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[QUOTE=SolRayode8;6339520]Be careful of this one:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa101987-562a-4e56-b2fe-98545d4555a1[/URL]

It amazes me that some people have nothing better to do than waste other people's time. This one says she's in Bethesda; we chatted for a couple of weeks, mainly small talk and getting to know each other, no talk of $$, a gift card, gas, Uber or anything else; all seemed to be going well. She asked to move to Whats app, which we did; we agreed to meet in person next week, but she hit me up this morning asking if I could meet today after she gets off work around 6:30 pm. I agreed and recommended meeting at a restaurant in Bethesda; she said she'd rather meet somewhere more private for some fun. I suggested a hotel in the Bethesda / Rockville area, she agreed and asked me to make the reservations. I made the reservation ([URL]DayUse.com[/URL]) and told her it was all set and sent her the address. She said it would take her about an hour to get to the hotel after work. I reached out at 5 pm to confirm we were still set to meet this evening; she asked if I'd booked the hotel, I said yes, she said ok and that she would see me between 7:30 pm and 8 pm. I grabbed a bite to eat near the hotel around 6:45 pm and waited. Crickets; no show, no call, no text, no whats app message. It was a Day Use reservation, easy to cancel, no money out of my pocket, but I'll never get that time back.[/QUOTE]She's now listed in Colorado Springs. WTF?!

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6340745]You talking with SA or other methods?

In the Manhattan BBFS thread, only girls that aren't busted who do BBFS are Asian AMP girls, and I don't like Asians.[/QUOTE]Ok, then oh well. I like Asians, so we just will agree to disagree. If I score, I will share, good luck.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6340745]You talking with SA or other methods?

In the Manhattan BBFS thread, only girls that aren't busted who do BBFS are Asian AMP girls, and I don't like Asians.[/QUOTE]You don't discuss BBFS. Just get these hoes wet and thirsty then slip it in. Works for me all the time unless it's a pro which starts laying down all the rule. I'd just fucking leave.

[QUOTE=FogHorn1;6339377]Traded a few messages with her. She's reaching to think she's worth her ask.[/QUOTE]Least it looks like she's trying to be, her followers are a little short though.

I haven't been very active recently but I was pretty active and successful a few yrs ago on SA. Posted here a few success stories in the past.

I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. First thing I have noticed is the quality in DC has gone downhill. Like really dumps. So anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. Not overnight just per meet. Girls that used to be happy for 500-600 are now not budging off the 1 k figure. Even some 6/7's who might have an interesting and well written profile (IE bit brighter than the average bimbo on SA) seem to be asking for 1 k. These average 6/7 girls I would not pay a penny to sleep with since I know I could do better in real life for free.

And this doesn't seem to be a DC area thing either, I travel a lot and when I'm looking for girls in slightly lesser metros (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago) the ask is the same 1 k if they are an 8+. I'd do 1 k for an overnight or longer but 1 k for a couple of hours is a hard pill to swallow because fucking for couple hours I am still not completely satisficed. Need my balls drained one more time before like an early morning BBBJCIM LOL.

Anyway I have had success in the $500 range in towns like Tucson, Oklahoma city, but I usually don't visit often these kind of smaller towns. When I do it seems good value for money but I don't travel for sex I find the sex where I travel for work and its just pointless.

Any thoughts? What towns have you had success in?

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6337393]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/33015732-8a97-42f8-b953-12c031eba48e[/URL]

Still communicating with her but she takes days before responding to texts. She keeps asking to remind her who I am with a pic every time I message her, I just send her the same one. She did not give PPM. DTF and is bi, but also seems flaky. No PPM amount given.


[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/514a67de-4e7b-4baf-abcb-210515d0f4b1[/URL]

A bit aggressive. She wants someone to just be dominating. But she tries to get your to commit and talk pricing, etc on the site, did not want to chat off site. Maybe you guys will have better luck. I did not like her overall attitude.[/QUOTE]Similar experiences on both of the above. On the first one. A saga of sporadic communication. She's kept it going at times. She's presumably real and new but too flaky to focus on. The second wants 1 k-1. 2 K ppm. Would likely go lower but I wished her well. Didn't want to get banned talking about it.

[QUOTE=SRH59;6341427]Similar experiences on both of the above. On the first one. A saga of sporadic communication. She's kept it going at times. She's presumably real and new but too flaky to focus on. The second wants 1 k-1. 2 K ppm. Would likely go lower but I wished her well. Didn't want to get banned talking about it.[/QUOTE]I met the second one in person a few times about a year ago. She said 1 k ppm was on the low side of what she was being offered. Didn't think she was hot enough for that high of an allowance, especially for Baltimore. More of a GND look but fun personality and low drama.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6280342]Any intel on these?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/32fe6fa9-d340-484f-a4b0-6fb9d592e743[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa95a8d5-5c0f-4b7d-a733-cb7f22da9977[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce409596-ebeb-4618-b862-4277f7cc2d00[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6aed1a80-2252-46a2-b139-6b279a66d4fe[/URL]

Couldn't find anything by searching the thread with their usernames. Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Messaged Coco. She wants 700 ppm.

[QUOTE=HeyDuhman;6341086]I haven't been very active recently but I was pretty active and successful a few yrs ago on SA. Posted here a few success stories in the past.

I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. First thing I have noticed is the quality in DC has gone downhill. Like really dumps. So anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. Not overnight just per meet. Girls that used to be happy for 500-600 are now not budging off the 1 k figure. Even some 6/7's who might have an interesting and well written profile (IE bit brighter than the average bimbo on SA) seem to be asking for 1 k. These average 6/7 girls I would not pay a penny to sleep with since I know I could do better in real life for free.

And this doesn't seem to be a DC area thing either, I travel a lot and when I'm looking for girls in slightly lesser metros (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago) the ask is the same 1 k if they are an 8+. I'd do 1 k for an overnight or longer but 1 k for a couple of hours is a hard pill to swallow because fucking for couple hours I am still not completely satisficed. Need my balls drained one more time before like an early morning BBBJCIM LOL.

Anyway I have had success in the $500 range in towns like Tucson, Oklahoma city, but I usually don't visit often these kind of smaller towns. When I do it seems good value for money but I don't travel for sex I find the sex where I travel for work and its just pointless.

Any thoughts? What towns have you had success in?[/QUOTE]The short answer is: Yes.

Long answer is a bit more complicated. I'll elaborate:

Firstly, I'm assuming you're comparing 1 k now to 500 a few years ago, but your looks haven't changed that much in between. I'm 35, Asian, and fat, and yea 1 k is about the upper end of what I get asked. I also go for 8+ 20-somethings, my SA search range stops at 30 years old. If you're hotter, the price gets cheaper, but I'm sure you know that. Just search TomFordModel's posts, dude regularly gets free pussy from 20-somethings cause he has a 6-pack, even if it's not in the last 12 months.

Now, you're probably thinking about how to overcome the price differential between what the girls want and what you can afford. Not sure about your finances, but there's two methods that I've used which works. The first is just straight up telling them you can only do a certain amount. This works if girls don't have a solid idea of what they want, or don't have too many better options. They just threw out a number from thin air, or some shit that they saw on TikTok. For those girls, a hard rebuttal will work, but have no idea what the market rate for pussy is.

This will not work if the girl is in an industry where she has options, such as nightclub bottle girls, strippers, etc. Those girls get men who offer to fly them out to Miami to hang out on their yacht all the time. They know the value of their pussy, in fact they probably have an inflated value of their pussy, Golden Pussy Syndrome. They will not settle for 500 when they already had Alexander the 50-yo club owner offer to fly them and their friends out on his private jet and hang out in his Miami penthouse for the weekend. The thing I've used on these girls is to ask for more time. They want 1000, but it doesn't mean it has to be 1000 for just dinner and a quick fuck. I ask for lunch, hanging out in the afternoon, dressing up and going to dinner, then getting together again at night. I try to make it sound like a fun date, something the girls will want to do anyway with a regular boyfriend. Yea, going to lunch and dinner also costs more money, so you should budget something like 1,300 total, but it helps girls think that they're not escorts, just getting 1000 to fuck, but rather girlfriends with benefits, 1000 to do fun shit they want to do, do dinner at nice places like Nobu, and also get paid for it.

Disclaimer: If you look back at my post history, you can see me talking about stuff like bottle girl sugar babies months ago, and a rebuttal from, I think FogHorn1, where he talks about fucking bottle girls for 400 because he treats them like humans and not sex toys, and is funny and they enjoy his company. IDK what Foghorn looks like, but that hasn't worked for me. I make girls laugh all the time over our first dinner M&G, but not a single one has ever agreed to 400 PPM that he gets. He's probably way more handsome than I am, so take that into account when you're formulating your approach.

Good luck! If you're looking for the easy way out, I would suggest Vegas. Lots of girls have accepted less than 1 k PPM, but are hot and open to BBFS. It's what I'm mostly doing now.

[QUOTE=HeyDuhman;6341086]...I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. ...anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. [/QUOTE]I travel a decent amount as well and since you've been out of the bowl, times have changed. You'll be hard pressed to find a true 9/10 for less than 800 PPM in any major city. That's not to say it's not possible, it's just very, very rare. I scratch my head often at who's paying this. Obviously there's a group that does, OR these 9/10's are just fine passing on a reasonable offer based on the BS they've heard on reddit or TikTok about "getting that bag".

The prevailing thought is that with the economy not doing so well, and the crypto cash flow drying up, prices will come down. I haven't seen that at all. I'm fine with sitting on the sidelines for a bit; I can go without pussy longer than they can go without money so I'll play the long game.

[QUOTE=FogHorn1;6342017]I travel a decent amount as well and since you've been out of the bowl, times have changed. You'll be hard pressed to find a true 9/10 for less than 800 PPM in any major city. That's not to say it's not possible, it's just very, very rare. I scratch my head often at who's paying this. Obviously there's a group that does, OR these 9/10's are just fine passing on a reasonable offer based on the BS they've heard on reddit or TikTok about "getting that bag".

The prevailing thought is that with the economy not doing so well, and the crypto cash flow drying up, prices will come down. I haven't seen that at all. I'm fine with sitting on the sidelines for a bit; I can go without pussy longer than they can go without money so I'll play the long game.[/QUOTE]Yea I don't know where these girls get their information and ideas about market value on pussy. Just talked to this girl who's a promo model in Vegas that works for conventions and such. She's never had an SA arrangement, apparently just freestyled a dude before, and I'm one of her first SA convos. We finally get to the end of an awkward M&G where she's been hinting at wanting a high priced lifestyle, wouldn't give any numbers specifically, told me she's not a prostitute multiple times, etc. I give her $50 for Uber, and she basically goes "that's it? I thought you said 500 for intimate dates?

I tell her yea, intimate dates meaning sex. She's flabbergasted and thought 500 was just for a dinner, and literally says "Even the cheapest hooker in Las Vegas wouldn't have sex for just 500!

I laugh, and she makes me confirm several times that I've actually fucked girls for 500. I tell her yes, between 500-1000 is a very normal PPM range. She just walks off LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnnyFive85;6340063]Finally convinced this one to meet, I've been trying to convince her on and off for about a year now. Not cheap, but wow does she open up and show a wild side when she finally relented. She's from up here in Loudoun, played soccer at a school in NC before transferring to JMU. Curious if anyone else has bagged as well? DM if you'd prefer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c6066484-2e4f-4e6b-b62c-36f332120329[/URL][/QUOTE]Well done! I've tried and failed for like two years with that one.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6342523]Yea I don't know where these girls get their information and ideas about market value on pussy. Just talked to this girl who's a promo model in Vegas that works for conventions and such. She's never had an SA arrangement, apparently just freestyled a dude before, and I'm one of her first SA convos. We finally get to the end of an awkward M&G where she's been hinting at wanting a high priced lifestyle, wouldn't give any numbers specifically, told me she's not a prostitute multiple times, etc. I give her $50 for Uber, and she basically goes "that's it? I thought you said 500 for intimate dates?

I tell her yea, intimate dates meaning sex. She's flabbergasted and thought 500 was just for a dinner, and literally says "Even the cheapest hooker in Las Vegas wouldn't have sex for just 500!

I laugh, and she makes me confirm several times that I've actually fucked girls for 500. I tell her yes, between 500-1000 is a very normal PPM range. She just walks off LOL.[/QUOTE]I just am not willing to pay that much. My 2 current longterm SBs are in the 250-300 range. Kinda tired of both of then, but value is too good to give up. A third sent me a message on VDay so maybe she will come back. She was the best. 300 and no need for hotel.

I guess lots of guys make $1 mm in DC. Oh well.

Xmiz.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/46bc6e1a-c3ce-4b3e-ba17-fa466717d5f6[/URL]

Anyone ever meet w this one? Ukranian travel blogger that was in the Bethesda area I believe. I met w her after meeting on SDM about a year and a half ago and heard she might be back. If you did and / or have her link or contact info HMU, I'll gladly send info back on others as a thanks.