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[QUOTE=Diver6390;4893167]If I recall, Greek was on the menu, and bare -- at least at a time when BBFS was also available. And given her sub nature, I would think face fucking would be a slam dunk. That being said, if BBFS is off the table now, I don't know what she'd say about bare anal.[/QUOTE]Bare anal seems more common than BBFS, now that AIDS has receded. I don't do either, but I've been offered both. A well-known MILF in Renton prefers bare anal over even covered FS.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4897732]The sugar baby game is so different from the escort game. Many on this site try to treat them like cheaper escorts but that really only works with extreme newbies or escorts pretending to be sugar babies. In general, sugar babies are like discreet, NSA girlfriends that you would never get in real life that you see occasionally and give them money or buy them shit. In exchange, you generally get someone that may be seeing you (and her regular boyfriend) exclusively or maybe a couple of other daddies. She's not bare backing any stray dog that sees her ad and you don't have to working about tasting the guy that just left when you meet or have to leave because she has someone lined up behind you. <snip...>
So, to answer your question, if you really want the full SD experience, you have to put in more time and effort to find the right person. What's really weird about it is that if you find a good baby, the amount of money you spend becomes irrelevant (okay, up to a point) as she is worth every penny. The interesting thing that I've learned about "real" babies is that they want you to spend money on them, but not enough that it is a strain on your wallet, because if they cost too much, then eventually you'll have to dump them.[/QUOTE]The SB game is indeed different, but dude, you're confusing it with something that matters. You still aren't an actual person to her, and she shouldn't be to you. It's a deeper, longer-term transaction, with attendant benefits, but you should step out of your frilly panties.
I prefer SBs over escorts. The second, third, . Time are better than the first. The intimacy, the comfort, fewer barriers. But you are deluding yourself. She [I]is[/I] barebacking randoms. She'll tell you you're special, but it's not true. And they all got it on the first, and only, date. Sarcastic is famous for that. You're her one-and-only, except for the others you read about just this week.
I like repeats because the vibe is chill. We look forward to it. No nervousness on either side. But an SB is still an escort. All we're doing is helping them lie to themselves.
[QUOTE=Rousse;4897993]The SB game is indeed different, but dude, you're confusing it with something that matters. You still aren't an actual person to her, and she shouldn't be to you. It's a deeper, longer-term transaction, with attendant benefits, but you should step out of your frilly panties.
I prefer SBs over escorts. The second, third, . Time are better than the first. The intimacy, the comfort, fewer barriers. But you are deluding yourself. She [I]is[/I] barebacking randoms. She'll tell you you're special, but it's not true. And they all got it on the first, and only, date. Sarcastic is famous for that. You're her one-and-only, except for the others you read about just this week.
I like repeats because the vibe is chill. We look forward to it. No nervousness on either side. But an SB is still an escort. All we're doing is helping them lie to themselves.[/QUOTE]I whole-heartedly agree with you on some points. In general, an SB is essentially an escort, but essentially so is a wife or girlfriend (unless she's supporting you). I don't believe that all SBs are fucking every bare dick they encounter, I am friends with too many of them that I don't fuck and if this were the case, I'd know about it. I'm assuming one of my clients that I help with investments that is a SB for a doctor and is getting about $100 K a year (which I have documented proof) isn't running around BBing some broke ass guy for $200. I'm sure that SBs that are receiving several thousand per month probably aren't either. It simply doesn't make sense for them to do it.
All that being said, I think whether you believe that or not depends on you perspective towards women, escorts and other sex workers. I believe a large amount of women, escorts and sex workers are simply good people. I don't believe that an escort / SB / sex worker runs around trying to fuck anything that moves for a few bucks. I'm too positive of a person to think that way. If you're a true pessimist, you're going to believe the opposite and nothing will change your mind, so I'm not going to try.
[QUOTE=Jonderin;4897628]That's an interesting read. It sounds like more work is involved than usual. It's probably not right for me, I don't want to actually talk to any of them. What's the payoff, are the prices a lot lower or something?[/QUOTE]In my experience better sex. It takes sometime, usually not in the first meet, and after making sure you would match but I had had mind blowing sex with a few SBs.
It might be cheaper than TNA if you favor long meets, if you were doing 90 mins and longer on TNA you might end up paying less here. If you are doing half an hours stay on TNA, it's a better fit.
[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;4887191]That is sad to hear, I have not seen her for the last 1. 5+ years so cannot attest to her current prefrence, but I do agree with you, I would not pay for a CFS visit with her. Having said that. She is (or used to be) the quintessential sub. So who knows how she would behave in person. Maybe my opinion on this is jaded by the experience I had with her 4-5 times I saw her. I basically did not hear the word no from here in the time I spent. It really sucks that she has changed her way, but I have not seen for a long time for a reason. I'm done driving long distances and waiting for an additional 1. 5 hrs for the appointment to start. I do not pay people to behave that way.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, she quoted me 500 for all night on SA and was worth every penny, but yeah her time management does really suck.
Sugar baby: Casual girlfriend that normally would be out of your league but, because you have funny money, is suddenly within your grasp.
Escort: Expensive hooker, likes to play make believe with men who have funny money but zero game.
Hooker: everybody gets a turn for the rate.
[QUOTE=Rousse;4897959]A well-known MILF in Renton prefers bare anal over even covered FS.[/QUOTE]Do tell! I must be living under a rock, I would love to know who this well-known MILF is. PM me if you prefer. Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Flyer99;4899021]Sugar baby: Casual girlfriend that normally would be out of your league but, because you have funny money, is suddenly within your grasp.
...[/QUOTE]My money is not funny.
So I went ahead and saw Rose. 500 for an overnight. Hours of seriously depraved PSE with a super hot girl. Pretty much nothing was off limits and she is a very aggressive and enthusiastic cocksucker.
But holy shit, she is needy. It's almost not worth it. Once you've seen her she will be constantly blowing up your phone and pressuring you to buy her hair extensions and commit to paying for her titties and complain about being depressed. Anyways, because I wouldn't give in to her neediness she got mad and she doesn't want to see me again.
While all this is going on, I had about 7-8 people texting me daily with bullshit about needing money for rent etc. They had never met or tried to have any sort of conversation with me about anything. So, I ignored them. On Wednesday, someone that had texted me once sent me a text saying "let's meet today". I figured it was just a scammer so I agreed to meet. She lived in Everett and I lived in Seattle, we agreed to meet in Bellevue. I figured she wouldn't show up. I arrived at our location and encountered probably one of the hottest women that I've ever met in my life. I believe she was a professional sugar baby as she had all of the traits a man would want in a baby. Great conversations, sexy as fuck, talked dirty but was never crude, she knew her role and didn't step out of it for a second. We talked and immediately hit it off and were making out about 20 minutes later. We set up an arrangement and agreed to meet next week.
Is she a short hair skinny blonde around 19 to 20 years?
[QUOTE=Flyer99;4899021]Sugar baby: Casual girlfriend that normally would be out of your league but, because you have funny money, is suddenly within your grasp.
Escort: Expensive hooker, likes to play make believe with men who have funny money but zero game.
Hooker: everybody gets a turn for the rate.[/QUOTE]Good one Flyer, let me take a stab at the above, based on my own experience. For all categories above. It is about game and money. But then again it is also not. I mean everyone who hobbies needs game, otherwise they are chumps and will be treated as such. I see all of the above and use some amount of game and money for each. I do not go to a bar and pick up a complete civilian. Not because I cannot, but because I know the drama that comes with that for a married man. As a wise man said. I do not pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.
[QUOTE=ProfessorXC;4899794]While all this is going on, I had about 7-8 people texting me daily with bullshit about needing money for rent etc. They had never met or tried to have any sort of conversation with me about anything. So, I ignored them. On Wednesday, someone that had texted me once sent me a text saying "let's meet today". I figured it was just a scammer so I agreed to meet. She lived in Everett and I lived in Seattle, we agreed to meet in Bellevue. I figured she wouldn't show up. I arrived at our location and encountered probably one of the hottest women that I've ever met in my life. I believe she was a professional sugar baby as she had all of the traits a man would want in a baby. Great conversations, sexy as fuck, talked dirty but was never crude, she knew her role and didn't step out of it for a second. We talked and immediately hit it off and were making out about 20 minutes later. We set up an arrangement and agreed to meet next week.
Is she a short hair skinny blonde around 19 to 20 years?[/QUOTE]Skinny, dark hair, 27, oversized tits for someone so skinny but they were real.
[QUOTE=Rousse;4897993]The SB game is indeed different, but dude, you're confusing it with something that matters. You still aren't an actual person to her, and she shouldn't be to you. It's a deeper, longer-term transaction, with attendant benefits, but you should step out of your frilly panties.
I prefer SBs over escorts. The second, third, . Time are better than the first. The intimacy, the comfort, fewer barriers. But you are deluding yourself. She [I]is[/I] barebacking randoms. She'll tell you you're special, but it's not true. And they all got it on the first, and only, date. Sarcastic is famous for that. You're her one-and-only, except for the others you read about just this week.
I like repeats because the vibe is chill. We look forward to it. No nervousness on either side. But an SB is still an escort. All we're doing is helping them lie to themselves.[/QUOTE]Sarcasticfungirl will take it raw in the ass. She just loves being a cumdump.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4900287]Skinny, dark hair, 27, oversized tits for someone so skinny but they were real.[/QUOTE]Can you share a link, perchance? Also, what was the arrangement?
[QUOTE=Diver6390;4901028]Can you share a link, perchance? Also, what was the arrangement?[/QUOTE]As I mentioned before, we have assholes here that contact people on SA and tell them what was said here. So, I know longer give information on anyone unless I never plan to see them again.
Our agreement was to have regular dates 3 times per month. Not going to hotel dates; like a real date. I can choose what we do. There is no time limit on the date. If we don't have sex, I give whatever I feel is reasonable for her time. If we have sex, then she wants whatever I feel is reasonable, but expects it to be in around $300 range. If she's spending the night, she will expect more because she has to pay a baby sitter. In the end, she wants me to spend what I'm comfortable spending and as long as I stay within that $300-350 range she's fine with it.
For her looks and her attitude, definitely worth it.
[QUOTE=Facials;4900551]Sarcasticfungirl will take it raw in the ass. She just loves being a cumdump.[/QUOTE]I contacted her out of curiosity. Within three sentences, she said something overtly political and something slightly moronic. I generally don't discuss politics with people (especially on the opening message) and the other thing she said made me realize she wasn't very smart. I could tell immediately that if I had to actually have a real conversation with her, she would just irritate me. So, I didn't even bother responding.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4901440]As I mentioned before, we have assholes here that contact people on SA and tell them what was said here. So, I know longer give information on anyone unless I never plan to see them again.
Our agreement was to have regular dates 3 times per month. Not going to hotel dates; like a real date. I can choose what we do. There is no time limit on the date. If we don't have sex, I give whatever I feel is reasonable for her time. If we have sex, then she wants whatever I feel is reasonable, but expects it to be in around $300 range. If she's spending the night, she will expect more because she has to pay a baby sitter. In the end, she wants me to spend what I'm comfortable spending and as long as I stay within that $300-350 range she's fine with it.
For her looks and her attitude, definitely worth it.[/QUOTE]I appreciate what you are saying about recycling the information here back to the lady in question.
That being said, your arrangement sound perfect. Congrats.
[QUOTE=Diver6390;4901499]I appreciate what you are saying about recycling the information here back to the lady in question.
That being said, your arrangement sound perfect. Congrats.[/QUOTE]So yes I'm sure there are some here that think they winning favors by say I saw on blah blah blah whatever. However you'd be wrong to think these women don't all ready know about this site and others.
Just wondering if anyone has seen Carmen.
Trying to see if her pics are accurate.
[URL]https://seattle.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/sexy-outgoing-brunette-availab/482597492876[/URL]
My first post!
[QUOTE=GiantChild;4901548]So yes I'm sure there are some here that think they winning favors by say I saw on blah blah blah whatever. However you'd be wrong to think these women don't all ready know about this site and others.[/QUOTE]When I buy a car or some other item, I do my research on the car's price, reliability, etc. I usually then research which dealer has the best price. Nobody shows up at a Toyota dealer expecting Rolls Royce prices for a beat up 30-year old car. I see the information on this board and others much the same way. I want to know if the service is worthwhile, and I want to know if the service is priced at a point that I feel reasonable and within my budget.
Just as I would never do the car salesman the "favor" of letting him know I did my research, why would I tell a service provider that I did research on her? I just don't understand that mentality.
[QUOTE=Diver6390;4902758]Just as I would never do the car salesman the "favor" of letting him know I did my research, why would I tell a service provider that I did research on her? I just don't understand that mentality[/QUOTE]Amen. The first rule of USASG is- you don't walk about USASG.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4901440]As I mentioned before, we have assholes here that contact people on SA and tell them what was said here. So, I know longer give information on anyone unless I never plan to see them again.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. For me it's best that I only post about SBs that are already known as escorts, or SBs that others should be warned about. While the "Dear Penthouse, you won't believe what happned" posts are fun to read, what goes on between me and my SB is no one elses business. I'm old fashioned I guess.
Also, post like "I BB'd this SB guys, go fill her up" seem to wind up getting back to the SB more often than not, and real SBs are NOT escorts.
[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4903233]Agreed. For me it's best that I only post about SBs that are already known as escorts, or SBs that others should be warned about. While the "Dear Penthouse, you won't believe what happned" posts are fun to read, what goes on between me and my SB is no one elses business. I'm old fashioned I guess.
Also, post like "I BB'd this SB guys, go fill her up" seem to wind up getting back to the SB more often than not, and real SBs are NOT escorts.[/QUOTE]Three of the best sugar babies I had I never once mentioned on here. They got off the site and only saw me. It was awesome. Use took cook for me do overnights and had super good sex. Good times. I do share the ones that just didn't do it for me, plus the ones I shared have been on there for a while and I bet saw multiple dudes LOL.
Don't get me wrong, I would prefer frank and open exchange of information with nothing off limits. Sadly there are way too many white knight cucks around, eager to be someone's pet.
[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4910109]Don't get me wrong, I would prefer frank and open exchange of information with nothing off limits. Sadly there are way too many white knight cucks around, eager to be someone's pet.[/QUOTE]I suspect the majority of instances where someone is reaching out to anyone being talked about are either fellow sex workers, or in the case of non-pros, someone who was previously talked about here, and felt insulted about being discussed behind their back, so they are trying to make others aware.
I don't however discount the crassness and stupidity of hobbyists who just treat sex workers strictly like objects and make no effort to treat them as humans providing a service.
For me, I try to share my info in a way that avoids being crass or demeaning towards anyone.
[QUOTE=MassageMeow;4910343]I suspect the majority of instances where someone is reaching out to anyone being talked about are either fellow sex workers, or in the case of non-pros, someone who was previously talked about here, and felt insulted about being discussed behind their back, so they are trying to make others aware.
I don't however discount the crassness and stupidity of hobbyists who just treat sex workers strictly like objects and make no effort to treat them as humans providing a service.
For me, I try to share my info in a way that avoids being crass or demeaning towards anyone.[/QUOTE]Na, it's definitely white knights. For example, have you seen what they pay for in the TNA board and what they share in the bareback section? Some of those girls are gross and just straight nasty looking and they're paying up to 400/ hr sometimes. Also, what some girls share with me LOL just like when trying to date someone, always someone who wanted the same piece of meat and they get jealous and so they start either spreading rumors or talking shit. I bet that's exactly what happens here. Someone shared a girl and said person said, "you can get so and so from her for x amount", hobbyist tries but his approach and game sucks and so he gets mad and thinks that maybe if he tells her where he saw it maybe she'll change her mind now because he was such a nice guy about it. So, yes I know it's the white knights.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4901447]I contacted her out of curiosity. Within three sentences, she said something overtly political and something slightly moronic. I generally don't discuss politics with people (especially on the opening message) and the other thing she said made me realize she wasn't very smart. I could tell immediately that if I had to actually have a real conversation with her, she would just irritate me. So, I didn't even bother responding.[/QUOTE]Will she fuck AA men?
[QUOTE=Stuntbbc;4917269]Will she fuck AA men?[/QUOTE]Not sure. I had not thought about that, but from the political stuff she said, I would tend towards no. At the same time, she did respond to me and I was obviously black. If she wasn't interested, she would have just ignored me.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4901447]I contacted her out of curiosity. Within three sentences, she said something overtly political and something slightly moronic. I generally don't discuss politics with people (especially on the opening message) and the other thing she said made me realize she wasn't very smart. I could tell immediately that if I had to actually have a real conversation with her, she would just irritate me. So, I didn't even bother responding.[/QUOTE]She talked my ear off for about 45 min the first time I saw her at her place. Talked about kids, grandkids, etc. I just let it roll off me because I needed to bust a nut, LOL. It was odd given all the reports that when I went to fuck her she asked about protection. I said I'd rather not and she just said ok but I don't recall anyone else reporting her talking about wrapping up.
Will anyone help me contact Rose? Info? I want to meet her. LOL pm me.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4917664]Not sure. I had not thought about that, but from the political stuff she said, I would tend towards no. At the same time, she did respond to me and I was obviously black. If she wasn't interested, she would have just ignored me.[/QUOTE]I asked her about it when we were talking early on and it wasn't a problem. Could be YMMV though.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4901447]I contacted her out of curiosity. Within three sentences, she said something overtly political and something slightly moronic. I generally don't discuss politics with people (especially on the opening message) and the other thing she said made me realize she wasn't very smart. I could tell immediately that if I had to actually have a real conversation with her, she would just irritate me. So, I didn't even bother responding.[/QUOTE]That is sad to hear M1967. I had seen her a while back and she knows how to treat a man. But I agree with you, if you feel that this is person you would not connect with, it is good that you stayed away. It is better to have to find someone else, than do a bad appointment.
SBRO was Roxanne, and then changed her name.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b8f9b9a5-f1fc-4622-adb6-07bab19f1f77[/URL]
Roxanne is a cute, charming girl. Very smart and interesting. I met her for coffee a couple of times. It seems like she only wants paid coffee dates and not intimate visits. Or maybe she just didn't like me. YMMV. Has anyone had better luck with her?
Any Intel in this one?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cd23f57f-8bcc-421b-922c-7520e9d83823[/URL]
I don't know if it was a matter of color, race, age (I'm not young) or body type but she declined to have an arrangement with me after meeting in person for a drink.
[QUOTE=Stuntbbc;4917269]Will she fuck AA men?[/QUOTE]
Well my second SA rob in three years.
I was at her place and step out to call the neighbors. I just left, not worth it.
There was some hints that she was a pro (con) from our texting but I chose to ignore them.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/68cf3401-f1bc-41fc-96dc-a885a9b02e3a[/URL]
[QUOTE=MyNickname;4920810]I don't know if it was a matter of color, race, age (I'm not young) or body type but she declined to have an arrangement with me after meeting in person for a drink.[/QUOTE]Maybe she's had some bad experiences? When I saw her the first time she just invited me to her place after only a couple texts. That's when she talked my ear off for 45 minutes while my dick was like, "Are we there yet?
[QUOTE=DelToro;4925057]Well my second SA rob in three years.
I was at her place and step out to call the neighbors. I just left, not worth it.
There was some hints that she was a pro (con) from our texting but I chose to ignore them.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/68cf3401-f1bc-41fc-96dc-a885a9b02e3a[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey. Give a little more details here or send me a PM. She was someone that I had met and was going to see regularly, but she was me causing too much stress / too needy. Not for money, she wanted to spend too much time with me. The time we were together she treated me like a king, but she was so polished that I found it to be a little phony. I finally realized that every time she contacted me, my blood pressure would spike like 20 points, so I just blocked her and ghosted her.
She is definitely a "professional" sugar baby. One that has five or six guys that she rotates for funds but she's not an "escort. " She very open and I asked her about previous sex work and she told me she used to do dominatrix work and did some pay site stuff. I would like to know how she ripped you off, she always seemed 100% genuine to me.
BTW, if you didn't hit, she's incredible looking.
[QUOTE=DelToro;4925057]
I was at her place and step out to call the neighbors. I just left, not worth it.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, you went to her place and she did a grab and dash with the allowance when she said she needed to call her neighbors?
We met at a coffee stand near her place, we proceed to get to her place, we kissed I played with her tits, she ask for the arrangement I was, sure.
She put the money away.
I undressed, she asked for condoms, I had some she said she is allergic to latex, we need to go get condoms. I dress up, we go to the local store, at the entrance she told me, "I am not allowed in there, you get them, I wait here".
I then told her, "I do not like this, lets go back to your place and give me back my money" We went back she tried to close the door on me (its a tiny little house in an alley) I did not allow her, I was just give me my money and I am out, she said, get out I want to go to the the bathroom and then I will come out and give you your money, I said fuck no, I said again just give me my money and I am out, she then went pass me and walk towards the Mechanic Workshop across the alley to ask for help from her neighbors, I said alright and let her back into her place, she locked the door and I left.
I am still considering sending a couple of seedy individuals to rough her and her boyfriend up and collect my money (I saw evidence of a male occupant in the house). Is not the amount of money is the principle.
Her place reeked of 420.
WK if you wish, I am a straight shooter here and I have no reason to lie
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4925182]Hey. Give a little more details here or send me a PM. She was someone that I had met and was going to see regularly, but she was me causing too much stress / too needy. Not for money, she wanted to spend too much time with me. The time we were together she treated me like a king, but she was so polished that I found it to be a little phony. I finally realized that every time she contacted me, my blood pressure would spike like 20 points, so I just blocked her and ghosted her.
She is definitely a "professional" sugar baby. One that has five or six guys that she rotates for funds but she's not an "escort. " She very open and I asked her about previous sex work and she told me she used to do dominatrix work and did some pay site stuff. I would like to know how she ripped you off, she always seemed 100% genuine to me.
BTW, if you didn't hit, she's incredible looking.[/QUOTE]