"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2824701]I'm an older guy mid 60 range. My definition of a SD is quite different than most here.

Most here are guys who see how many babies they can go through and find any excuse to dump them after a meeting or 2.

My definition of a SB is quite different also. I also have a different age group that I look for, not the high school to 20 age group that looks like Barbie. If your a good guy and treat them with respect, something that most certainly aren't used to and stick around for awhile you would be surprised to what good will you build up. Now if you want to date 10's and 40 years older its definitely about the money, not because your a heck of a guy LOL.

Everyone here has their own expectations and I agree, cut the money off and see how long they suck your dick. I personally would rather have free pussy than knowing that the only reason I'm fucking something is for the sugar provided. Most arrangements on the sugar site is not much different than BP or the classifieds from what I experienced.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the feedback. I am not a P&D type of guy and look for long term, but have an SO and can't date IRL. I also like 40+ yr younger and at least 7-9's,so cash and carry is the order of the day. I'm glad the low / no cost Sugaring is working for some of you brothers.

I still think that is the exception rather than the rule.

[QUOTE=Feral1;2824474]TI did take her to Thads a San Diego swingers club. The place was a disappointment for me as there weren't any interested couples in swapping, though they did watch her and I get it on. She did have a session with a single black lady and did get fucked by a guy that interested her so at least one of us had some fun. [/QUOTE]You experience at the swing club is not surprising. Swinging is not a bunch of people in an orgy pile doing whatever with whoever as it gets portrayed in the movies of TV. If there is a significant age difference between you and the SB, then most couples are going to see her for what she essentially was. A paid date. Now while one might think swingers VERY liberal there are some pretty old-fashioned and conservative under currents. Most couples might turn their noses up at escorts, pros or SBs and thus not be interested in including you in their games.

Then one has to realize this is adult dating and as hard as it is to find one woman to play with, it is four times as hard to get four people to agree. So couples were evaluating the both of you. Does he want to play with her? Does his wife want to play with you. Are you showing respect for your date or just expecting she'll play with anyone you choose? There is a dance, while the guy half of the couple is the "protector" of the woman and a dude has to get him to think you are cool, the woman holds all of the power and unless you flirt with her and impress her she isn't going to give her man the signal that she is willing to play with you.

Look there is a lot of drama in real life and when clothes come off and play is involved there can be a LOT of drama happen. Smart couples in the lifestyle have their criteria for avoiding drama and do so rigorously. Showing up with a paid date is going to be suspect right away and I bet you were questioned on that. For either moral or drama reasons, it is no surprise that most couples took a pass.

But hey, at least you got to bang this SB somewhere other than in a car. Prolly was a bit exciting having others watch too?

Has anyone seen a K / T sb. In the richmond area? Any Intel would be appreciated. Cute girl but is requesting 5 bills. Not sure I'm going to see her. Pm if you have any information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2825250]You experience at the swing club is not surprising. Swinging is not a bunch of people in an orgy pile doing whatever with whoever as it gets portrayed in the movies of TV. If there is a significant age difference between you and the SB, then most couples are going to see her for what she essentially was. A paid date. Now while one might think swingers VERY liberal there are some pretty old-fashioned and conservative under currents. Most couples might turn their noses up at escorts, pros or SBs and thus not be interested in including you in their games.

Then one has to realize this is adult dating and as hard as it is to find one woman to play with, it is four times as hard to get four people to agree. So couples were evaluating the both of you. Does he want to play with her? Does his wife want to play with you. Are you showing respect for your date or just expecting she'll play with anyone you choose? There is a dance, while the guy half of the couple is the "protector" of the woman and a dude has to get him to think you are cool, the woman holds all of the power and unless you flirt with her and impress her she isn't going to give her man the signal that she is willing to play with you.

Look there is a lot of drama in real life and when clothes come off and play is involved there can be a LOT of drama happen. Smart couples in the lifestyle have their criteria for avoiding drama and do so rigorously. Showing up with a paid date is going to be suspect right away and I bet you were questioned on that. For either moral or drama reasons, it is no surprise that most couples took a pass.

But hey, at least you got to bang this SB somewhere other than in a car. Prolly was a bit exciting having others watch too?[/QUOTE]You got it about half right. Except it was a Wednesday night and only 4 couples besides us plus half a dozen single men. One other couple did anything sexual and the man was black. My date before we got there said almost anything goes but no black guys so that was a non starter. If there were more people then maybe it would have been better. I realized that my fantasy that it would be hot ladies begging for cock I realize was a little too far out, but I didn't want a piece of anyone I saw. Our relationship was not an issue with anyone there wasn't much else happening. The place is way past its prime and not very clean, I wouldn't have noticed if the place was crawling with pussy but it wasn't. It was an experience I'm glad to have had but not a repeat.

[QUOTE=FreeWilly12;2825508]Has anyone seen a K / T sb. In the richmond area? Any Intel would be appreciated. Cute girl but is requesting 5 bills. Not sure I'm going to see her. Pm if you have any information. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Helps to have the profile link or more info to make searching easier.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2824701]Everyone here has their own expectations and I agree, cut the money off and see how long they suck your dick. I personally would rather have free pussy than knowing that the only reason I'm fucking something is for the sugar provided. Most arrangements on the sugar site is not much different than BP or the classifieds from what I experienced.[/QUOTE]I think the variance in perspective of how important money is to the girls is at least in part due to the bias we create for ourselves. I personally have noticed myself never responding to girls who sound demanding in their profile, and if they come at me with "how much is my allowance" right out of the gate, I don't even respond. So if I interact with 50 girls, and 25 of them come off like that, I've mentally blocked them out, and I tend to only remember the 25 that didn't seem so entitled.

Of those 25 I'm still talking to, another 5-10 might turn out to be GPS or gold diggers in disguise that only revealed their true intent over time, so my perception may be that about 25% of girls are only in it for the cash, when it reality it could easily be much more. But my point is that we tend to unintentionally limit the type we attract to the we type we have pigeon holed them all to be.

So I don't doubt I'm creating my own results. I seem to regularly find girls who are mostly in it for the adventure -- the excitement of meeting and fucking a stranger over the Internet, but they like some of the sense of security they get from the SD crowd:

1. He is credit-card verified, helping to eliminate chance of super weirdos, criminals, etc.

2. He is most likely married or has a stable of other SBs, has a very good job, helping to eliminate chance of mental case turned stalker, he has something to lose.

3. He's got money so even if he's not going pay her directly at least she knows he can pay for dinner and a nice motel, some younger dudes can't or won't on a regular basis.

4. If she does fuck him and ends up pregnant, at least she's pregnant with someone with means to support rather than some jobless schlub as a baby daddy.

Never underestimate the number of young ladies who fantasize solely about the sex part with a random, older, successful stranger. The success part attracts them in ways that have nothing to do with how much or whether they are being paid. The sugar daddy sites have opened up a way for them to explore those fantasies without the stigma of their friends or family seeing them scratch their fetish itch for old-guys. It saves them embarrassment and the "support" helps them justify doing it in the first place (I. E. , they're not doing something raunchy like caving into their own sexual fetishes, right? They're bettering their lives).

When I was young, I used to crave a hot old cougar / MILF type once in a while, but the 2 times in my life I caved into that fetish and actually did it, the broads followed me around like puppy dogs afterwards. Some of these girls want a similar experience with an older guy but without the risk of the guy being clingy and expecting love and romance. And, most women do like to feel spoiled and made to "feel beautiful" by the giving of material things.

There are always going to be guys that believe the true SB doesn't exist, and they are the same as escorts, but just like I have a bias that blinds me to the gold diggers, they have a bias that blinds them to the real SBs. Many of them cannot possibly imagine a hot young lady having sex with them for reasons other than money, and their poor self-image is worn on their sleeve and it therefore becomes a reality.

Girl in Roanoke by the name of Katiefofatie. - has herpes. Admitted it when asked but I still wasn't down with that. And I'd assume most of you aren't either. I appreciate her honesty though. And lets not bring it up to her, just avoid?

To paraphrase his Lewinsky / Clinton dynamic.

Most girls are going to blow / sleep with any number of knuckleheads, deadbeats and morons -- not all of which will be Brad Pitt I the looks department-- in their single years. If you have the chance to blow someone who can help you out in life, I say go for it.

[QUOTE=UBetcha89;2826251]Girl in Roanoke by the name of Katiefofatie. - has herpes. Admitted it when asked but I still wasn't down with that. And I'd assume most of you aren't either. I appreciate her honesty though. And lets not bring it up to her, just avoid?[/QUOTE]CDC estimates that, annually, 776,000 people in the United States get new herpes infections. How many of you here have it? Probably more than a few. Think about the ones who don't tell us.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2827024]CDC estimates that, annually, 776,000 people in the United States get new herpes infections. How many of you here have it? Probably more than a few. Think about the ones who don't tell us.[/QUOTE]I sure hope that people here get tested regularly, I do. I do BB when I can and have for years. I have a complete set of tests a week old and all are clean. It can happen and a condom dosen't provide complete protection. If you are paranoid then keep your pecker to yourself. Not many get STD's from masturbation.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2826305]To paraphrase his Lewinsky / Clinton dynamic.
Most girls are going to blow / sleep with any number of knuckleheads, deadbeats and morons -- not all of which will be Brad Pitt I the looks department-- in their single years. If you have the chance to blow someone who can help you out in life, I say go for it.[/QUOTE]You bring up a good point with regard to their boyfriends. FB sometimes gives some insight into their social life, and with the occasional exception aside, I am usually unimpressed, if not shocked, when I see what their boyfriends look like. It leaves me shaking my head going "what?? How?" At times. Brad Pitt they most certainly are not, in 99% of the cases.

I guess perhaps some of the guys are master manipulators of social media, or there is some other generational reason they are able to hook up with such good looking women despite being such dorks. Every now and then you see a case where the couple actually look like they are roughly in the right league for each other, but fairly often I come away from viewing FB pictures with the feeling of confirmation that when the SB claims there is a genuine attraction or sexual enjoyment with her SD, in many cases at least she's not just catering to his ego, she's genuinely getting something physical out of it that she wasn't getting at home previously, something above and beyond just the money.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2827300]You bring up a good point with regard to their boyfriends. FB sometimes gives some insight into their social life, and with the occasional exception aside, I am usually unimpressed, if not shocked, when I see what their boyfriends look like. It leaves me shaking my head going "what?? How?" At times. Brad Pitt they most certainly are not, in 99% of the cases.

I guess perhaps some of the guys are master manipulators of social media, or there is some other generational reason they are able to hook up with such good looking women despite being such dorks. Every now and then you see a case where the couple actually look like they are roughly in the right league for each other, but fairly often I come away from viewing FB pictures with the feeling of confirmation that when the SB claims there is a genuine attraction or sexual enjoyment with her SD, in many cases at least she's not just catering to his ego, she's genuinely getting something physical out of it that she wasn't getting at home previously, something above and beyond just the money.[/QUOTE]Got to remember that these unimpressive deadbeats were knocking the bottom out of these babies way before they became babies. This is what drove them to the site, tired of supporting these guys. Thats what 3 out of 4 girls tell me, especially the ones with kids and grown up responsibility. They list financial help first then down the list maybe an attraction to older guys. The older guy represents financial help, hopefully stability and no drama. I have had girls who have had long term arrangement s of over a year tell me that when it was over they was relieved because they never liked the guy. He was reliable income they could depend on. So when your telling urself how much this baby is into you, do the test. Cut off the sugar and see how long she sticks around. If she does then the daddy is a lucky guy, if she disappears and her profile pops back up then you have the answer. Oh and that depends on if her profile stays active while your seeing her. If it does then you already have the answer.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2827300]Often I come away from viewing FB pictures with the feeling of confirmation that when the SB claims there is a genuine attraction or sexual enjoyment with her SD, in many cases at least she's not just catering to his ego, she's genuinely getting something physical out of it that she wasn't getting at home previously, something above and beyond just the money.[/QUOTE]You nailed that on the head. When I was a young pup, I lost a LT GF to a SD type. She was attracted to his money and power, things I just could not give as a starting out 20-something. But he was able to spend money on her that I could not. And I'll tell you while I spent a lot of TIME f-ing, it wasn't until I got in my 30's that I figured out what really pleases. So girls appreciate the good sex and an attentive lover. So that is part of it.

The other part might be what Charlie Harper always looked for. Girls with Daddy issues!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2827392]You nailed that on the head. When I was a young pup, I lost a LT GF to a SD type. She was attracted to his money and power, things I just could not give as a starting out 20-something. But he was able to spend money on her that I could not. And I'll tell you while I spent a lot of TIME f-ing, it wasn't until I got in my 30's that I figured out what really pleases. So girls appreciate the good sex and an attentive lover. So that is part of it.

The other part might be what Charlie Harper always looked for. Girls with Daddy issues![/QUOTE]When I was younger, I had several GFs, fuckbuddies etc. That I knew had been banging older guys (my definition of old was 50-ish at the time. Funny how that doesn't seem old anymore). I would sometimes ask them why they would want to, and some of them told me point blank "a lot of old guys are good in bed". The other reason I heard fairly regularly was less about sex and just about the overall feeling of appreciation they got ("I feel so special, beautiful, and appreciated around him") etc. And I don't mean they were saying that to mask some desire for gifts or money, I mean they legitimately just liked the level of attention they received.

So when you're 25-35 as I was, and in your dating travels hearing "okay I'll fool around with you but you're not my type for dating because I like them old" over and over, at some point you just have to accept that there is something real there in the attraction for older men. It used to bother me somewhat back then. Not so much now. lol

I do however think some of them are ashamed of the attraction, and prefer to sample the waters until they at least find a good one, just so that their "image" on social media and with friends and family is not one of a geezer-chaser. They'd rather present an image of age appropriate dating, then if they find "the one", appear out of nowhere with him and say "well I normally don't date guys his age but I fell for him". It's just easier for them to deal with the stigma with careful image management.

On the flip side, I have had a few (I'd say minority) confess they prefer younger guys for sex, saying the sex is more vigorous or energetic. For me lots of exercise helps me not lose the edge on that.

One thing I have heard MOST often from the under 30 crowd is the men they date are clueless in bed. Even the freakiest are quite appreciative of someone who takes their time and assures their pleasure.

Plus most guys don't have their lives / acts together until their mid 30's. Don't know to buy gifts -- even if they can afford them -- let alone the little and grand gestures that make women squeal.

A lot of girls have "boyfriends" because they don't like being alone. BF by default. Who wants to be the only one of FB not showing off the fact they AREN:T attached>

Let's not forget what passes for a man amongs the 20 somethings. Have you seen these man-ginas? The poofy high hair, stubble beard and wire rimmed glasses (think the ex husband on The Blacklist) who have all been raised to be sensitive and inoffensive. They would run to their safe-space with their dicks between their legs the minute some submissive SB (and that seems to be the majority) wants to be choked or called a dirty little ****. These girls are seeking a real man, and know they won't find one under 35.

Daddy issues are pretty strong too -- had one girl go on and on about how her dad was a poor provider, unambitious etc. And all night long kept calling me Daddy and asking Daddy to fuck her ass hard. If I gave two shits about her, I'd be worried she'd spend the next decade trying to replace her failed father with meaningless degrading sexual escapades for money.