"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2846012]What market are you in?[/QUOTE]I'm in Chicago.

Scott, thanks for sharing. Are these hourly rates? What are you getting for a typical 2 star such as red roof or comfort inn.

[QUOTE=FScott;2846005]Holy shit, Bike! I just downloaded this and gave it a test spin. It's fantastic. It pulled up two hotel rooms near me for a third of what they would normally rent for overnight, indicated they were available immediately and I could book through the app and pay when I checked in!

I'm certain another SD invented this app, and I'll kiss him too!

Peace,

Scott.[/QUOTE]

Hey Folks,

I need some help. I have a M&G set up with a girl here in RVA and I have not been able to find out anything about her. I have her number and access to her private pics but my regular search process has not revealed any results. So I need to ask if anyone has seen or met with Scarlet J12 in the RVA area. I know some of you guys don't like to share info, but if you would be willing to PM me with any info I will be very grateful. She is a 27 year old blonde. I suspect she could be UTR or a pro and would like to know what I am walking into. She has not asked for any $ but just looking for info.

Thanks,

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2846036]Scott, thanks for sharing. Are these hourly rates? What are you getting for a typical 2 star such as red roof or comfort inn.[/QUOTE]The two quotes I got were for 3 star hotels that normally go for 160 to 180 or more a night. They were both at 60 for 8 hours, from 10 am to 6 pm. More than enough time to get the job done, at least for me.

But the real beauty is that they didn't require a normal 3 pm check in time. They seemed to be ready at that very moment. For me, this has always been somewhat of a hurdle in getting a room. Since I'm married I usually have to be behind bars by 6 or 630, and with a 3 pm check in time that doesn't really leave enough time to make it worthwhile. I know one can ask for early check-in, and most of the time I've gotten a room early, but it raises a level of anxiety for me that I don't like. What if I show up at the desk, baby in tow, and they deny me early access? How much would that suck? And then there's the whole "baby flaking out on you" scenario. With this new app I can see picking up my little fish, finding a room that's available immediately, and heading straight to the FC. Can't wait to try it!

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2846055]Hey Folks,

I need some help. I have a M&G set up with a girl here in RVA and I have not been able to find out anything about her. I have her number and access to her private pics but my regular search process has not revealed any results. So I need to ask if anyone has seen or met with Scarlet J12 in the RVA area. I know some of you guys don't like to share info, but if you would be willing to PM me with any info I will be very grateful. She is a 27 year old blonde. I suspect she could be UTR or a pro and would like to know what I am walking into. She has not asked for any $ but just looking for info.

Thanks,

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Don't know her but with a Substantial ask and well enhanced Boobs I would go for Pro. But of course I am profiling shamelessly. She could be a clueless hottie who doen't know what Substantial allowance means, but I doubt it. Are you in the Sub. Category? Be prepared for a $5-10,000 / month ask.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2846120]Don't know her but with a Substantial ask and well enhanced Boobs I would go for Pro. But of course I am profiling shamelessly. She could be a clueless hottie who doen't know what Substantial allowance means, but I doubt it. Are you in the Sub. Category? Be prepared for a $5-10,000 / month ask.[/QUOTE]Fred. Certainly not that substantial. But I have met with girls in that category who end up asking for less. I actually have 3 other M&G's scheduled in the next 5 days, so I may just cancel. Some of you guys have criticized what I have been willing to pay in the past, but I'm not crazy. No one in RVA is getting that kind of money.

Stark.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2846172]Fred. Certainly not that substantial. But I have met with girls in that category who end up asking for less. I actually have 3 other M&G's scheduled in the next 5 days, so I may just cancel. Some of you guys have criticized what I have been willing to pay in the past, but I'm not crazy. No one in RVA is getting that kind of money.

Stark.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, each of us is entitled to pay what the relationship requires and is worth to you. I have been successful at a much lower price point, but if I had to (and could) go up to get what I wanted -I would. Let us know how it works out. SDs who do pay at the higher level have access to SBs who demand that and will not compromise. Quality is not always associated with the Dollar amount paid though.

I've seen a very cute and sweet girl twice now and things were going great!! She text me today apologizing for being out of contact. Let me know she really liked me and enjoyed our time together, but because of her financial situation she had to accept a higher offer.

I expressed disappointment, but wished her well and hoped that the arrangement met her expectations. Let her know she can contact me again if things don't work out as planned.

I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.

I have heard from several girls who said negotiable or otherwise and settled for not more than 300 to 350, but also heard from girls who are in the lower end on the profile do not want anything lower than 500 one even asked me for 800 to 1000, per hour.

I am dealing with one now 18 yr old super hot girl gave me nice kiss on the mouth for spending almost 200 including the 150 for M&G, I know she is seeing some one else who might be spending that kind of dough. I am also there to spend 500 at least to do her one time.

I even did not get responses when I offedred 200 to 300 for 40 lady, go figure!!

Happy hunting.

S2568.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2846219]With all due respect, each of us is entitled to pay what the relationship requires and is worth to you. I have been successful at a much lower price point, but if I had to (and could) go up to get what I wanted -I would. Let us know how it works out. SDs who do pay at the higher level have access to SBs who demand that and will not compromise. Quality is not always associated with the Dollar amount paid though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2846425]I've seen a very cute and sweet girl twice now and things were going great!! She text me today apologizing for being out of contact. Let me know she really liked me and enjoyed our time together, but because of her financial situation she had to accept a higher offer.

I expressed disappointment, but wished her well and hoped that the arrangement met her expectations. Let her know she can contact me again if things don't work out as planned.

I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.[/QUOTE]You should be proud. Good move. Similar situation happened to me 2 weeks ago after 3 visits with a very hot 22 yr old (so hot she brought a gf to the fc for the first visit. She was new to SA and wanted the security of a threesome. It was a visit I will never forget). She wanted to bump it from $$ to $$. 5. As much as I hated to I did what you did. For the first.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2846425]
I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are playing it well. The higher offer dude is prolly a one-off date anyway, as a large number are. Sounds like everything was civil, so in a bit she may very well be back! You should be proud - well done.

[QUOTE=FScott;2846090]The two quotes I got were for 3 star hotels that normally go for 160 to 180 or more a night. They were both at 60 for 8 hours, from 10 am to 6 pm. More than enough time to get the job done, at least for me. But the real beauty is that they didn't require a normal 3 pm check in time. They seemed to be ready at that very moment. [/QUOTE]Thats a nice deal but very cleverly done. Paying 60 for 8 hours or paying 180 for full day perhaps works down to same hourly rate. Buts makes a mountain of a difference for mongers like us. The next thing to worry is how to keep any paper trail (from the app, cc statements) not follow us to haunt us.

I've been out of the "monger" game for a few years now, but I've often been tempted by the rise of the sugarbaby (SB) online world. I had a few (3) SB relationships via the bar scene years ago, and almost feel like I "invented" the concept. Based on the reports here, it seems so much easier and efficient online.

I made a profile on SD4 M, it seemed to be less overhead than SA, though I've heard that SA is more of a college crowd which would be better for me. I may try SA later. My profile pic was a software blend of my face and another guy's face. I texted or emailed about 20 girls in the area, met three from the site, and had one SB relationship lasting two months, which ended strangely. Let's call her Mary. She was 19 and told me I was her third sexual partner.

It was nice while it lasted. A true GFE: kissing, friendship, wet pussy, orgasisms, etc. She was intelligent, which I liked. Mary's SD4 M profile went unused during the time I knew her. The other SB prospects I met seemed to be professional SB, as they remained active online during the time I was on the site. Mary said she wanted to be monogamous with her SD. At my age (early 50's) it was amazing to find an attractive 19 yo who responded to me like that. I'm pretty sure it was real.

After two months, Mary called it off, citing moral qualms about taking money from my family. She was also unhappy with how much I paid her (200/ visit / week). But after breaking up, a remarkable sequence of events occurred. I was contacted by a friend in her dormitory, also a cute college freshman, who said my offer was adequate and she thought I was handsome. I was tempted, but it just seemed too weird for me, so I passed. Within a few days this led to more strange events: Mary trying to get back with me, her dorm friend sending angry messages (thank goodness for anonymous phone / email) and finally Mary giving up again.

I'd like to have one SB who is at least semi-normal and remain with her for a long time, but without getting too serious and as long as she accepts my budget. I think I'll try again.

[QUOTE=Snake27;2846920]
I'd like to have one SB who is at least semi-normal and remain with her for a long time, but without getting too serious and as long as she accepts my budget. I think I'll try again.[/QUOTE]

Semi-normal? What is that? No surprise that an inexperienced very young girl might get cold feet in the middle of the game? Perhaps she got found out by her roomie or BFF and when that embarrassment hit she backed out with a face saving excuse about taking money from your family? But nothing in what was reported about her sounds like she was inappropriate or "not normal."

Shoot you had the perfect situation, another hot young thing that wanted to get with you! Her friend might have been just what you are looking for? But when Mary came back, you had all of the leverage and didn't use it. Shoot, maybe could have backed her off to 100 or 150 since she was concerned about taking money from your family. Shoot maybe if her guilt was large enough you could have negotiate free dates? After all it sounds like she wasn't very experienced and maybe just liked the good sex?

I'd see if I couldn't revive the situation with Mary or seek out her friend. IF you haven't burned the bridges too badly.

One of the things I had to learn in this game is to stop apply the mores and standards I was brought up with. With the 20-something crowd and the Tinder fueled hook up culture, scr*wing guys right and left is meaning less. To use a German phrase, [i]es, macht nichts![/i] (it makes nothing) There is no longer a stigma associated with a girl sowing her wild oats in many circles.

But most of the hook up culture means marginal or bad sex with misogynistic young dudes and then having to endure the dude telling all of his buddies about everything you did. No wonder so many younger girls are willing to SB! They find great sex on a consistent basis, the dude treats them well, he keeps his damn mouth shut and she walks away with gifts! Since there is no social or moral consequence to casual sex, what bright girl wouldn't engage in such?

Anyway, good luck! Hope you can repair things with Mary, engage the friend or find another.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2847377]Semi-normal? What is that? No surprise that an inexperienced very young girl might get cold feet in the middle of the game? Perhaps she got found out by her roomie or BFF and when that embarrassment hit she backed out with a face saving excuse about taking money from your family? But nothing in what was reported about her sounds like she was inappropriate or "not normal."

Shoot you had the perfect situation, another hot young thing that wanted to get with you! Her friend might have been just what you are looking for? But when Mary came back, you had all of the leverage and didn't use it. Shoot, maybe could have backed her off to 100 or 150 since she was concerned about taking money from your family. Shoot maybe if her guilt was large enough you could have negotiate free dates? After all it sounds like she wasn't very experienced and maybe just liked the good sex?

I'd see if I couldn't revive the situation with Mary or seek out her friend. IF you haven't burned the bridges too badly.

[/QUOTE]I agree with CPL. Go calling with hat (and dick) in hand and apologize for being a fool. Maybe you can end up with both of them.