The Rat Trap

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.[/QUOTE]While I've been focusing primarily on the fact that both sides of the equation, monger and provider, factor into the price, it's also very true that many other variables exist as well. While you mentioned quite a few variables, location is significant too. How often do we have guys comparing prices in Orlando versus in Miami, or a different State or even a different country. Bottom line, it's foolish to believe the monger "union" can outright dictate prices.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4690986]We will never "all participate". It can't and will never happen.

There will always be guys that flat out don't care about price, since they're basically made of money and can just throw as much money away as they desire to get exactly the girl they want.

There will always be guys who have a limited timeframe to play, and so they will pay the asking price to get pussy NOW. They don't have time to go through an exhaustive list of providers until they find one that meets some union standard.

There will always be guys who use their personal phones to contact girls. Heaven forbid he try to negotiate and piss her off, causing her to blow up his phone and have his significant other find out what he's been up to.

There will always be guys that are too shy to speak up for themselves, and will just concede to her asking price because they know no better than to even try to negotiate.

And the reasons for not participating in such a union just go on, and on, and on.

You guys that may have "drawn your line in the sand" are in the same union. But there are many unions out there, each with their own individual standards, and nobody is going to change![/QUOTE]Just face it some guys are not used to driving rolls-royce's LOL the old run-down clinkers fits them best. That's why they say pussy is pussy.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?"

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]It is just my opinion but once upon a time when girls like Michele1 L, Daliah, KatyLovett, Gater, Sara and a few others were busy, prices were more reasonable and the quality of product was very good. I can't say for sure, but I know a few of these ladies knew each other and, basically, fixed their prices, and quality and dominated the business, basically, shutting out lesser quality girls. I think it could be argued that they had a coalition and controlled the hobby. They have all moved on or, like Michele, have changed the business model.

Thing is, I don't think any of those girls were drugged out. All pretty smart.

And here we are today.

C3.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4690586]

So who's team are you on?[/QUOTE]Not on your team. You're out here scraping the bottom of the barrel to save a 20 spot. Three red flags and you still hang around to get setup / robbed. DAF.

Post 2566.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690628&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690628.

You talk her down to a "reasonable 100 hh" and you don't even get the girl in the pics, shit service and rushed out the door.

Post 2567.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690653&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690653.

Sounds like being a cheapskate is really paying off for you.

Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

[QUOTE=Ymmv1515;4691737]Just face it some guys are not used to driving rolls-royce's LOL the old run-down clinkers fits them best. That's why they say pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]Sad. So sad. While these girls get together and organize, you just say "nah, too much work, it will never work, it's impossible. Blah, blah, blah. Lame! See they know how to manipulate men because they know that most men are suckers for the pussy. So much so, that some are even stupid enough to use cash app! I mean seriously? Smh.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4690986]We will never "all participate". It can't and will never happen.

There will always be guys that flat out don't care about price, since they're basically made of money and can just throw as much money away as they desire to get exactly the girl they want.

There will always be guys who have a limited timeframe to play, and so they will pay the asking price to get pussy NOW. They don't have time to go through an exhaustive list of providers until they find one that meets some union standard.

There will always be guys who use their personal phones to contact girls. Heaven forbid he try to negotiate and piss her off, causing her to blow up his phone and have his significant other find out what he's been up to.

There will always be guys that are too shy to speak up for themselves, and will just concede to her asking price because they know no better than to even try to negotiate.

And the reasons for not participating in such a union just go on, and on, and on.

You guys that may have "drawn your line in the sand" are in the same union. But there are many unions out there, each with their own individual standards, and nobody is going to change![/QUOTE]What does a girls situation have to do with me or us? We didn't put them in that situation. The decision to ***** around is theirs and theirs alone and so is the consequences that go along with it. Whether one gives "good service" or not is also irrelevant. Define good service. One man's "good service" is another man's "shit service. " It's all subjective.

In my mind, it's one species outwitting the other. Fortunately, I'm not part of the "other. " The only REAL "FOOLISH" thing is to allow it to continue.

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.[/QUOTE]

Hey little guy! How you doing? The bus dropped you off on the wrong stop? Aww...what's your problem buddy? Can't face the truth? It's ok little guy, you're just a sucker without a cause. Hahaha

I post a review to warn the fellas and you want to exploit that? Wow! That's low! That's a kick to the balls...really dirty and pointless. You're taking this really personal buddy, maybe you should sit this one out and let your hormones relax. You don't wanna stir up something you can't handle. BTW, I've had a shit ton more wins than losses. Everyone goes thru this shit. What's your point?

And you say "cheapsakte?" So you're saying if I would've gave 200 hh it would've made everything better? Haha!! Genius? Why didn't I think of that? If you're suggesting a higher price gets me a better experience, you're even more of a sucker than you realize.

Why you so mad buddy? What's got you on my nuts? White knight much? 😂 😂

[QUOTE=IIIII;4692382]Not on your team. You're out here scraping the bottom of the barrel to save a 20 spot. Three red flags and you still hang around to get setup / robbed. DAF.

Post 2566.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690628&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690628.

You talk her down to a "reasonable 100 hh" and you don't even get the girl in the pics, shit service and rushed out the door.

Post 2567.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5943-Negative-Escort-Reviews&p=4690653&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4690653.

Sounds like being a cheapskate is really paying off for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrollingObt;4690604]
The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up. [/QUOTE]I don't negotiate for this reason. If she doesn't agree to my offer or her asking is out of my range, I say "I'm absolutely sure you are worth that, but I'm not comfortable with that number. Thank you and good luck. " And I move on. The one or two times I have negotiated, I have regretted it as it resulted in a shorter menu or a rushed visit. Admittedly, I am a part-timer at best and meet the description of one who has very limited windows of availability. If negotiating works for you, awesome. I just want to go into a visit with the vague idea we both are comfortable with the arrangement. Its one less thing to get in the way of the good time.

That said, in the end, market forces will always prevail.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4692384]Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

Sad. So sad. While these girls get together and organize, you just say "nah, too much work, it will never work, it's impossible. Blah, blah, blah. Lame! See they know how to manipulate men because they know that most men are suckers for the pussy. So much so, that some are even stupid enough to use cash app! I mean seriously? Smh.

What does a girls situation have to do with me or us? We didn't put them in that situation. The decision to ***** around is theirs and theirs alone and so is the consequences that go along with it. Whether one gives "good service" or not is also irrelevant. Define good service. One man's "good service" is another man's "shit service. " It's all subjective.

In my mind, it's one species outwitting the other. Fortunately, I'm not part of the "other. " The only REAL "FOOLISH" thing is to allow it to continue.[/QUOTE]If qualities what you speaking of the quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. And the girls you referring to not even my class! So that tells me how much you know about quality too. This is just a game for me a hobby nothing serious. I have a nice piece of ass next to me every night!!

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4692384]Buddy, I know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't. Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Is it really that important to you? You believe pussy is a "Rolls-Royce?" If so, then you're done, you don't really have an option. Where I come from that's called being "pussy whipped!

BTW, Rolls-Royce is a shit car, no longer worth anything, shows how much you really know about quality.

[/QUOTE]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.

Seriously, WTF happened to Chris5? Where is he?

I just came out of retirement to beat down a habitual loser (Negrapist / Grogin / Toujula now Olgary) nd figured I would take batting practice in Chrissy, you know like warming up. Seems he is dead or gone, I guess either are better for the board but what will I do? LMAO.

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4693110]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.[/QUOTE]LOL. Buddy I've been at this for a long time and I've seen all the one's you've mentioned (and some you will never know about), with the exception of Avalon. What's your point? Yes, they "fuck you!" Thanks for making that point. LOL Talking about "highschool sweetheart? Seriously?? Seems like you and all the other's in your camp are looking for romance in this hobby. LMAO!! Hate to break to ya, but they are NOT your girlfriend (s)! The only thing these girls care about is your wallet! Don't ever forget that! Pussy is pussy! It's just pussy! Doesn't matter if it's STG, EA, OBT. It's ALL the same!

A REAL quality woman DOES NOT do this for a living! Get out of your fantasy and get back to reality buddy.

Who works for who? With the way you're talking, seems like you work for them.

[QUOTE=Ymmv1515;4692795]If qualities what you speaking of the quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. And the girls you referring to not even my class! So that tells me how much you know about quality too. This is just a game for me a hobby nothing serious. I have a nice piece of ass next to me every night!![/QUOTE]You brought up "quality" knucklehead! I just put you on check. And what the hell are you babbling about? "quality starts with you you going out with low credit you come out paying high. She had your s* together you will be begging for a lower rates. " You speak English bro? I don't beg, I don't EVER beg! Unlike you and the others. I hold myself to a MUCH higher value! I'm the one with the MONEY so I call the shots! Point, blank, period!

I will NEVER beg for pussy. EVER! Fuck that! Pussy is NOT that important! You claim this is a game for you and yet you're the one who gets played by these hoes! LOL Ya, ok, check yourself, before you lose yourself! Seems like you're just like your other buddy, trying to look for a girlfriend in this hobby! LMAO!

Who works for who?

[QUOTE=GeorgeMason;4693110]Sorry man, but you'll never get many of us here to say pussy is just pussy. That may be true on OBT, but not for all the other pussy.

Those who have seen the likes of Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon well know the difference between a woman who "fucks us", and one who just lays there and let's us "fuck them". And one who makes you feel like she's your high school sweetheart, versus some kind of mannequin sex doll.

If you truly believe that pussy is just pussy, then either you never wander off of OBT, or you really do NOT know the difference between a good quality product, and one that isn't.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with you Georgie. They are fucking you & Not in a good way! ROTFF.

Livin' The Dream.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4691850]It is just my opinion but once upon a time when girls like Michele1 L, Daliah, KatyLovett, Gater, Sara and a few others were busy, prices were more reasonable and the quality of product was very good. I can't say for sure, but I know a few of these ladies knew each other and, basically, fixed their prices, and quality and dominated the business, basically, shutting out lesser quality girls. I think it could be argued that they had a coalition and controlled the hobby. They have all moved on or, like Michele, have changed the business model.

Thing is, I don't think any of those girls were drugged out. All pretty smart.

And here we are today.

C3.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your comment and your observation. More importantly, your rationale. I agree with your assessment. As for the drugs. LOL Meh.

The "quality" has declined so drastically these days that I'm about to call it quits all together. This hobby USED to be fun. All I see posting online now are younger no-name, no reviews and completely new girls, in either the hobby or this town, demanding 100-150 qv! They demand you pay for their ride for outcalls and I even see these hoes demand 80-100 qv for car dates! WTF?? Hell NO!

And to top it off, they have all these restrictions that make you wonder, "why the fuck are you posting?" I'm even seeing girls that were or are, SW's jumping on that band wagon. I'll be honest, I can't blame them. They're jumping on that gravy train that is Orlando's "men. " They know it can be had so they go for it! All the power to them! But I will NEVER entertain it!

It's fair to say all of us in this hobby sees money simply as just another tool; The price doesn't dictate how good the pussy is or going to be.

Sure, you can use -insert name of pricey hookers- to back up your points on good fucks for extra cash. I can say I've had 40-80 (regular) dates doing all I want them to do with enthusiasm. No STD here (knock on wood) proven 2 days ago! Woohoo!

At the end of the day, pussy for sale is just pussy for sale. Doesn't phase me anymore when a girl hikes up the price. A girl could be a hot piece of ass walking around but I've fucked better looking and leaner pussy.

A 400 dollar "escort" is just another hooker.