The Rat Trap

We control the rates!. They work for us, not the other way around! Nuff said!.

Only a select few idiots (George Mason, YMMV) think we work for the girls. They apparently lost their manhood years ago after they were neutered as a child and decided to have women be in charge.

Many others have agreed to my point of view thru pm and I'll just leave it at that. I'm done entertaining with these kids, I have more important things to do. Absolutely no intellectual challenge, they can only resort to insults to get their point (s) across. Boring, predictable and typical for those with low IQ's. Unfortunately I got caught up in that stupidity, shame on me. <Shaking it off .

Anyway, George "fuck doll" mason and "slow as molasses" YMMV, you're dismissed!.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4729147]We control the rates!. They work for us, not the other way around![/QUOTE]I don't want to get in the fight so this is written with respect. You are almost right. In any commodity, the SELLER controls the price. The CONSUMER controls what he is willing to pay, and that can affect the price. But it doesn't control it directly.

Unfortunately, in this business, there is more demand than supply and, no matter how hard Congress (or us) may try, you cannot repeal the Law of Supply and Demand. If there are enough guys willing to pay large amounts for low talent then we are all fucked.

C3.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4729147]We control the rates!. They work for us, not the other way around! Nuff said!.

Only a select few idiots (George Mason, YMMV) think we work for the girls. They apparently lost their manhood years ago after they were neutered as a child and decided to have women be in charge.

Many others have agreed to my point of view thru pm and I'll just leave it at that. I'm done entertaining with these kids, I have more important things to do. Absolutely no intellectual challenge, they can only resort to insults to get their point (s) across. Boring, predictable and typical for those with low IQ's. Unfortunately I got caught up in that stupidity, shame on me. <Shaking it off .

Anyway, George "fuck doll" mason and "slow as molasses" YMMV, you're dismissed!.[/QUOTE]With your "Last Comment" post, I guess you're just happier than a bird with a french fry, huh? You truly are the "Shakespeare of Shit", LOL!

If you think you control the rates, then you're just plain stupid. If you think your buddies are passing up ass they want just because they can't negotiate a lower price, then you're just plain stupid. Only the OBT crack-heads will negotiate with you because they need their next fix. And if that's the kind of ass you want, then you're not just plain stupid, you're also a flaming idiot!

In the end, no one works for anyone else; everyone works for themselves. And everyone gets exactly what they "want", or better yet, what they "deserve".

If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous.

School is over now. You can leave the Principal's Office, and go get your next OBT gutter-queen. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Camera3;4729852]I don't want to get in the fight so this is written with respect. You are almost right. In any commodity, the SELLER controls the price. The CONSUMER controls what he is willing to pay, and that can affect the price. But it doesn't control it directly.

Unfortunately, in this business, there is more demand than supply and, no matter how hard Congress (or us) may try, you cannot repeal the Law of Supply and Demand. If there are enough guys willing to pay large amounts for low talent then we are all fucked.

C3.[/QUOTE]Not just supply and demand, the supply outweighs the demand 5:1. There are more pussy options than there are men that want it. This has more to do with mentality.

The mentality of the BUYER in this business, is unfortunately, "weak and desperate" and it shows in the ever increasing rates. Women know that most (desperate) men are addicted to pussy (and can't get it any other way) and will do almost anything for it. So they exploit that to no end and I honestly can't fault them for it.

Most BUYERS, especially the older, less confident and low self esteem ones (you know who I'm referring to), think that they could find "love" with the girls they pay for and ALWAYS fall victim (suckers) to their deceptions. It's sad really, they just allow these women to take full advantage of them and not think about the consequences that it causes for the rest of us that sees this for what it is. It's just pussy! They're not your gf's, not your lover, not your friend. None of them give a shit about you! Just your money! And until they realize and accept that, nothing will change.

Ultimately, the BUYER always has control in ANY "economic" situation. It's just a matter of how many BUYERS want back that control. This is not just my belief or opinion, it is a fact. (look back on the articles I posted).

I hope we can keep this convo civil.

SIN.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4732608]) I hope we can keep this convo civil.

SIN.[/QUOTE]Of course. I tend to stay out of the drama (except when alcohol interferes).

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4732608]Not just supply and demand, the supply outweighs the demand 5:1.[/QUOTE]So, you believe there are five times more hookers than mongers? That doesn't even make sense when you consider that the average hooker sees multiple johns a day and turns guys away.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4732608]
Ultimately, the BUYER always has control in ANY "economic" situation. It's just a matter of how many BUYERS want back that control.[/QUOTE]So, I found this little video for kids on Supply and Demand economics put out by the IMF, and I think we can agree they know their shit. It is short, entertaining, and to the point. Just substitute hookers for blueberries and maybe it will help you understand better:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp-diDRVKI[/URL]

And I did read the article you posted -- the whole article -- not just the paragraph you are taking completely out of context. I have no argument.

Now, all that said, anyone can believe anything they want. Doesn't make it fact. At the end of the day there are lots of forces that influence the supply / demand curves, including quality of service, which is difficult to measure. A hooker can ask any price she wants. All we can do is pay it or move on.

Stay safe,

C3.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4732608]Not just supply and demand, the supply outweighs the demand 5:1. There are more pussy options than there are men that want it. This has more to do with mentality.

The mentality of the BUYER in this business, is unfortunately, "weak and desperate" and it shows in the ever increasing rates. Women know that most (desperate) men are addicted to pussy (and can't get it any other way) and will do almost anything for it. So they exploit that to no end and I honestly can't fault them for it.

Most BUYERS, especially the older, less confident and low self esteem ones (you know who I'm referring to), think that they could find "love" with the girls they pay for and ALWAYS fall victim (suckers) to their deceptions. It's sad really, they just allow these women to take full advantage of them and not think about the consequences that it causes for the rest of us that sees this for what it is. It's just pussy! They're not your gf's, not your lover, not your friend. None of them give a shit about you! Just your money! And until they realize and accept that, nothing will change.

Ultimately, the BUYER always has control in ANY "economic" situation. It's just a matter of how many BUYERS want back that control. This is not just my belief or opinion, it is a fact. (look back on the articles I posted).

I hope we can keep this convo civil.

SIN.[/QUOTE]Either you delusional or flat-out ignorant! It doesn't matter how many members agree with what you sayin. At the end of the day that provider going to be the one that make the agreement with you. Unless you see in the members? As far as confidenceI think the one who asking the members to help them lower the rate is the one with no confidence. You won't ever see me asking any member to help me lower the rates because I control the rate just by what I bring to the table. Some things money can't buy. If they not complimenting you, then they're complaining about you. Only thing I see you as a complaint. It just like walking into the bank with no credit you going to pay higher rates or you won't get the loan. Same thing with these girls if you look like crap they not going give you a lower rate. Your first visit will be your last visit simple as that period. At the end of the day, you are who you are and that's ugly as sin!

[QUOTE=Camera3;4733017]So, I found this little video for kids on Supply and Demand economics put out by the IMF, and I think we can agree they know their shit. It is short, entertaining, and to the point.

Just substitute hookers for blueberries and maybe it will help you understand better:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp-diDRVKI[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great educational video, C3. I "do" like blueberry pie.

Some folks (you know who I'm referring to) can have their grapes, and eat them too, LOL!

Yeah. Supply & Demand. And ready, willing, & able. Some are ready & willing but unable cause of ED. Won't mention who. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nutted;4733377]Yeah. Supply & Demand. And ready, willing, & able. Some are ready & willing but unable cause of ED. Won't mention who. LOL.[/QUOTE]So sorry to hear about your buddy, Ed.

But now we see where you got your handle, Nutted (as in past tense, but now can't nut no more), LOL!

All you've got left to do now is dream. And unfortunately, with the girls you been seeing, those dreams are probably more like nightmares, LOL!

LTD.

[QUOTE=ImAwaxdatazz69;4735305]Beautiful lady. May I have the digits please? Thanks.[/QUOTE]No, [B]Hell no[/B].

You may have passed the minimum requirements to become a senior but you are the worst example of a senior on the site. You're a worthless beggar that obviously has no idea how this board works. Aren't you embarrassed to keep doing this?

I got an infraction earlier for posting the above in the Streetwalker section so I've moved it here hoping that you'll learn from it. You have 63 posts and only a few aren't asking for something and they aren't even reviews. Yesterday you posted 7 requests for numbers in less than a half hour. Everything you do is wrong. Will you ever learn?

If you request a number you can send a PM. You don't need to post that you're sending them a message and bother everyone just to build your post count. You should do some work and post reviews of girls. Do you see any girls or are you just building a Rolodex?

You don't deserve a damned thing from anyone.

I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.

Vino is wise man. You can't fall in love with a working girl. Sorry to hear about your Ultra UTR.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;4737661]I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vino7373;4737661]I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]Well said Vino.

[QUOTE=NorthWestWind;4734850]Fuck, the whole reason I pay is to not have the drama.

Why having a dick got to make life so hard?[/QUOTE]I thought that was the reason we're in the hobby. So we can drop loads without dealing with all the bullshit that husbands and boyfriends go through.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;4737661]I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]Well spoken!

[QUOTE=Vino7373;4737661]I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]For the over decade of being around the hobby I never realized there was soo much bs. Perhaps it's because I just show up enjoy and head on my way. Sounds like too many guys in here getting waay too into it. , as others have said the whole point of this is to not deal with drama or worrying about getting bitched at LOL. Everyone should enjoy and the takeaway should stop there. Especially now at this crazy time we are all going through we should be helping not causing problems for the.

Providers and vice versa! Sharing is caring!! On that note I had a great time today so far I'll follow up later about it.