So easy when you know how! Thanks Jb
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So easy when you know how! Thanks Jb
Well gentlemen I am officially back in the bowl after a lot of hard work and very mixed results on SA. I was struck by the craziest most persistent and destructive bat-shit crazy freak assed *****. She stole my credit card and had my full name and used this to terrorize me and my family and tried to extort money from me. It did not work.
Anyway I seriously considered not returning to this risky endeavor. But my evolutionary imperative pushed me past my fear and I dove in again. This time on SD4M. And I must say I like it better. Sure I get propositioned by dudes from Ghana and Nigeria every day but there are real women out there and some are pretty fun. And my eyes are much wider open than before.
For example on a M&G I position myself in a place where when the POT comes up to the venue I can see her long before she sees me. If anything looks out of the ordinary. I bolt right there. No hello or goodbye. No trying to act like she is just fine weighing 80 lbs more than her photos. I'm gone.
And to my surprise with a lot more hard work and time out of my limited schedule. I have found what I think is a real winner. She is real ATF material 9 head 8 body, and easily a 10 personality. I am lovin it. And the feeling is mutual. She is very attracted to me and never fails to tell me so. She is so much fun to be with. She is talking about getting on birth control so we can fuck bareback. She really wants to spend time with me. Has a real job. Busy social life. Smoking hot 39 yo white MILF. By the way I have several others working. One is a model, and another is just as cute. And a MILF that is into total submission. But I don't have the time or the money for all of this maybe just one backup.
Life is good. Persistence is definetley key in this game.
Be careful out there. Crazy women are the most dangerous element of this game. Screen carefully and trust your instincts if you smell something off.
Revvo
Revvo, your story is a good lesson for all of us who play this game. Yep, a significant number of the girls are wacko.
Thanks for the M&G tip. I never thought of it, for some reason. Probably because I focus on getting them to the FC. It has its drawbacks.
[QUOTE=Zomby;1718881]For me, there's a qualitative difference between spending time with her, exploring, cuddling, drowsing, playing and fucking and buying an hour of stripper / escort time in a hotel room. I've found that I like it ****if I can have the "special" time, I'm definitely going for it.[/QUOTE]Zomby's post is a good description of an issue we all face: the extent to which emotions get involved in our sexual activity.
I only started mongering about 10 years ago, others have much more experience, but I find it's hard to predict quality of sex or emotional commitment based on labels.
Escorts. I've had the usual hard boiled, coked out skanks show up at my door when I've made the calls. Quite a few of them ripped me off one way or the other. And yet. My last infatuation was with a 27 year old Swedish illegal alien in LA, a 9. 5. She had silky skin, cascades of blond hair to her shoulder blades, a body like the young Monroe (see Playboy Magazine Issue No. 1). She had some idea she could escort without penetration. She always cried during the deed but then orgasmed like a nuclear bomb. I fell for her. I promised her 12K for the year if she could keep herself together. She couldn't. There was also a short 23 year old 8/9 brunette in Toronto who had never had an orgasm. I couldn't give her one although I tried hard. (She had some kind of tiny extra tendrils descending from her clitoral hood. Not sure what that means.) I foolishly told her I was single and she proposed marriage. She tracked me down through her agency and called up my wife in a fury. That's the last time I gave an agency my I. D. There was a 22 year old actress / model / dancer in NYC at $2K per hour. College grad. She'd be a trophy wife at any suburban gold club in the USA. Not your typical escorts. Emotions with escorts? You bet.
Strippers. I've known quite a lot of strippers. Most are doing it because they don't want to think of themselves as or be hookers. Many are quite inhibited about actual sex. I've had three relationships. A 23 year old newbie in GA who started stripping to put food on the table for her babies, products of an unwise marriage to the world's dumbest burglar (he videoed himself breaking and entering then lost the video and the police found it). Very pretty blond with a peasant woman's strong, compact frame and an unusually thick clitoral hood. She turned me down a dozen times but one day showed up and fucked my brains out, finishing with the best bbjcim ever. She too wanted marriage. Another was a 19 year old Hungarian dark haired beauty in New Jersey, tall and shapely. I asked her to be my mistress. She evaded for a while then agreed. Wild and crazy in her habits. Drink, drugs, all that stuff, she was a cutter (sliced her upper arms with razor blades). It didn't last. Finally was the best lap dancer ever. Another blond. 30 years old, probably only a 7, but she did magic in the VIP. Weaving, softly touching and insinuating, her pussy always an inch out of reach, she smelled like a million dollars. She gave me an erection hard enough to pound nails just by blowing in my ear. I pursued her. Come to my room. No, she said on three occasions. I stopped going to her club out of frustration. When I finally went back, she led me by the hand to a dark corner, took off my belt, pulled my waistband out and managed to lick the tip of my dick. I said, Elizabeth, are you going to take off your panties for me? She said yes. We met at a hotel a half dozen times that summer. She was engaged to marry a banker. A week before the wedding she called to ask for one last session because it meant so much to her, she said. Probably wanted a little spending money too. Anyway I declined. Was I emotionally involved with these girls? Sure.
Sugarbabies. Lots of different types, hard to make generalizations. A couple of office worker types were excessively detached emotionally which detracted from the sex. One was an alcoholic housewife with GPS who demanded exorbitant amounts in advance (she didn't get them). Of my two ATFs, one (27) was a lovely girl with native american blood who would be a 9 except for too much ink and exaggerated bolt ons. She was great company though. A true courtesan, she was a serial mistress to older men and kept each relationship going as long as she could. She didn't strike me as promiscuous and was unskilled in sex, quite passive, but I liked her a lot. The other had just graduated from college. Blond and slim, a 7 but for her youth which made her an 8, she was obedient in all ways in sex and quite pleasant to hang out with. I asked her why she was wasting her time with me. She said she didn't want to get attached at the moment and besides, a lot of young men she knew were gay. I had a handicapped girl, maybe a 5 but very grateful and passionate. I enjoyed it. Then there was my little truck driver, mid 30's, she worked at her job round the clock. She was a 6. In bed after we both came she held me close and we talked quietly for a while. She had lost her only child in an accident. She said she just needed to be with a man. I felt privileged.
I think emotions are to sex like flowers to spring. They pop up in all kinds of unexpected places.
[QUOTE=Revvo;1719998]She is talking about getting on birth control so we can fuck bareback. She really wants to spend time with me.[/QUOTE]Be very careful about that, especially if SHE is the one who first brought it up. It's possible she's planning to get you on the hook for 18 years of support. Think about the problems that would cause. If you proceed along this path, then pick up some Plan B at the pharmacy and insist she take it in front of you after you do the deed.
I agree it's risky. Looking back it is amazing how many of my escorts, strippers and sbs were actively looking for a ring, or at least a support check, even from someone much older like me. I forgot there was 4th stripper. Mexican-American, oversize natural tatas, small hard ass, very narrow waist. 30 years old, an 8. She took me home with her a few times and we met in hotels. She didn't allow penetration."Not with a condom," she said. Naked, she would extend her legs and spread them wide apart in a shallow V and let me play with her as much as I liked. Then she jerked me off on her breasts. But no penetration with condom allowed. I assumed perhaps she was allergic to latex. I thought she might just be indecisive and need leadership. With my dick poised a quarter inch outside her open vagina I asked,"Does no mean no?" She said it did and I backed off."Guys always think I'm going to get worked up and let them come inside me, but I don't. Not with a condom." A year later I saw her again and she was all happy and frisky. She'd had a baby with a customer she met at her club.
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1720441]Be very careful about that, especially if SHE is the one who first brought it up. It's possible she's planning to get you on the hook for 18 years of support. Think about the problems that would cause. If you proceed along this path, then pick up some Plan B at the pharmacy and insist she take it in front of you after you do the deed.[/QUOTE]A vasectomy is cheaper than most monthly allowances and financially is probably the best investment anyone planning on going BB could ever make. Of course, some can't do that (would probably raise the wife's suspicions, no?) but those who can, probably should.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1720525]I agree it's risky. Looking back it is amazing how many of my escorts, strippers and sbs were actively looking for a ring, or at least a support check, even from someone much older like me. I forgot there was 4th stripper. Mexican-American, oversize natural tatas, small hard ass, very narrow waist. 30 years old, an 8. She took me home with her a few times and we met in hotels. She didn't allow penetration."Not with a condom," she said. Naked, she would extend her legs and spread them wide apart in a shallow V and let me play with her as much as I liked. Then she jerked me off on her breasts. But no penetration with condom allowed. I assumed perhaps she was allergic to latex.[/QUOTE]
Ah, the old latex allergy. It's amazing how many strippers, babies, and just loose women in general are allergic to latex. I actually am allergic to latex, but I'll take an itchy rash that lasts a few hours over a lifetime of grief.
I got the vasectomy after a close call. I love kids and would feel obligated. But certainly would want it planned and not by accident. So many girls want that monthly check and they don't give a shit who the dad is. And having it does lead to a lot more BB sex.
All of my SB's (12) have been ok with BB once I told them I was on birth control. Vasectomy. The one I worried about had an IUD so she was doing all others BB as well. Others were going condom route till I told them. A risk....sure. But to me so much more satisfying. On month 3 of new ATF, a 19 YO with a long hours job who needs a little help. So I provide it.
Let me just say she was talking about BB and birth control. But when we were in the FC she was the one asking for the cover. Of all the women I have fucked only two have asked for the cover my ATF and one other. So I consider her pretty careful about getting pregnant.
She has three kids and is 39 and been divorced before. She is not looking for another relationship just NSA which makes her ideal for me. She even did not want her youngest it was an accident.
But I agree need to be careful. And on the vasectomy thing. I would love to do that but you are right it may arrouse suspicion with the wife. Especially after the last stalker crazy be* incident. Wife is telling be she need her BC to regulate her period. Still a little doubt there. Have to be really careful.
Thanks for the advice guys. It is invaluable. Even thought about getting vascetomy under the radar.
Anyway new ATF is loving the fucking and so am I.
Be careful out there gents,
Revvo
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1720604]I got the vasectomy after a close call. I love kids and would feel obligated. But certainly would want it planned and not by accident. So many girls want that monthly check and they don't give a shit who the dad is. And having it does lead to a lot more BB sex.[/QUOTE]I got mine after my wife had our third child. Amazing how much more relaxed things are.
What started my SB and I on the bareback train was the rubber breaking one time, and her almost panicking because she wasn't on the pill. I told her not to worry, that I'd been shooting blanks since before she was in middle school, she basically said "why the fuck didn't you tell me that sooner? I *hate* these damn things." And the rest is history.
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[QUOTE=Literal2;1720362]Zomby's post is a good description of an issue we all face: the extent to which emotions get involved in our sexual activity.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, I think for most normal guys, as in non-sociopaths, it's a matter of [I]when, [/I]and not [I]if, [/I]emotion becomes a factor. As I said, I have to at least [I]like [/I]a girl if I'm going to consider having sex with her more than a few times.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1720362]I think emotions are to sex like flowers to spring. They pop up in all kinds of unexpected places.[/QUOTE]And like flowers in spring, in my never any where near even the neighborhood of a humble opinion, make it even more enjoyable, even if I don't consider emotion to be a necessity.
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[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1721252]Is every mother fucker on this board polyamourous? You are in it for the pussy AND you love the ho's?
I could understand that attitude if you were not paying your garden tools to fuck! For me the money (no matter what the condition) takes the emotional factor right out of it. Call it my own personal rationalization. It's just fucked up that now I am going to have to spend money on therapy in addition to the garden tools. Thank you Dr. Zomby!
Attention! Cmdr on deck![/QUOTE]As a general rule, for at least the last 2, 000 years, men have recognized that a principle of cordial relations among them is not to use pejorative words about another man's women. It's a matter of mutual respect. There's no issue with what a man calls his own women under most circumstances.
Well I have my 2nd meeting with SB. Different from one last wk. I did pick up a few tips from some of you guys. 1 of which was stay clear of high maintence girls, stick with ones who have a job, and stay in the 6-8 range, those 9-10s want a arm and a leg, which I'm not going to give them, plus I been around the game for many yrs. What I really like is they hang around for hrs. One this wk end. Hung out for almost 3 hrs. Dinner. Fun. More fun, then watch tv, for about same I pay for 30 maybe 60 min, for escort
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1721252]Is every mother fucker on this board polyamourous? You are in it for the pussy AND you love the ho's?[/QUOTE]There are plenty of degrees of affection that don't cross that boundary. That's not to say that some here, and I don't necessarily exempt myself from that number, haven't, or won't, fall in love, but that's not the totality of what at least [I]I [/I]was talking about.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1721252]I could understand that attitude if you were not paying your garden tools to fuck! For me the money (no matter what the condition) takes the emotional factor right out of it.[/QUOTE]I spent 30 years chasing strippers with almost the exact attitude you describe here. Maybe not quite as casual, since, as I've said, I have to at least [I]like [/I]a girl before I can fuck her more than a couple of times, but still avoiding entanglements by using money.
But since falling into it with this girl, I've found that I like this kind of thing better than just fucking and leaving. Prior to this, a new "regular" girl every month or so was the norm. I think the longest "relationship" I'd had before this was four months, and that was because she was a fucking nympho who was just a complete turn-on. With all of them I was still being fucked and sucked by other girls at the same time; there was absolutely no question of exclusivity. It's been almost four years with this girl now, and it's been all [I]but [/I]exclusive. There have been three other girls who've blown me, and [I]no [/I]others with whom I've had vaginal intercourse. I don't feel the lack at all.
The emotion, even if it's not love, [I]enhances [/I]the experience, and as far as I can tell, doesn't [I]detract [/I]at all. Your mileage may, and obviously does, vary. Fortunately, there's room in this hobby for both of approaches, since it doesn't seem likely that we'd be fishing in the same pond, so to speak.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1721252]It's just fucked up that now I am going to have to spend money on therapy in addition to the garden tools.[/QUOTE]Well obviously, you don't [I]have [/I]to. You could keep right on being who you are. Of course, some therapy [I]might [/I]help with that need to denigrate those who don't share your attitude in order to make yourself feel better that you so often display.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1721252]Thank you Dr. Zomby![/QUOTE]No problem. Glad to be of help.
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[QUOTE=Zomby; 1721368]Well obviously, you don't [I]have [/I]to. You could keep right on being who you are. Of course, some therapy [I]might [/I]help with that need to denigrate those who don't share your attitude in order to make yourself feel better that you so often display.
No problem. Glad to be of help.
[noparse]/[/noparse]z[/QUOTE]Ah Mr. Zomby & Mr. Lit,
This is called beef. The war of words. No harm in it. And a lot safer than popping caps. U both very funny mother fuckers! Lmao.
I simply asked the question. If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you, if you involve emotion along with the paycheck? I have not heard anyone claim these P4P women (note the new polite language) as a wife or girl friend. So, I am lead to believe there is some qualitative difference in how we view them and treat them. No matter what you prefer to call them. If I am missing something here help me out.
Keep it coming gentleman. I can stand and take my grade!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1721395]Ah Mr. Zomby & Mr. Lit,
This is called beef. The war of words. No harm in it. And a lot safer than popping caps. U both very funny mother fuckers! Lmao.
I simply asked the question. If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you, if you involve emotion along with the paycheck? I have not heard anyone claim these P4P women (note the new polite language) as a wife or girl friend. So, I am lead to believe there is some qualitative difference in how we view them and treat them. No matter what you prefer to call them. If I am missing something here help me out.
Keep it coming gentleman. I can stand and take my grade!
Attention! SubCmdr on deck![/QUOTE]ATTENTION SubCmdr SIR!
Subaltern Literal2 requests permission to speak, SIR!
Over.
Lit2
Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.
My argument against it goes as follows:
Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.
Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.
Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.
So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.
I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.
P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!
Birthcontrol
It surprises me how many of these young Babies do not use BC. Many do not want hormones like The "Pill" because of side effects. I strongly maneuver them towards these methods. One of the most fun is the ring (Nuvaring ). It is in the Vajayjay and you can tell its there, therefore "working", and sometimes you can feel it but it is not unpleasant. I would get a Vasectomy in a second if my SO didn't know it but no way I could sneak it by her.
Commander.
" If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you"
Presumably the payee is there primarily for the paycheck and may or may not Want to be there for your personality or sexual prowess. Our egos lead us to believe that in spite of our allowance given the Baby is overwhelmed by all things masculine that we have to offer. If the SB acts like she likes me then I am good with that. And I love "falling in love " if the SB is deemed a keeper.
Pot #?
That I had a M&G with last week was a Nando 1 and a little GPS for what she was offering, so I will pass on her.
Pot AA
HYCB came back but we both have scheduling conflicts, so she still seems interested in trying me out. She doesn't want sex on the first date, so we will M&G with no sex and no allowance and see how soon she would like to have a payday. I bet it will happen that night. Like everyone says, once they enter the FC then odds are she won't be able to resist.
Current ATF.
Is coming up on the 4th week and is acting increasingly loving. She is going to the OBGYN for birth control counseling so I am very jazzed about that. She is a clear cut 10 across the board and has the tightest and wettest little pussy ever. I can't wait to cum inside. She is very quick to orgasm and I have to ramp up my ejaculation speed to keep up. She gets very sensitive after cumming so it is less enjoyable for her when I last so long. RE: condoms, in my old age I have a hard time cumming with a sleeve on, so it definitely takes some of the fun out of it for me.
Good discussion about vasectomies Sub.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1721476]My argument against it goes as follows:
P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO![/QUOTE]Commander, don't add me to your CHR list Your interesting and colorful wisdom is part of what makes this group entertaining. I yam what I yam and you is who you is. (or something like that)
One man's garden tool is another's true love
And one man's adorable wife is another's ***** EX wife.
Just sayin' Freddy.
My apologies to the group.
Mea culpa.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1721413]Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.[/QUOTE]Prostate surgery is a completely different animal. The vas are just a conduit, whereas the prostate gland can make or break the whole process.
You're wise to avoid prostate surgery, absent malignancy of course, but in this day and age vasectomies carry no more risk than a tooth extraction, despite "delicacy" of the location. (:
Folks,
My perspective is similar to Cmdr especially on BBFS (w. Are. T STD). There was a bro earlier in this forum, JoesParty, who posted his experience. Good story to check out.
Be safe out there, folks.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1721476]My argument against it goes as follows:
Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.
Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.
Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.
So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.
I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.
Attention! SubCmdr on deck!
P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO![/QUOTE]
And there again some on this bird, who think their way is the only way, and that they are holier than thou. Really. Thats why its called a opinion, and I refuse to listen to any thing they say, even if they do come up with their own special little names for the events. Girls, and more times than not I'm sure you guys can figure out who the GODS of the sugar world are. Or think they are.
I'm out
[QUOTE=Zomby; 1721543]My apologies to the group.
Mea culpa.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about it. We all get worked up sometimes. The posts are good, lets roll on.
[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1721494]One man's garden tool is another's true love
And one man's adorable wife is another's * EX wife.[/QUOTE]So true, so true.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;1721485]She is a clear cut 10 across the board and has the tightest and wettest little pussy ever. I can't wait to cum inside. She is very quick to orgasm and I have to ramp up my ejaculation speed to keep up. She gets very sensitive after cumming so it is less enjoyable for her when I last so long. RE: condoms, in my old age I have a hard time cumming with a sleeve on, so it definitely takes some of the fun out of it for me.[/QUOTE]She sounds like a wet dream. Think of the fun you'll have trying to ejaculate.
Since the days men were crawling out of caves, we've been the providers. And throughout the ages typically the quality of our mate has been a measure of our means to provide. We've been paying for it one way or another since the dawn of time, and the girl we get is often the direct result of how much we can pay, club, or hunt.
If I think back to all my "normal" relationships I had before I was married, I was still paying for dates, gifts, and etc. Some of the normal relationships I had emotional attachments, others I didn't really. It was often dependent on how I clicked with the girl, not whether I was outlaying a lot (or very little) cash on dates and etc.
My sugar relationships are similar. The fact that I'm giving a SB money makes little difference for me regarding emotional involvement or not. It's just a matter of whether we really click or not. The major difference for me is I don't enter a sugar relationship looking for emotional involvement. But the simple act of me giving someone money doesn't kill the possibility for me because I've been paying for it one or another in every relationship I've been in. It's nothing new.
I think the real problem isn't that it's strange to have feelings for a SB, Stripper, Escort or whatever. The problem is that it's usually dangerous in this hobby / lifestyle to development emotional attachments because it can lead to your undoing. Having emotional attachments can lead to "fatal attraction" stalkers, blackmailers, and etc that can wreck your home life and / or career. That's why emotional attachments are discouraged on these forums. Not because it's a sign of manly weakness but because it's usually a quick way to end your sugar bowl career prematurely if you're not careful.
And the reason this has been a frequent issue in this particular forum is because SB relationships (in particular the long-term ones) are designed to have some kind of personal connection. It's just a much bigger issue compared to seeing escorts. Escorts are straight to business and want to have zero interaction with you outside the allotted timed. They want to know just enough about you to make sure you're not LE, then they want to know nothing more about you. By default you're treated like a "john" or "trick" in an assembly line of other donations with dicks whom come through their hotel room. And they're always on the hustle. These are indeed "garden tools" and why it's rare to have any emotional or even personal connection with these girls. One of the first things they teach in Garden Tool 101 is not to have any personal connections with "clients".
But "real" SBs (meaning not semi-pros or UTRs masking as SBs) are not wired the same as escorts. Even though you're giving them money essentially for sex, many of them still want to have a quasi-normal human relationship with you. Many of them will be far more appreciative to you for financial assistance compared an escort and maybe even your wife, LOL. That's why in a successful SB / SD relationship the risk of emotional involvement is always there. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just avoid it, haha.
As for the test of,"Would the SB still sleep with me if I didn't give her money?" I'm pretty sure my wife would divorce me if I stopped paying the mortgage and the bills. Likewise, past girlfriends would have left me almost immediately if I didn't treat or support them financially in some way. I'm a decent looking guy, but I'm still not good enough looking to have girls just throw sex at me on an on-going basis just by the sight of me, LOL
I finally made it to the FC with a new SB! The first time in 2013. I did have a few car romps with my ex-Backseat SB but that ended about a month ago. I've pretty much had a dry spell with SBs since things ended with my ex-ATF around the new year. I've had a quite a few pots, but no new SBs. I spent over a month on the Collegiate SB that eventually went no-where. It's why I started seeing escorts again for a bit to help overcome the SB downtime.
[b]Innocence SB[/b]
So after the fallout from the Collegiate SB about a week or so ago, I re-wrote my SD profile. It was pretty light to begin with so I decided to put a little more meat into to hopefully filter out the "arm-candy" girls. Right after I made the update, I got contacted by a thin 18-year AA girl. I'd say a 7/8 and she gets an extra point for just being so young and fresh. She's had a relationship with an older guy before but she was fairly new to the sugar daddy sites and such. She was eager to chat frequently, and quickly moved from site PMs, to email, and then txt. I couldn't keep with her at first. Partly because her profile pictures weren't the greatest, so I was still taking things pretty casual and taking my time responding. But when she emailed me, I was able to look up her FB info and the pictures there were much better. Also it allowed me to verify her age (by looking through her mom's FB) because she did look young and innocent.
So things started to pick up, and we had been texting throughout the day for about a good week. I had some scheduling conflicts with the other pots I was working on, so we talked about getting together. And she never brought up a dollar amount. She just she had a school expense but it was up to me if I wanted help with it. So we were set to meet this last Saturday. We planned to get a quick bite and then head directly to the FC. She still lives at home so I had to get her home before dark, LOL.
After the recent flakes and disappointments, it was great to finally have a date go to plan and even exceed expectations. This girl is young and looks innocent, but when we got to the FC that innocent facade quickly disappeared, LOL We just started off with some light cuddling and she was ready to go. She was quickly aroused and just opened her legs and started gyrating her hips against my magic stick. Before I knew it, she had me enter her BB. Very risky I know, but it happened so fast and I got caught up in it, literally. We went through a series of positions and when I told her I was about to cum, she told me to pull out, which I did all over her chest. Then about 45 minutes later when we were lying down watching TV, she told me she wanted to go again! And we went at it again for probably about a hour or so with both she and I loving every second of it.
Pretty soon afterward I drove her home and gave her some money for the school expenses, which wasn't that much and she was very appreciative. Right after I dropped her off, she sent me a txt thanking me for the dinner and the money as well as saying she had a great time. This is the way it should be. Win-win for all.
[b]BB Weakness[/b]
I did engage in pretty risky behavior. I have noticed that 18-19 year-olds often default to BB sex. In the past year, I've had raw sex with 4 SBs. With all 4, they were between 18-19. Now with this girl Innocence SB, she wasn't trying to get a long-term support check out of me because she told me to pull out. The big thing was that I was putting myself at risk of STDs. But I'm one of those guys who just perform poorly with condoms. Not sure if it's an allergy or just reduced sensation, but my sex romp with Innocence wouldn't have gone nearly half as well if I had to wear a rubber.
I do agree it's the biggest weakpoint in my deep cover. It's very difficult to explain a STD if you pass it on to your SO. But I'm going to keep playing with the BB fire for now because it's something I enjoy too much and one of the reasons I go through the trouble of seeing SBs.
So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
Revvo
I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1722600]So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
Revvo[/QUOTE]Re the I. D, just say no. Explain yours must be a clandestine relationship. If she doesn't agree, forget her and walk away.
Don't get involved with fake I. D. It's illegal.
Absolute deal breaker inmo.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1722668]Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.[/QUOTE]Dude. That is freakin hilarious. You should write a book.
I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.
My AA princess flaked out again. We got to the actual pickup point at a local college campus and she called and said she couldn't do it. She's scared to make the move even though she likes the idea of scoring a SD. I was nice and understanding so maybe she will come back. I told her to have a couple of shots before I come and she will be fine. She texted back asking again how much I would give her. I low balled her since I am oversubscribed anyway at this point. I am taking a page out of Hollywood's and Tigg's playbook. I have relegated her to a 30% chance of working out, and that's being optimistic.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1722668]I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.[/QUOTE]I absolutely love pumping semen into my girl's vagina. Not only does it feel divine girls get that injection of prostaglandins and oxytocin that cause all kinds of biologic reactions in enhancing their orgasmic experience. And that wet spot I am pretty proud of. I am envious of young guys who have healthy enough prostates to pump out a cupful and shoot 5 feet. Alas, old age sucks!
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1722600]So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
Revvo[/QUOTE]I'm with Lit on this one. Just say no. Demanding girls are not worth the risk of exposure and should be on a normal dating site. 3 dates are one thing and probably will end up being less if things go well. Be sure not to reward her asexual behavior by giving her sugar. You should save that treat as an incentive to enter the FC
My current ATF HCB I am seeing week # 4 this week and she crumbled the 1st M&G after a nice date. She is an all nighter and is a clear 10/10/10 I might explore the back door this trip.
Tomorrow night I am revisiting my EX. She seems to have a renewed interest in my Sugar charm. She is not loving but is a willing lay. I need to make her more expressive. Maybe we need to try a back door trip on this one too. Wish me luck!
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1722600]So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
Revvo[/QUOTE]My idea is to move on, I wouldn't give up the whole I'd, she's not giving anything up. 3 dates sounds like the rules girls use to use before they'd fuck a guy, never before the 3rd date.
There was some post some pages back where any I'd and identifying info was hidden in the trunk, you do not want to give it up.
Could be a scam of some kind, why take the chance.
She may not even be the one in the picture for all you know.
Move on.