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[QUOTE=PlanetCaptain;3660753]Hopefully that $750 was for 4 hours of companionship.[/QUOTE]4 hours? I wouldn't give her that for 4 months. You could have 3 different more attractive girls and 150 left over if you have any game at all besides throwing money away, geez.
[QUOTE=PainWint;3661773]4 hours? I wouldn't give her that for 4 months. You could have 3 different more attractive girls and 150 left over if you have any game at all besides throwing money away, geez.[/QUOTE]Not to bicker, but the idea isn't really about "having game" with these SB's, SW's, escorts, etc. I always see people posting about "having game" but if that were really the case, you wouldn't be paying them for their companionship. I would imagine that 95% of the guys who use SA or whatever sites have no game, whatsoever, and the rest are just doing it for the convenience factor.
[QUOTE=BumLick1;3661802]Not to bicker, but the idea isn't really about "having game" with these SB's, SW's, escorts, etc. I always see people posting about "having game" but if that were really the case, you wouldn't be paying them for their companionship. I would imagine that 95% of the guys who use SA or whatever sites have no game, whatsoever, and the rest are just doing it for the convenience factor.[/QUOTE]LOL I think you pretty well summed it up. Your game = $$$ you havevto spend.
[QUOTE=Ballin69;3661571][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/23f4fd76-a514-4c5c-b308-d39928689f7a[/URL]
All she wants is $$$ to do nothing but send fake pics.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b685af81-b600-436e-b8c1-28bce3c95a73
Another one that Im 99% certain is same person[/QUOTE]Agreed, total scammer, I was going along with the nonsense story she was texting when she obviously messed up and started texting a different story. I replied "wrong string, this is the scam your running on someone else" she replied " LOL. ".
[QUOTE=BumLick1;3661802]Not to bicker, but the idea isn't really about "having game" with these SB's, SW's, escorts, etc. I always see people posting about "having game" but if that were really the case, you wouldn't be paying them for their companionship. I would imagine that 95% of the guys who use SA or whatever sites have no game, whatsoever, and the rest are just doing it for the convenience factor.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of this in many cases. If you're picking the low-hanging fruit, the BP girls on SA for example. And clearly game isn't required with a drugged-out SW or an escort.
But if you're going for what some guys might call a true SB, an intelligent, polished and beautiful college student who hasn't had an arrangement before and who's probably only had a few previous sexual partners, your personality, appearance and game matter. I know this from experience and from talking with girls on SA.
More than a few of the girls I've met about SA have told me that most guys on SA are creepy because the make an offer in their first message. Usually it's 200 for sex at a hotel. I've hooked up with the same girls for the same 200 price by treating them like I'd treat any other date.
I've had a few freebies from SA as well, including a really hot spinner who I saw for six months. Never paid her a penny.
So you're right that game doesn't matter with the pros and utr girls on SA. But it most definitely does matter with the top girls on SA.
What do I mean by top girls? Do a 100-mile search, 18-24, no kids, slim / athletic / average. I'm usually only interested In about 5-7 of the ones who have been active within the last few days.
I'm not delusional, being an SB is primarily about the cash for most girls. But having some game can help you attract the best girls on SA, it can help you get a meet, get them to see you again, and it can definitely help you negotiate a lower allowance or even get a freebie. I'm talking common sense things like treating them with respect, showing interest in their lives, engaging them in interesting conversation, being attractive or at least well-groomed and well-dressed, etc.
I use SA for the convenience. I don't want to be entangled in a real relationship at the moment. I have one regular sb and a few more intermittent ones I can hook up with for a change of pace. But I wouldn't hook up with the cast majority of girls on SA even for free.
[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3663532]I agree with most of this in many cases. If you're picking the low-hanging fruit, the BP girls on SA for example. And clearly game isn't required with a drugged-out SW or an escort.
But if you're going for what some guys might call a true SB, an intelligent, polished and beautiful college student who hasn't had an arrangement before and who's probably only had a few previous sexual partners, your personality, appearance and game matter. I know this from experience and from talking with girls on SA.
More than a few of the girls I've met about SA have told me that most guys on SA are creepy because the make an offer in their first message. Usually it's 200 for sex at a hotel. I've hooked up with the same girls for the same 200 price by treating them like I'd treat any other date.
I've had a few freebies from SA as well, including a really hot spinner who I saw for six months. Never paid her a penny.
So you're right that game doesn't matter with the pros and utr girls on SA. But it most definitely does matter with the top girls on SA.
What do I mean by top girls? Do a 100-mile search, 18-24, no kids, slim / athletic / average. I'm usually only interested In about 5-7 of the ones who have been active within the last few days.
I'm not delusional, being an SB is primarily about the cash for most girls. But having some game can help you attract the best girls on SA, it can help you get a meet, get them to see you again, and it can definitely help you negotiate a lower allowance or even get a freebie. I'm talking common sense things like treating them with respect, showing interest in their lives, engaging them in interesting conversation, being attractive or at least well-groomed and well-dressed, etc.
I use SA for the convenience. I don't want to be entangled in a real relationship at the moment. I have one regular sb and a few more intermittent ones I can hook up with for a change of pace. But I wouldn't hook up with the cast majority of girls on SA even for free.[/QUOTE]These girls can fuck anyone they choose for free and do. They are being paid, on the site for mutual beneficial benefits. Cut the cash and they are gone. Getting a response from a girl mainly requires not being a dick, ass, or have an over inflated ego of urself. Being a normal decent human being with a personality with get you the m / g and fc for the same amount that the creep offered but turned down. But the cash is still being paid. Game is walking into the bar, walmart shopping line, or wherever and coming away with the pussy for free. Being able to talk the girl in the coffee shop out of her panties is game. Getting a higher class girl from sa into bed usually rquals just being a decent guy with the right amount of cash. Again cut the cash out of the equation and see how long or how far you get. JMHO.
[QUOTE=PainWint;3662068]Agreed, total scammer, I was going along with the nonsense story she was texting when she obviously messed up and started texting a different story. I replied "wrong string, this is the scam your running on someone else" she replied " LOL. ".[/QUOTE]I had the same experience with her the past couple of days. Same person.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3663581]These girls can fuck anyone they choose for free and do. They are being paid, on the site for mutual beneficial benefits. Cut the cash and they are gone. Getting a response from a girl mainly requires not being a dick, ass, or have an over inflated ego of urself. Being a normal decent human being with a personality with get you the m / g and fc for the same amount that the creep offered but turned down. But the cash is still being paid. Game is walking into the bar, walmart shopping line, or wherever and coming away with the pussy for free. Being able to talk the girl in the coffee shop out of her panties is game. Getting a higher class girl from sa into bed usually rquals just being a decent guy with the right amount of cash. Again cut the cash out of the equation and see how long or how far you get. JMHO.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. But the best girls on SA are selective so I still think having some game helps. They get a crazy amount of messages, so catching and holding their attention does require some of the same skills as picking up a girl at a coffeeshop or a club. Lately I've hooked up with more civilians either from real life as you mentioned than from SA. Tinder has also been good for me lately.
The real problem is the area we live in. For every girl worth fucking there are 30 guys available. It's a ratio issue. I'm counting the days when I move out of here. Heading for the sun belt.
[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3663963]Fair enough. But the best girls on SA are selective so I still think having some game helps. They get a crazy amount of messages, so catching and holding their attention does require some of the same skills as picking up a girl at a coffeeshop or a club. Lately I've hooked up with more civilians either from real life as you mentioned than from SA. Tinder has also been good for me lately.[/QUOTE]HIM) Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?
HER) A million dollars, WOW, Yes I would!
HIM) How about for 2 dollars?
HER) Get lost Buddy, what do you think I am?
HIM) We have already established that, now we are just haggling over price.
Now I imagine you can interpret this story to defend either side of the argument. True if you have a ton of money to dispose of you can often get what you want.
If you don't have piles of cash you can still do very well by not being an ass.
I guess at the end of the day if you feel good about buying 40K car for 100K or buying a 250K house for a Million you should go ahead and do that.
Let me try this again. They didn't post what I wrote before. The reason these girls act like they do is because for every girl worthy of a fuck there are at least 30 guys nipping at her heels. She has not incentive. Whoever kisses up the most and can bring the sugar wins so to speak. I can't wait to move away from here. The bad ratios here have been like this for many years.
[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3663963]Fair enough. But the best girls on SA are selective so I still think having some game helps. They get a crazy amount of messages, so catching and holding their attention does require some of the same skills as picking up a girl at a coffeeshop or a club. Lately I've hooked up with more civilians either from real life as you mentioned than from SA. Tinder has also been good for me lately.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm getting older but we are having to work out ass off to give them sugar (a worthy amount) to close them. I'm finding it increasingly a turnoff. Part of the reason are the slim picking in NE Ohio. Yes one can't be an idiot and some game is required, but it seems like it has gotten worse and I'm not liking the extra stroking.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;3663967]The real problem is the area we live in. For every girl worth fucking there are 30 guys available. It's a ratio issue. I'm counting the days when I move out of here. Heading for the sun belt.[/QUOTE]Agreed, the fat girl epidemic in NE Ohio is the main reason I got into this hobby in the first place and will be one of the reasons I hopefully flee the area in the next five years or so. I travel to So Cal a few times a year for work and usually spend most of the time with my mouth agape as there are thin, attractive women everywhere. If guys here would quit chasing and white knighting the fat girls here maybe they would take some initiative to take care of themselves better. Never understood how someone could bang a 250 lb women much less WK them or pay them. I'd rather jerk off.
The SA girls in NE Ohio know they are a valuable commodity. I too have found you have to treat SA more like Tinder or OK Cupid rather than Backpage. Cast a wide net and treat the girls there like you would a women you are trying to take out on a normal date. You get the same number of flakes. It's very similar really. Like a previous poster mentioned, I too have had a few that I never ended up paying (outside of paying for drinks/dinner) or I paid very little, and then some are out and out pros or really want a traditional SD that is 70 years old and hardly touches them.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;3664065]Maybe I'm getting older but we are having to work out ass off to give them sugar (a worthy amount) to close them. I'm finding it increasingly a turnoff. Part of the reason are the slim picking in NE Ohio. Yes one can't be an idiot and some game is required, but it seems like it has gotten worse and I'm not liking the extra stroking.[/QUOTE]I'm in Columbus, but I agree. The expectations of the more mercenary girls are on the upswing. I often get requests for 500 or more where it was 300 a year ago. But I generally avoid the girls who get right into a financial discussion. I usually try to meet them in person for coffee or drinks as soon as possible. I prefer to talk terms in person. First of all it allows them to be comfortable and I can show them I'm not bad looking, I treat them like a gentleman and I'm not creepy. And also young people aren't used to negotiating, especially in person, so that gives me an edge.
There have been some exceptions. But often if a girl insists on talking sugar before we meet I'll drop her or at least she'll move to the bottom of my prospect list.
Strangely enough, I've had better luck with osu students from solid middle or upper middle class families than I have with working class girls or strippers.
If you look hard there are gems out there. My current sb is 19 and a legitimate student. She's 5'9", with a slim model's body and a beautiful face. Way out of my league, but there's no drama and she's very reliable, so I'm happy with our arrangement for 300/ meet. She usually spends the night and she's genuinely fun to hang out with.
I've met four girls on the site who I hooked up with completely for free, one of them I saw twice a week for around six months. I had to break it off because I was getting a bit too emotionally invested and neither of us were looking for a traditional relationship.
So there are good ones out there, it just takes time and some luck to find them.
Love how a whole group of new ones pop up around year end. Bet there will be a few more early next year too. Let's see how many are legit or just time wasters. Happy hunting boyz!