"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6238367]I think there are a number of reasons guys have bad experiences or low success rates in the bowl. Here we probably read about them more simply because the forum is geared toward the escort scene, and if a guy goes into the sugar lifestyle as an alternative to escorts, they are probably undermining their own success and would be better of just sticking to escorts. Sugaring, when done optimally, really is different than the simple transactional matter of paying for sex. The good SBs will always be able to detect the guys that haven't figured that out and will actively avoid them, thus the disappointment we sometimes read about here.[/QUOTE]If you treat the girls like a mistress you will have a lot of success in the bowl, sugaring is what the early 20th century mistress has turned into. Successful men would have a mitress who they saw a couple of times of week back then it was widely accepted.

A lot of guys who are knew to sugaring treat it like an escort experience which it isn't.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;6238475]If you treat the girls like a mistress you will have a lot of success in the bowl, sugaring is what the early 20th century mistress has turned into. Successful men would have a mitress who they saw a couple of times of week back then it was widely accepted.

A lot of guys who are knew to sugaring treat it like an escort experience which it isn't.[/QUOTE]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too. One of the time sinks on Seeking for me is trying to sort through those who are by the hour hos and those that are more like a mistress. I've had some incredible long term SBs, so it's worth the effort, but it definitely takes time and patience.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6238109]Oliver is spot-on with this analysis. I read so many posts by guys who can't seem to find success in the bowl. If you can't find it, you really need to take a look at yourself, your goals and your approach because You are the one thing in common with all your failures. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, right?

I cruise a lot of the SB boards between Richmond and Jacksonville, and Atlanta has certainly become the go-to place for developing and honing your strategies. And I can certainly agree with the "keep them at arm's length" philosophy. If you don't want a traditional relationship, you Must keep them guessing and working for it. Once they decide you're hooked, their efforts to please begin to drop off. When that happens, don't be afraid to cut it off and move on. You found her, you'll find another.[/QUOTE]I will throw in my 2 cents. The experience some of you guys are reporting, it I think is most available to dudes in their 40's. I am past Medicare eligibility, there isn't a lot of opportunity for that for me. However, I do have experience w / long term SBs who were getting minimal sugar and we really had great relationships, intellectually, emotionally, and physically, we just never even got close to BF / GF thing. That includes a 40's MILF and a 20's coed. I have a SO.

The Richmond thread has been the de facto national sugaring thread for some time, the 6+ years I've been on this board. If Atlanta wants to take over that would be OK. It really is helpful to have a central place to go to for how-tos about all aspects of this lifestyle.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6238487]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too. One of the time sinks on Seeking for me is trying to sort through those who are by the hour hos and those that are more like a mistress. I've had some incredible long term SBs, so it's worth the effort, but it definitely takes time and patience.[/QUOTE]The same is true about any place that women hang go with the intention (or willingness) to meet guys. It includes bars, "regular" online dating sites, strip clubs, etc.

In my bar hopping days, it was not unusual to hit on a girl and then have her drop a hint that pay for play was available. Sometimes I was able to turn it into free sex, sometimes not. Get a little alcohol down any girl and the line between a hooker and a civilian can get quite blurred. Women pursue sex for the sake of the sexual experience sometimes, but the hot ones know that they can get that need easily met plus some money, and many of them figure why not do so.

But the thing is with Seeking, the site itself is actively taking measures to stomp out escort activity. So, despite the fact they are there, it's ultimately a pretty stupid place for either an escort or a john to be, since there are so many other ways to get what they both want. I say the same thing about pic sellers and buyers. For the love of fuck they have dedicated specialty sites for that. Use them.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6238487]In defense of those guys treating it like an escort experience, there are a lot of escorts in the bowl too..[/QUOTE]It is a full spectrum, on the site, that runs from stone cold hookers, at one extreme, to women who are interested in platonic dating, on the other. I actually talked to one like that who hadn't had sex in 27 years and was only on the site to find male friends. The rest of the girls are at different levels, between those two extremes.

I sometimes treat it like an escort experience, and other times I (somewhat foolishly) treat it like quasi-romantic dating. And I have even done both in the same day, with two different girls.

Generally, the women are on the site for the money, and most of them enjoy sex, so that is just a somewhat enjoyable way to get paid. And if they have more fun on a date than they expect, then that's just a bonus.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6238891]It is a full spectrum, on the site, that runs from stone cold hookers, at one extreme, to women who are interested in platonic dating, on the other. I actually talked to one like that who hadn't had sex in 27 years and was only on the site to find male friends. The rest of the girls are at different levels, between those two extremes.

I sometimes treat it like an escort experience, and other times I (somewhat foolishly) treat it like quasi-romantic dating. And I have even done both in the same day, with two different girls.

Generally, the women are on the site for the money, and most of them enjoy sex, so that is just a somewhat enjoyable way to get paid. And if they have more fun on a date than they expect, then that's just a bonus.[/QUOTE]My basic modus operandi is to avoid escorts as much as possible, but sometimes the line is too blurry to navigate, and at the end of the day I just want to get laid. My policy when I do need to operate in the grey area is that if they behave like a hooker, I am going to treat them as such and likewise if they behave as a daddy's girl they get an entirely different type of treatment from me.

Case in point, I once met a young hottie who I would categorize as a sugar baby and not escort (at least not yet), but she had been in the scene for nearly a couple of years, so she wasn't new to the game -- and I got the impression she was committed to the sugar lifestyle rather than regular dating. In other words, she had given up on dating in her age bracket and was strictly going for older high income guys.

Via texting, I explained my offering in terms of an ongoing arrangement and we texted back and forth a few times before setting up a meet. She started negotiating a higher rate and was being fairly stubborn about it, it was late in the evening, I was horny, and she was extremely hot so I agreed a middle ground between her terms and mine which was $100 more than my standard offering for per-meet, but this was in an expensive market anyway so I thought no big deal. When she showed up, it became clear to me she did not fully understand the monthly amount I was originally offering (and what all was involved) and was more focused on getting a per-meet price. As if she was assuming I would never call her again, or maybe that I was somehow not to be trusted. She did not demand payment up front but seemed like she wouldn't be at ease until I gave her a reason to trust me, so I did something that I never do. I pulled out the cash first, and said "here, put that in your purse". I am against the practice of paying before the deed, but made this one exception. Once I did that, it was like I had turned off the stress switch, she became very comfortable around me.

But, by pacifying her with cash up front, it made her a hooker in my eyes. So as she is sitting there on the couch, starting to kind of cuddle and talking about whatever she felt like talking about, I just unzipped my pants, pulled out my cock with one hand and pulled her head down into my lap with the other hand, stuffing her mouth so I didn't have to listen to any more talk. I then proceeded to fuck her like the paid sex object she demanded to be, making sure I got my moneys worth. Came inside, didn't ask for permission. Wham bam thank you mam and you may go home now thanks and nice meeting. Never called her again. Beautiful girl and a nice fuck, but negotiating rates and paying up front is something hookers do, so that's not going to be a repeat situation for me.

This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6239477]My basic modus operandi is to avoid escorts as much as possible, but sometimes the line is too blurry to navigate, and at the end of the day I just want to get laid. My policy when I do need to operate in the grey area is that if they behave like a hooker, I am going to treat them as such and likewise if they behave as a daddy's girl they get an entirely different type of treatment from me.

Case in point, I once met a young hottie who I would categorize as a sugar baby and not escort (at least not yet), but she had been in the scene for nearly a couple of years, so she wasn't new to the game -- and I got the impression she was committed to the sugar lifestyle rather than regular dating. In other words, she had given up on dating in her age bracket and was strictly going for older high income guys.

Via texting, I explained my offering in terms of an ongoing arrangement and we texted back and forth a few times before setting up a meet. She started negotiating a higher rate and was being fairly stubborn about it, it was late in the evening, I was horny, and she was extremely hot so I agreed a middle ground between her terms and mine which was $100 more than my standard offering for per-meet, but this was in an expensive market anyway so I thought no big deal. When she showed up, it became clear to me she did not fully understand the monthly amount I was originally offering (and what all was involved) and was more focused on getting a per-meet price. As if she was assuming I would never call her again, or maybe that I was somehow not to be trusted. She did not demand payment up front but seemed like she wouldn't be at ease until I gave her a reason to trust me, so I did something that I never do. I pulled out the cash first, and said "here, put that in your purse". I am against the practice of paying before the deed, but made this one exception. Once I did that, it was like I had turned off the stress switch, she became very comfortable around me.

But, by pacifying her with cash up front, it made her a hooker in my eyes. So as she is sitting there on the couch, starting to kind of cuddle and talking about whatever she felt like talking about, I just unzipped my pants, pulled out my cock with one hand and pulled her head down into my lap with the other hand, stuffing her mouth so I didn't have to listen to any more talk. I then proceeded to fuck her like the paid sex object she demanded to be, making sure I got my moneys worth. Came inside, didn't ask for permission. Wham bam thank you mam and you may go home now thanks and nice meeting. Never called her again. Beautiful girl and a nice fuck, but negotiating rates and paying up front is something hookers do, so that's not going to be a repeat situation for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]It would be even better if we could collectively gather the wherewithal to understand not everyone plays the game the same way. Some are here to exchange ideas and experiences, not review escorts. Real SBs choose who they fuck. If johns are making appointments with girls based on reviews, they are just customers to an escort. The only way I would post something about a specific girl and her profile on this forum is if I had a particularly bad experience and wanted to warn others, but so far that hasn't happened yet. If someone wants to review girls as commodities, however, fine with me and this is a reasonable place to do that. Its not my place to be a prick and presume to tell them what to do.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6239623]It would be even better if we could collectively gather the wherewithal to understand not everyone plays the game the same way. Some are here to exchange ideas and experiences, not review escorts. Real SBs choose who they fuck. If johns are making appointments with girls based on reviews, they are just customers to an escort. The only way I would post something about a specific girl and her profile on this forum is if I had a particularly bad experience and wanted to warn others, but so far that hasn't happened yet. If someone wants to review girls as commodities, however, fine with me and this is a reasonable place to do that. Its not my place to be a prick and presume to tell them what to do.[/QUOTE]I read it all and base who I see, and approach on all I've read, so thank from me for any and all info / suggestions.

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]YK seeking is the only place I can find the relationship type I am looking for. Because that is what it is, for someone I am seeing, I am not going to pimp her out on this site. It is just completely anathema to how I relate to them. If you want to review escorts, there are different threads for that. I am not even from Atlanta, but I read this thread to get perspective and ideas, and to offer my own experience. I don't care a whit about some girl in Gwinnett who DTs.

She got mad that I couldn't meet her the same day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL]

Any info on them.

Bellas Play House.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL]

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6239552]This forum would be great if we went back to reviewing & recommending Sugar babies.[/QUOTE]Alright, being as you're so eager to get this thread back on track, drop a review of your top 1 or 2 SB recommendations from the past 30-60 days. Don't forget to include profile links and / or pics. And no, reviews of obvious scammers / pic sellers don't count.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;6242073]Any info on them.

Bellas Play House.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d868bfcf-9d70-447a-b031-f9a26f7a1aa7[/URL][/QUOTE]You linked to Nezzy in both of your posts.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9...9-036c5aaeaa54[/URL]

Here's one a I saw earlier in the year when she was in Atlanta. Very fun, very kinky, just loves sex. Very much wants the "date experience" especially at first, so be prepared to do dinner / drinks first. She bounces between SC and Atlanta so keep an eye out and catch her next time she's in Atl.

Very submissive but doesn't give head on a first date, though still fucks bare. Will suck your cock like it's the cure to aging after the first date though LOL. She didn't host in Atlanta, so was a little higher than I recommend at 300 plus hotel. If she hosts though 300 is very worth it as she is the perfect little submissive sl ut. Toys, anal, BDSM, the works. Treat her well.