"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2820458]So while the prior posters have generously given an excellent, detailed "how to" of how to find the real identities of the girls. I'll add this:

Don't be an idiot and tell the girl what her last name is when she hasn't give it to you. Don't act like the "smartest cat in the room" by letting her "know" you know private info about her. Info she has not given you her self. While it might be personally satisfying, to show how smart you are to have found all of her info- how do you think that is going to make a SB feel? Bet a bunch of SBs are quietly creeped out and think you have stalker tendencies or "control issues. " So keep any info you find in your pocket. Smile and know she isn't a hardened pro and just a real regular girl doing some profitable dating. Nothing to be gained by telling her info you found.

Look this advice comes from experience. I played that game (I'm smarter than you) where I told a girl private info I found about her. The BP style girls could care less as their friends already knew what they were doing for a living. But the smarter girls and the SB types got freaked out. Had one end a date, just as it got going because she was scared I was a stalker or CL-killer type. Look, all of these girls hear the horror stories about internet dating. So when you do something odd, like showing you searched her private info it makes you look like a wacko, in their minds. That is what the SB told me, she was scared, and didn't continue. Shortly there after she closed up all of the "holes" that allowed me to find her info. I have danced around the issue enough with many girls to know the overall "concern" many have. If you want to know their last name, just ask. If you do that in a sweet, kind way, not an interrogation, you usually get an answer. After a trip to the FC, if things went well, you can just ask her to send you a link to her FB page.

HOWEVER, above all, [B] DO NOT TELL THE GIRL HER INFO IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE![/B] Look if you intend to marry the girl and want to protect her privacy, then yeah, help her close up these openings. But if she is just a one-off date or short-term (<6-mo. SB), then in the long run, you are F'in yourself by helping her close any breaches. Girls know other girls and don't think girls on SB sites don't email other girls and form friendships. There is often a whole under current network you'll never suspect. Remember women are innately more social than dudes! So being a White Knight and "telling" a girl about holes or ways to find her info can't help in the long run. Nothing in life stands still and as time goes by these girls are going to learn and close those ways for you to find them. So don't help the evolution along by being a "nice guy," otherwise soon enough you'll be back to flying blind again.

Hey, I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Ceph. I TOTALLY agree. But many of the discussions on here relate to negotiations with SBs, how to determine if an SB is worth spending time on, and or our own safety concerns. My motivation for obtaining info is to help address those issues. First. Is she a "pro" or "semi-Pro"? The answer to that can frequently save me a lot of wasted time and money. Second, I don't like walking into any unknown situation blind. I want to have as much info as I can available. Knowing who they are helps me decide whether to pursue or not pursue. Reading their Twitter or FB page can go a long ways towards me knowing what their current situation is, financially, emotionally, etc. We've all had M&G's with SB's that are nut jobs. Sometimes I can see that coming and walk the other way. And frankly, seeing multiple pictures helps me make the decision about who to contact or not, and influences how much I am willing to spend. Sometimes they look AMAZING in their profile pics and less so in person. I recently posted about finding out that a local SB was using a picture from H. S. that was a couple of years old. Seeing those pics gives me a clear view of the "real" person. But I absolutely agree with the "White Knight" comments you made. It would eventually backfire. And I would also never advocate using info to manipulate an SB. I think that's f**ked up. However, I will say this, knowing who she is DOES protect me. Because if I ever walked into a situation where an SB tried to scam me or blackmail me (thinking I had no idea who she is), she would be in for HUGE surprise. "Hello, Mrs. Smith... ".

Stay Safe,

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2820874]Ceph. I TOTALLY agree. But many of the discussions on here relate to negotiations with SBs, how to determine if an SB is worth spending time on, and or our own safety concerns. My motivation for obtaining info is to help address those issues. First. Is she a "pro" or "semi-Pro"? The answer to that can frequently save me a lot of wasted time and money. Second, I don't like walking into any unknown situation blind. I want to have as much info as I can available. Knowing who they are helps me decide whether to pursue or not pursue. Reading their Twitter or FB page can go a long ways towards me knowing what their current situation is, financially, emotionally, etc. We've all had M&G's with SB's that are nut jobs. Sometimes I can see that coming and walk the other way. And frankly, seeing multiple pictures helps me make the decision about who to contact or not, and influences how much I am willing to spend. Sometimes they look AMAZING in their profile pics and less so in person. I recently posted about finding out that a local SB was using a picture from H. S. that was a couple of years old. Seeing those pics gives me a clear view of the "real" person. But I absolutely agree with the "White Knight" comments you made. It would eventually backfire. And I would also never advocate using info to manipulate an SB. I think that's f**ked up. However, I will say this, knowing who she is DOES protect me. Because if I ever walked into a situation where an SB tried to scam me or blackmail me (thinking I had no idea who she is), she would be in for HUGE surprise. "Hello, Mrs. Smith... ".

Stay Safe,

Starkey.[/QUOTE]LOL guys never cease to amaze me. This is a fairly simple hobby that guys who have to much time on their hands turn into cloak and dagger episodes.

After 3 or 4 text if you can't tell if she is pro or utr then you have problems. After the M / G all doubts should be removed.

Most mongers are only going to see a sb a couple of times before they find a reason to move on anyway so lets not turn this into a CIA operation. If you see one long enough she will tell you anything you want to know.

Now imagine at your first M\G that she showed how smart she was and laid out all your info and showed you what you made per year and asked why you was low balling her. I think you would call her a Stalker, crazy obsessive and probably seeking police protection.

Most true sb here are seeking help in some form and feel no need to create the false identity, email, bag of burner phones that make us mongers feel superior and safer. I operate on the KISS theory which works fine for me. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2820458]So while the prior posters have generously given an excellent, detailed "how to" of how to find the real identities of the girls. I'll add this:

Don't be an idiot and tell the girl what her last name is when she hasn't give it to you. Don't act like the "smartest cat in the room" by letting her "know" you know private info about her. Info she has not given you her self. While it might be personally satisfying, to show how smart you are to have found all of her info- how do you think that is going to make a SB feel? Bet a bunch of SBs are quietly creeped out and think you have stalker tendencies or "control issues. " So keep any info you find in your pocket. Smile and know she isn't a hardened pro and just a real regular girl doing some profitable dating. Nothing to be gained by telling her info you found.

Look this advice comes from experience. I played that game (I'm smarter than you) where I told a girl private info I found about her. The BP style girls could care less as their friends already knew what they were doing for a living. But the smarter girls and the SB types got freaked out. Had one end a date, just as it got going because she was scared I was a stalker or CL-killer type. Look, all of these girls hear the horror stories about internet dating. So when you do something odd, like showing you searched her private info it makes you look like a wacko, in their minds. That is what the SB told me, she was scared, and didn't continue. Shortly there after she closed up all of the "holes" that allowed me to find her info. I have danced around the issue enough with many girls to know the overall "concern" many have. If you want to know their last name, just ask. If you do that in a sweet, kind way, not an interrogation, you usually get an answer. After a trip to the FC, if things went well, you can just ask her to send you a link to her FB page.

HOWEVER, above all, [B] DO NOT TELL THE GIRL HER INFO IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE![/B] Look if you intend to marry the girl and want to protect her privacy, then yeah, help her close up these openings. But if she is just a one-off date or short-term (<6-mo. SB), then in the long run, you are F'in yourself by helping her close any breaches. Girls know other girls and don't think girls on SB sites don't email other girls and form friendships. There is often a whole under current network you'll never suspect. Remember women are innately more social than dudes! So being a White Knight and "telling" a girl about holes or ways to find her info can't help in the long run. Nothing in life stands still and as time goes by these girls are going to learn and close those ways for you to find them. So don't help the evolution along by being a "nice guy," otherwise soon enough you'll be back to flying blind again.

Hey, I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Well said.

There is an offline group of daddies with a list of sugar baby reviews for DC, MD, NoVA.

PM me if interested.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2820038]I just noticed that too. Can you let me know what that tool is to grab the photo? You can PM me if it is confidential.[/QUOTE]You don't need a separate tool. I've discovered that you can drag the picture into a Google images search box directly from the web page. It won't work if you enlarge the picture first, only if you drag it from the profile page. It's particularly easy if you have a dual-monitor setup.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2820984]Now imagine at your first M\G that she showed how smart she was and laid out all your info and showed you what you made per year and asked why you was low balling her. I think you would call her a Stalker, crazy obsessive and probably seeking police protection.

Most true sb here are seeking help in some form and feel no need to create the false identity, email, bag of burner phones that make us mongers feel superior and safer. I operate on the KISS theory which works fine for me. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of a post that was on here a few weeks ago. The poster said that in order to be able to maintain plausible deniability when he sends SBs his picture, he uses ones that anyone could get off the internet. The downside of that practice is that the SBs can do what we do -- Google the image and find out identifying information.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2821287]Well said.[/QUOTE]Yes very good advice.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2820874]Ceph. I TOTALLY agree. But many of the discussions on here relate to negotiations with SBs, how to determine if an SB is worth spending time on, and or our own safety concerns. My motivation for obtaining info is to help address those issues. First. Is she a "pro" or "semi-Pro"? The answer to that can frequently save me a lot of wasted time and money. Second, I don't like walking into any unknown situation blind. I want to have as much info as I can available. Knowing who they are helps me decide whether to pursue or not pursue. Reading their Twitter or FB page can go a long ways towards me knowing what their current situation is, financially, emotionally, etc. We've all had M&G's with SB's that are nut jobs. Sometimes I can see that coming and walk the other way. And frankly, seeing multiple pictures helps me make the decision about who to contact or not, and influences how much I am willing to spend. Sometimes they look AMAZING in their profile pics and less so in person. I recently posted about finding out that a local SB was using a picture from H. S. that was a couple of years old. Seeing those pics gives me a clear view of the "real" person. But I absolutely agree with the "White Knight" comments you made. It would eventually backfire. And I would also never advocate using info to manipulate an SB. I think that's f**ked up. However, I will say this, knowing who she is DOES protect me. Because if I ever walked into a situation where an SB tried to scam me or blackmail me (thinking I had no idea who she is), she would be in for HUGE surprise. "Hello, Mrs. Smith... ".

Stay Safe,

Starkey.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. Information is power, and would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. And some times it is not about sleuthing them on the internet, its about paying attention to the answers to their questions.

But I also go in to every situation ASSUMING they have done their best to check me out, and will continue to do so. Have heard many stories from POTS about flaky guys, liars, guys who fuck and flee before giving them the sugar. Some of these girls are bordering on paranoid and for good reason. Don't think they aren't trying to figure out your true income to make sure you can deliver on the promised allowance.

[QUOTE=MoonlightGam;2822367]This reminds me of a post that was on here a few weeks ago. The poster said that in order to be able to maintain plausible deniability when he sends SBs his picture, he uses ones that anyone could get off the internet. The downside of that practice is that the SBs can do what we do -- Google the image and find out identifying information.[/QUOTE]Both sides should do due diligence. The SB has the same complaints as we do, from old pics or someone entirely different to the pic they sent showing up, to being stolen from while taking a shower. Arrogant guys who treat them and make them feel like a piece of shit.

The m / g is where you make your determination on whether your going further. What do you think the impression is goi g to be if your not the guy in the pic you sent. Most usually a red flag which is going to make the baby leave or did really deep as to who you are unless she's a pro or utr. The one who is really digging is the serial SB cause she has had a couple of long term daddys who have taken good care of her.

Most of these girls are just looking for a guy who treats them good and doesn't send them into the 7-11 with $5 and wants his change and receipt back LOL. If you stick with these girls for 2-3 months most will drop the sugar completely after they find out your a good guy and they don't have to support you.

My point is way to much time trying to do CIA work when most guys don't plan on sticking around after 2-3 times.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2821407]There is an offline group of daddies with a list of sugar baby reviews for DC, MD, NoVA.

PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]Love to get that list if I can I go to Manasass once a week I did meet some very good others don't have much response. Please pass it on I will also contribute to that list.

Thank you.

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[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2823372][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/college-students-selling-themselves-pay-011511703.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Excellent marketing effort sponsored by SA. They pay Yahoo very well to present the glamorous image and the "$3 k a month average".

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I rarely check in to read anymore, much less post, but recently I noticed there has been some very good discussion about intel gathering on the girls, their privacy, the importance of respecting it or at least not revealing what you know. I can't think of any other advice in the history of the thread that warrants reinforcement more than this fact. Sometimes the best advice in life is so obvious that it slips into our subconscious only to be forgotten. This one should become mantra. Never, ever, reveal what you know about her. It won't benefit you and it won't benefit the scene. There isn't a woman on the planet, SB or otherwise, that wants to be investigated or talked about behind her back. Is it really gender specific? Do you want to be investigated or gossiped about? Probably not if you're married / with SO. Males probably innately don't mind someone talking about how many hot young college girls they've fucked, but that instinct was developed via evolution slowly over time and has not caught up with modern social media. For example, did you know that if you Google a girls name and find her _ profile (fill in the blank with LinkedIn, Google+, Facebook), if you click that link from a computer where you have ever logged into the same service, there is a possibility she is getting an immediate notification of who viewed her (for example LinkedIn does this the last time I checked)? Even if some services do not notify her today, they may provide her a list of identities that have viewed her at a future date. If your real name is anywhere close to the computer that those accounts are on, she may have a direct path to you. If you're technically savvy enough to cover your tracks, all of this can be prevented pretty easily, just know that it can seriously escalate the amount of time / effort / thought that goes into pussy chasing. You might also be thinking "well these little beauties aren't smart enough to figure the interwebs out", but not only is the current generation of SBs much more social-media savvy than the average 40+ year old, but they have younger boyfriends and / or girlfriends that will seek to impress them with there technical savvy by trying to identify Mr Anonymous SD, so do not underestimate the power of crowd-sourced know-how. I suspect in most cases, even if they do know who you are and how to get in touch with your family, they probably won't make waves, but it's a good idea to consider all angles.

But then there is a greater reason to not reveal how much you know about her. Let's say she is not the type to reciprocate, and try to find out about you. Let's say it just plain scares her. What next? If she's scared enough she may delete her profile, or just start vetting SDs more carefully. Maybe even adding "I've had a bad experience before" to her profile, or similar. What has happened here? The supply of SBs has taken a damage hit, and that's not good for SDs. We should want to do things that increase supply, make the activities seem more fun and safe, not give them something to worry about.

As was pointed out previously, they WILL NOT see you as smarter for having found something out. It WILL NOT result in more pussy or better sex (quite the opposite). Even if you get burned or flaked on, it's better to end peacefully than call her out. The very best that can come of a rage-move like outing her is that the supply of SBs has been decreased by one, and that's an advantage for the ladies and a disadvantage for the SDs.

That said, I'm not discouraging investigating. I do it too. Just be careful how you do it.

Also about FB pre-screening. It can be enormously useful but it can also result in missed opportunities. There was one case where I had completely ignored a profile on SA that had expressed interest in me. The only 3 pics she uploaded were okay but kind of plain and girl next door compared to the others on the menu, did not excite me at all so I never responded. A month or two later I was in a strip club, and was talking to a very hot dancer, selling her on the idea of being my next SB. Later on I logged on to the site, and realized the lackluster pics I saw before were of the same girl. Point is, some girls do not present themselves well in photos. So, if you do some prescreening on FB, and you see pics of them around the house or with family that don't appeal to you after looking at all the "marketing" selfies posted to the websites, just remember that they probably took 100 photos and posted the best one or two on the website. And, you might be missing out on some good pussy by rejecting them just because you saw what they look like in the morning with no makeup, eating cereal and making a stupid face or whatever. It's unfortunate that FB and other sites have allowed over-sharing to disrupt our hobby to this extent, but you have to remember when you go searching for things that weren't intended for your eyes, you might get something you don't want, and what's worse, possibly miss an opportunity you DO want.

Tried the SB / SD4 me thing and managed to fish out one SB in my initial membership which has now lapsed. We did a car date M&G for lack of a place to get together. Fun but not too satisfying, received head and took pictures. Didn't consider her a repeat until I got horny and called her up. Set up another car date with more BBBJ and a brief BBFS. Each time giving her $ for her time. Discussed a gang bang with her and she was up for that but I couldn't get it organized at least not yet. I did take her to Thads a San Diego swingers club. The place was a disappointment for me as there weren't any interested couples in swapping, though they did watch her and I get it on. She did have a session with a single black lady and did get fucked by a guy that interested her so at least one of us had some fun. I text her every so often and we are to the point of free fucking so it is just finding the time and place. She is 19 plump tall but not a BBW, a nice girl works as a clerk in a store and fucks around. She is interested in pulling a chain, just haven't worked on that yet. So I consider this a successful SB story.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2823030]
. If you stick with these girls for 2-3 months most will drop the sugar completely after they find out your a good guy and they don't have to support you.
[/QUOTE]Respectfully, this statement is incorrect and will mislead the SDs out there. Your personal experience might be that way-good for you! But girls are on Sugar sites to get money -just as the video you posted said, not to find some date worthy older man. A small number might be thrilled to find a nice guy and do not need / want allowance, but I assure you 99% are not going to be giving freebies to the majority of us.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2824566]Respectfully, this statement is incorrect and will mislead the SDs out there. Your personal experience might be that way-good for you! But girls are on Sugar sites to get money -just as the video you posted said, not to find some date worthy older man. A small number might be thrilled to find a nice guy and do not need / want allowance, but I assure you 99% are not going to be giving freebies to the majority of us.[/QUOTE]I'm an older guy mid 60 range. My definition of a SD is quite different than most here.

Most here are guys who see how many babies they can go through and find any excuse to dump them after a meeting or 2.

My definition of a SB is quite different also. I also have a different age group that I look for, not the high school to 20 age group that looks like Barbie. If your a good guy and treat them with respect, something that most certainly aren't used to and stick around for awhile you would be surprised to what good will you build up. Now if you want to date 10's and 40 years older its definitely about the money, not because your a heck of a guy LOL.

I have 2 at the moment, first early 40's have been with for a year. Cut the arrangement out after 4 months. Still see her because she feels comfortable with me and can talk to me which is a big deal for her. We do dinner, movies and fuck a couple of times a month.

The second is 28 and a little fat girl who is a flat out freak. Have seen here for over 6 months and she drives over an hour one way to see me a couple times a month. I give her $50 for gas and toll money. Has never asked for a penny. Now granted these aren't beauty queens but I am certainly no prize myself. Oh and both removed their profile from SA.

Everyone here has their own expectations and I agree, cut the money off and see how long they suck your dick. I personally would rather have free pussy than knowing that the only reason I'm fucking something is for the sugar provided. Most arrangements on the sugar site is not much different than BP or the classifieds from what I experienced.