on SA. She's not in this for money, she actually makes more than me haha. We always split the bill when we go out. No other allowances either just my cock will do she said. She's definitely into guys that are hung and can go 5 x+ rounds a night. Truly the most insatiable girl I've come across on SA. Good luck guys.[/QUOTE]Now that has me thinking about re-upping my SA subscription for the first time in a long time.

[QUOTE=Perfecto101;4933930]You said she denounced her Muslim faith. Is she Middle eastern.[/QUOTE]She's bi racial. Half Somali and half Yemeni. The most exotic looking girl I've been with to say the least. Has some nice tattoos in Arabic script. Also has her clit pierced. She's an IG influencer and models clothing. She stopped wearing hijab back in December and shaved her head in defiance of her religion. She was very devout and oppressed and now she's letting loose.

Goes without saying but do not reach out to her with info you've learned from my posts. Got a good going here and would like to continue to see her. I am sharing info because I can't fuck her every night and I have like 5 other girls in rotation and she's becoming low priority for me.

[QUOTE=MorganCreamin;4934579]Now that has me thinking about re-upping my SA subscription for the first time in a long time.[/QUOTE]Proceed with caution. Spider sense says this could be a setup for cash and dab or even worse.

[QUOTE=ProfessorXC;4935136]Proceed with caution. Spider sense says this could be a setup for cash and dab or even worse.[/QUOTE]LOL okay guy. I provide credible, verifiable info here for what I'm willing to share with you folks. Its charity at this point because I haven't received a single good lead on a chick I haven't already hooked up with or isn't some blown out wannabe pro. Your spidey* sense needs calibration.

Does all, rough, specially anal, 300 whole day. You just need to be direct and let her know what you are looking for (like do it bare and things you like to do) from beginning when you are working out the arrangement agreement.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a7480ba1-2ba2-4ce2-9372-c4c1d24bf4fb[/URL]

Anyone given Diamond a month trial to see if it's worth it? I'm tempted just to see if messages that get lost in the inbox (not even read) of the insanely beautiful SB's get answered more frequently (or if I just get ignored due to my main profile pict. LOL). May be worth it just to collect a few numbers.

I've been filling her in all possible ways, she is lots of fun, I don't think she knows the words "no" and "condom". 300 half day. If those guys at the other board knew how much they are over paying and with less fun activities.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/db29fe43-190a-4825-97be-d94e11b04ae6[/URL]

Uninhibited does all once closed doors, she does all the work until you give up on more servings 300 half day.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aa040613-087d-447c-a450-26cb3f04d12e[/URL]

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4935933]Uninhibited does all once closed doors, she does all the work until you give up on more servings 300 half day.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aa040613-087d-447c-a450-26cb3f04d12e[/URL][/QUOTE]She contacted me and quoted without me asking $850 ppm. I replied that's way over my budget and she blocked me.