Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Niceguy808;2432839]From what I've been told, Century Center is on a mission to shutdown every single AMP operating there. Ambrosia, 109 and 203 are gone and others are already in the crosshairs.

Look for MoonNite to have to move soon and it's likely that other board favorites will like be next and rumors also indicate that Mayflower is being targeted. This explains why some places, like Blue Angel, have established themselves on Vineyard and CC203 girls have moved to Rejuve or taken over Jina's. I wouldn't be surprised if Hello Kitty might also be under threat.[/QUOTE]I have been made aware that Ambrosia is till open. Furthermore, Hello Kitty is in no danger of eviction.

Sorry, guys. I still have strong memories of the big purge that happened after the Hula Hands closure. So, I tend to assume the worst.

[QUOTE=MuffinStuffer;2432952]Ok I am going to attach a little 'hint hint' to the beginning of this comment. So hint hint.

Nobody needs to worry about LE getting involved at your favorite AMP. Nobody would be wrong actually, unless there is a report of a theft / robbery, assault, drug issue, exploitation / slavery or similar vociferous crime you are not going to get PD showing up to a spa. PD showing up outside or in the vicinity is 9 times out of 10 a coincidence. The other 1 time out of 10 is because of one of those other problems going on. This is why smart Mama's stick to Korean and Chinese girls. Establishments that bring in the shadier type chicks, would be the ones I would worry about if any of you are worried about PD showing up. Even if they do show up for a particular lady that is linked to something shadier than selling her snatch PD will not be looking for the customers. Just shut your mouth PD leave and continue laying pipe.

As far as Vice, its a waste of time. Most of the girls can smell a UC, if he doesn't take his clothes off, isn't a regular, watch their language and tactics change. Vice isn't interested in a waste of time. They are interested in juicy targets, ones with drugs, abusive pimps who are into other rackets. AMPs are a waste of time. The best way to look at Vice is to know they have ADHD and their attention is only caught by GLORY. Glory meaning a gunfight or a big time bust.

Another hint hint, LE at several levels not just PD are very much customers. Just ask your favorite Mama next time. Believe it or not the next time you are at CHM or Empire the next time, there is a good chance some member of Johnny Law may be in the next room laying pipe just like all the other customers. How many of you can claim knowing a retired HPD guy that has a young (er) Korean wife that you swear might be or might have been an AMP girl or Bargirl or both?

As far as CC specifically. Lease troubles in the building do not, I repeat do not have anything to do with LE trouble. The best thing that all of you could do for you favorite establishments is to stop the fear-mongering of tossing LE into the fold. Because those that do say LE LE LE OMG OMG, are wrong. Unfortunately most of those reading don't know any better. What it a camera going to prove? Nothing unless that camera actually catches you committing a crime. You walking into the building is not a crime. You ringing a bell at a business establishment is not a crime. Giving your I'd? The only reason you have to worry about that is not because anyone could give your info to LE but, that they could glean enough info for a partial I'd theft. You would be surprised what someone can do with a full name, address and lic #.

So lets keep the 'reports' section to the mongering reports and stop the fear-mongering reports.[/QUOTE]I agree, I've been in AMPs while LE conducted "a search", I reported it here. Funny thing is, not one time did I see the Landlord. Plus I know the landlords and the LE aren't working together at all. So everytime I see a report of the landlords and cops working together to fight the evil women "that they think are doing sexual massagese" I don't get it. However It does mean I get more time with the girls. And the Mamas thank me for cumming. (pun intended) The other issue is, some of the places are owned by people who like the businesses they are renting to. I know, one of my good friends is the owner of one such place, he is a rich SOB, owns an auto dealership, He is "Never going to ivict his tenant" So let it rest. And please don't ask me who my friend is. This isn't that kind of site. Pau.

[QUOTE=Niceguy808;2433028]I have been made aware that Ambrosia is till open. Furthermore, Hello Kitty is in no danger of eviction.

Sorry, guys. I still have strong memories of the big purge that happened after the Hula Hands closure. So, I tend to assume the worst.[/QUOTE]Everyone stop already, massage parlors and relaxation establishments are all legal. Check the DCCA registration for all your favorite man cave. All registered and legal for business according to the State of Hawaii. There is nothing illegal about having sex in your bedroom, in your hotel room that you paid the HF at the front desk, or at Empire where you pay for use of the room. Having sex is legal as long as it is not coerced, as long as a menu with price is not discussed. However, it is unlawful to engage in sexual acts such as a HJ at a registered massage therapy establishment as per DCCA regulations. That is why HE are sometimes challenging to obtain form a licensed massage therapist. The legislature can't make it illegal for us to give our girlfriends some money in appreciation for loving us so passionately. LOL. Otherwise LE will have to arrest my secretary for prostitution for accepting money from me. Hahaha, I should stop before I get tagged with a sexual harassment lawsuit! AMP--It's all legal in Hawaii so no shame (walk up the stair of shame or the elevator of shame with head held high, smile at the security camera) unless you have some moral issues and have the need to confess to your clergy; in which case you are engaged in the wrong hobby.

Happy hunting.

O. and.

[QUOTE=BenZ88;2432673]Me too. Mama Kim was awesome. They were the biggest AMP at that time.[/QUOTE]Before Hula Hands, Kim was downstairs in 109. I don't know about anyone else, but she personally took care of me, and she was very skilled and enthusiastic!

[QUOTE=Niceguy808;2433028]I have been made aware that Ambrosia is till open. Furthermore, Hello Kitty is in no danger of eviction.

Sorry, guys. I still have strong memories of the big purge that happened after the Hula Hands closure. So, I tend to assume the worst.[/QUOTE]Good for Ambrosia, because they were smack in the middle of renovating when this all came up.

[QUOTE=Dvd888;2431056]Got a call from Mama Candy earlier in the week. "New girl just got here, come down. " Stopped by Weds evening to see what she looked like and she turns out to be attractive 40 ish, taller well proportioned korean lady named Jia who claims to have never done this kind of work before. Speaks perfect english, sounds like she lived in the US for a while.

They have a table in the shower but I took a shower myself cause the table looks marginally clean. I passed on a massage and took off her clothes. She looked better naked which isn't always the case with older women. She has beautiful natural see's, nice okole (for a korean), and a Bush. I prefer unshaven and asked her not to shave there so she made me promise to come back and see her soon. Being new I guess she reverted to past experience and treated me like her boyfriend. Decent BBBJ, then 69, CG, RCG, MISH, standing MISH where I came in the cover.

She seemed to have enjoyed the encounter, like when you pick up a tourist in Waikiki who found you attractive and invites you to spend the night. I found her to be pleasant and accommodating but new to this kind of work. She didn't want DFK or MSOG but we ran out of time cause we were talking to long instead of taking care of business. Next time I'll know better.

L /8 A /9 S /8. Usual tariff. Will repeat cause I'm sure next time will be even better. There was also another older woman working too, but she looked a bit older than Jia.

Hope Candy can keep finding girls because her location is good as no one will spot you going in. Hehe.[/QUOTE]Mahalos for the tip, DVD. Read your post so I had to check her out. Good looking MILF- early 40's and in good shape! She also has stamina! Best BBBJ I have ever had- unbelievable ability to DT. Best ever! Good CFS in many positions. No DFK, but definite repeat!

[QUOTE=MuffinStuffer;2432952]

So lets keep the 'reports' section to the mongering reports and stop the fear-mongering reports.[/QUOTE]Second that. Fear mongering actually assists the forces that are anti-establishments.

Any dispute going on is between the owners association and the individual owners. A civil matter. Not criminal. So there is nothing to worry about from LE. I don't have a second thought about mongering there. It's a mixed use commercial-residential building, not strictly residential.

[QUOTE=Niceguy808;2432839]From what I've been told, Century Center is on a mission to shutdown every single AMP operating there. Ambrosia, 109 and 203 are gone and others are already in the crosshairs.

Look for MoonNite to have to move soon and it's likely that other board favorites will like be next and rumors also indicate that Mayflower is being targeted. This explains why some places, like Blue Angel, have established themselves on Vineyard and CC203 girls have moved to Rejuve or taken over Jina's. I wouldn't be surprised if Hello Kitty might also be under threat.

Some years ago, CC did the same thing after the Hula Hands bust. An AMP was hard to find in Century Center for a long time. Eventually, the mamasans moved back in, though were much more low-key. Still, the building curfew was established and the 24/7 AMP was a thing of the past anywhere above the 2nd floor. I wouldn't be surprised if security was keeping a record of people who come in after the curfew time who leave their IDs at the front desk. I won't be doing any more late visits there.

There's no telling to what lengths CC AOAO and LE will go to, but look for new cameras to be installed on floors where AMPs are located and some already have been.

From what I've seen over the years at CC, there's plenty of blame to go around.

Century Center went for the quick buck by renting to the mamas in the first place. The mamas were willing to pay whatever rent CC asked for and were also happy to rent several places at once. Unless they were deaf and blind, there's no way they couldn't have known what was happening. For a long time, money talked and CC listened intently. Their tenants also knew, but had to ignore it because building management didn't seem to care. It seems that enough was enough for some of them and they've apparently decided to push the building owners to kick them all out. All of them.

The mamas also violated terms of their leases by having the girls live in their places. The leases were either for residential or business. If your lease is for a residence, you're not supposed to run a business there. If your lease is for a business, you're not supposed to be living there. It doesn't get simpler than that. Still, CC must have known about it, but let it go anyway.

But, the biggest culprits are the clients themselves. Guys were coming in drunk or high, knocking on the wrong doors and making nuisances of themselves. Harassing any woman they saw that the even thought was an AMP girl and scaring the crap out of innocent people who occupy a location formerly held by an AMP or just located on the same floor. I've heard of loud arguments breaking out inside the AMPs with dissatisfied customers arguing with the mamas or the girls, which only served to draw unwanted attention to the fact that an AMP was there. Sure, most of the guys on this board would know better, but not every AMP client comes to this board and some that do aren't astute enough to keep things on the down low.

So, for the second time in recent memory, Century Center is out to evict the AMPs and it's likely that escorts operating there may be getting the boot as well.[/QUOTE]NG808, dude. Mayflower is owned by a gent in San Francisco. The corporation acting as an agent for Mayflower is a multimillion dollar company called CSC. It has a subsidiary in downtown called CSC of Hawaii acting as an agent for Mayflower; providing logistical, legal, and probably financial backing. To Mayflower, CC AOAO must be like an annoying cockroach scurrying in the hallway at night. Completely harmless irritation. As MC Hammer sang, "You can't touch this. " Big money, big business, spineless politicians, laws with no teeth for LE to do anything because in reality, Hawaii has legalized brothels by omission.

We live in a great State.

Happy hunting.

O. and.

[QUOTE=MondoBadfoot;2433178]Before Hula Hands, Kim was downstairs in 109. I don't know about anyone else, but she personally took care of me, and she was very skilled and enthusiastic![/QUOTE]I had her only once--inside one of the rooms at Hula Hands. A freak-in-the-sheets, she was. I really don't recall ever seeing her in 109.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2433210]NG808, dude. Mayflower is owned by a gent in San Francisco. The corporation acting as an agent for Mayflower is a multimillion dollar company called CSC. It has a subsidiary in downtown called CSC of Hawaii acting as an agent for Mayflower; providing logistical, legal, and probably financial backing. To Mayflower, CC AOAO must be like an annoying cockroach scurrying in the hallway at night. Completely harmless irritation. As MC Hammer sang, "You can't touch this. " Big money, big business, spineless politicians, laws with no teeth for LE to do anything because in reality, Hawaii has legalized brothels by omission.

We live in a great State.

Happy hunting.

O. and.[/QUOTE]Very well put Oishinanko.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2433210]NG808, dude. Mayflower is owned by a gent in San Francisco. The corporation acting as an agent for Mayflower is a multimillion dollar company called CSC. It has a subsidiary in downtown called CSC of Hawaii acting as an agent for Mayflower; providing logistical, legal, and probably financial backing. To Mayflower, CC AOAO must be like an annoying cockroach scurrying in the hallway at night. Completely harmless irritation. As MC Hammer sang, "You can't touch this. " Big money, big business, spineless politicians, laws with no teeth for LE to do anything because in reality, Hawaii has legalized brothels by omission.

We live in a great State.

Happy hunting.

O. and.[/QUOTE]The AOAO does what all do which is attempt to scare owners into submission. I would not be surprised if Mayflower closes due to these actions. I hope not, but Yoyo was not talking like a confident AMP owner the last time I talked to her about it.

[QUOTE=Niceguy808;2432839]From what I've been told, Century Center is on a mission to shutdown every single AMP operating there. Ambrosia, 109 and 203 are gone and others are already in the crosshairs.

Look for MoonNite to have to move soon and it's likely that other board favorites will like be next and rumors also indicate that Mayflower is being targeted. This explains why some places, like Blue Angel, have established themselves on Vineyard and CC203 girls have moved to Rejuve or taken over Jina's. I wouldn't be surprised if Hello Kitty might also be under threat.

Some years ago, CC did the same thing after the Hula Hands bust. An AMP was hard to find in Century Center for a long time. Eventually, the mamasans moved back in, though were much more low-key. Still, the building curfew was established and the 24/7 AMP was a thing of the past anywhere above the 2nd floor. I wouldn't be surprised if security was keeping a record of people who come in after the curfew time who leave their IDs at the front desk. I won't be doing any more late visits there.

There's no telling to what lengths CC AOAO and LE will go to, but look for new cameras to be installed on floors where AMPs are located and some already have been.

From what I've seen over the years at CC, there's plenty of blame to go around.

Century Center went for the quick buck by renting to the mamas in the first place. The mamas were willing to pay whatever rent CC asked for and were also happy to rent several places at once. Unless they were deaf and blind, there's no way they couldn't have known what was happening. For a long time, money talked and CC listened intently. Their tenants also knew, but had to ignore it because building management didn't seem to care. It seems that enough was enough for some of them and they've apparently decided to push the building owners to kick them all out. All of them.

The mamas also violated terms of their leases by having the girls live in their places. The leases were either for residential or business. If your lease is for a residence, you're not supposed to run a business there. If your lease is for a business, you're not supposed to be living there. It doesn't get simpler than that. Still, CC must have known about it, but let it go anyway.

But, the biggest culprits are the clients themselves. Guys were coming in drunk or high, knocking on the wrong doors and making nuisances of themselves. Harassing any woman they saw that the even thought was an AMP girl and scaring the crap out of innocent people who occupy a location formerly held by an AMP or just located on the same floor. I've heard of loud arguments breaking out inside the AMPs with dissatisfied customers arguing with the mamas or the girls, which only served to draw unwanted attention to the fact that an AMP was there. Sure, most of the guys on this board would know better, but not every AMP client comes to this board and some that do aren't astute enough to keep things on the down low.

So, for the second time in recent memory, Century Center is out to evict the AMPs and it's likely that escorts operating there may be getting the boot as well.[/QUOTE]As it was reported many times 109 is not one of the place affected as the above reports states. Happiness just outgrew 109. They needed a place that was bigger. 3 rooms could not handle the volume of customers coming to this place.

I can see the logic of the AOAO board of CC wanting the illegal massage businesses out of the building. LE probably won't get involved (unless something really agregious is happening). So the building management itself will try to shame mongers from going there, and pressuring landlords not to renew leases once they expire. Evictions are messy and require deep pockets due to legal procedures. Some of the AMPs are / were a little too blatant in advertising for services. I recall the former 109 owners taking pictures of their girls poolside at CC, other amps take pics of their girls near windows that are all obviously CC views, and giving out room numbers of CC units. That's kind of unwise on their part.

I know they want to make it easy for we mongers to know where they are, but descretion is a virtue in this business (plus it's common sense not to draw too much attention to yourself by building management). I think eventually most of the obvious offenders will go somewhere else, but others will remain. It will be a lengthy process though. It's not a crime to go to CC and visit a unit there. Just be smart about it and don't draw unneeded attention to yourself.

Hey guys, here is a thought; when posting reviews of girls with a 3 letter name, let's add 1 letter to the name. This site does not recognize 3 letter names. Try this instead: Lux becomes Luxx; Aki becomes Akii; Amy becomes Amyy; Soi becomes Soii. See how that works. So in the future if we remember to post a 4 letter name for a 3 letter name-that will help us mongers in our search efforts.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2433210]NG808, dude. Mayflower is owned by a gent in San Francisco. The corporation acting as an agent for Mayflower is a multimillion dollar company called CSC. It has a subsidiary in downtown called CSC of Hawaii acting as an agent for Mayflower; providing logistical, legal, and probably financial backing. To Mayflower, CC AOAO must be like an annoying cockroach scurrying in the hallway at night. Completely harmless irritation. As MC Hammer sang, "You can't touch this. " Big money, big business, spineless politicians, laws with no teeth for LE to do anything because in reality, Hawaii has legalized brothels by omission.

We live in a great State.

Happy hunting.

O. and.[/QUOTE]I think you're misunderstanding CSC here -- CSC Services of Hawaii, is what some call a "corporation company. " Essentially, when you do business in a state, you need to have an agent for service of process (see the State DCCA). Understandably, many large corporations do not wish to set up physical offices for this purpose, so contract CSC or other corporation companies to act as their agent in a particular state. If you search the DCCA, you'll find that CSC "represents" a _lot_ of corporations, such as Wells Fargo, Vanguard, etc. , etc. , etc. Now Mayflower? Who knows, maybe they just wanted anonymizing of their info or whatever. No, I don't work for CSC, just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding.

Finally popped my MP cherry & it wasn't what I thought it would be. Maybe I had too high of expectations. Was trying to go to Happiness but the ad I looked at was for Seven. I called & made an appt for no one in particular but to make I had somebody. Got there & was greeted by Sasha. About 5 ft, 110 lbs, very petite but I was enjoyed what I saw. She walks me to the room & said she would return. My anticipation & excitement was building up.

She walks in& climbs on top with light kisses on my chest & stroking King. No kissing or GFE, straight to busy. Didn't really mind. Next was CBJ, nothing spectacular, no DT, a little slurping, but was not impressed. After about 2 minutes she climbs on top. Comfortable fit, not too tight or wide open. Then she dismounts & asks for tip. In my head I'm like WTF?

Give her the tip the we fall back on the bed for mish. She was very soft spoken with her words & moans but it didn't seem real more like just going with the motions. Finally was k9. Have to say that felt VERY hood & was able get King deep in her love muscle after about 15 minutes, she said she was about to pop & could feel her muscle contracting which made pop. Once done she died me off & brought me some water & that was it. Out the door I go.

As stated earlier, I wanted to go to Happiness, so when I left, I looked up their ad & figured I was in the wrong place and drove over there, but still didn't see it. I saw Orchid & China Doll, but no Happiness. Maybe someone here can help with that?

Maybe because I'm AA, affected the service, don't know. All in all, I finally got to be with a Korean & will probably sample again because there has to be a better experience than that. To sum up: No GFE, no DATY or DATO, No kissing, CBJ, CFS, Mish & K9. Repeat at 7, doubt it. Any tips for the future are appreciated. You can pm me or just reply. Safe mongering.

[QUOTE=ByTheBook;2433889]Hey guys, here is a thought; when posting reviews of girls with a 3 letter name, let's add 1 letter to the name. This site does not recognize 3 letter names. Try this instead: Lux becomes Luxx; Aki becomes Akii; Amy becomes Amyy; Soi becomes Soii. See how that works. So in the future if we remember to post a 4 letter name for a 3 letter name-that will help us mongers in our search efforts.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a great idea! Wonder why nobody has suggested that before?

[QUOTE=Goser;2433620]The AOAO does what all do which is attempt to scare owners into submission. I would not be surprised if Mayflower closes due to these actions. I hope not, but Yoyo was not talking like a confident AMP owner the last time I talked to her about it.[/QUOTE]As previously reported, the person on record as the principle for Mayflower, LLC is located in the link below. The person has legal residence in San Francisco. Is yoyo from San Fran?? I think she runs the place but is not the owner. If you look up CSC services which acts as the agent for Mayflower, you will realize how powerful CSC is and that they wouldn't care a F* about the AOAO.

[URL]https://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=94158C5&view=info[/URL]

Like all AMP, Mayflower is a legal entity doing business within the boundary set by Hawaii Statute. As long as the girls do not ask for money, it's all legal and not prostitution.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=ByTheBook;2433889]Hey guys, here is a thought; when posting reviews of girls with a 3 letter name, let's add 1 letter to the name. This site does not recognize 3 letter names. Try this instead: Lux becomes Luxx; Aki becomes Akii; Amy becomes Amyy; Soi becomes Soii. See how that works. So in the future if we remember to post a 4 letter name for a 3 letter name-that will help us mongers in our search efforts.[/QUOTE]Fantastic idea!!

[QUOTE=Spartacus77;2433748]I can see the logic of the AOAO board of CC wanting the illegal massage businesses out of the building. LE probably won't get involved (unless something really agregious is happening). So the building management itself will try to shame mongers from going there, and pressuring landlords not to renew leases once they expire. Evictions are messy and require deep pockets due to legal procedures. Some of the AMPs are / were a little too blatant in advertising for services. I recall the former 109 owners taking pictures of their girls poolside at CC, other amps take pics of their girls near windows that are all obviously CC views, and giving out room numbers of CC units. That's kind of unwise on their part.

I know they want to make it easy for we mongers to know where they are, but descretion is a virtue in this business (plus it's common sense not to draw too much attention to yourself by building management). I think eventually most of the obvious offenders will go somewhere else, but others will remain. It will be a lengthy process though. It's not a crime to go to CC and visit a unit there. Just be smart about it and don't draw unneeded attention to yourself.[/QUOTE]Hmmm they know about board and hey they make a $1. 00 off every monger that's get a massage with the parking pass. Yea go figure. They are so many mongers everyday so it adds up for them its extra money. LOL.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2433210]NG808, dude. Mayflower is owned by a gent in San Francisco. The corporation acting as an agent for Mayflower is a multimillion dollar company called CSC. It has a subsidiary in downtown called CSC of Hawaii acting as an agent for Mayflower; providing logistical, legal, and probably financial backing. To Mayflower, CC AOAO must be like an annoying cockroach scurrying in the hallway at night. Completely harmless irritation. As MC Hammer sang, "You can't touch this. " Big money, big business, spineless politicians, laws with no teeth for LE to do anything because in reality, Hawaii has legalized brothels by omission.

We live in a great State.

Happy hunting.

O. and.[/QUOTE]I kinda didn't want to bring it up but yeah, seems Mayflower is a Limited Liability Corporation. Another company formed this LLC so yes they are quite connected It's not like it's just some lady renting girls in her apartment.

In the bottom line though, what will happen is what will happen. Time will tell.

[QUOTE=DatDude808;2434163]Finally popped my MP cherry & it wasn't what I thought it would be. Maybe I had too high of expectations. Was trying to go to Happiness but the ad I looked at was for Seven. I called & made an appt for no one in particular but to make I had somebody. Got there & was greeted by Sasha. About 5 ft, 110 lbs, very petite but I was enjoyed what I saw. She walks me to the room & said she would return. My anticipation & excitement was building up.

She walks in& climbs on top with light kisses on my chest & stroking King. No kissing or GFE, straight to busy. Didn't really mind. Next was CBJ, nothing spectacular, no DT, a little slurping, but was not impressed. After about 2 minutes she climbs on top. Comfortable fit, not too tight or wide open. Then she dismounts & asks for tip. In my head I'm like WTF?

Give her the tip the we fall back on the bed for mish. She was very soft spoken with her words & moans but it didn't seem real more like just going with the motions. Finally was k9. Have to say that felt VERY hood & was able get King deep in her love muscle after about 15 minutes, she said she was about to pop & could feel her muscle contracting which made pop. Once done she died me off & brought me some water & that was it. Out the door I go.

As stated earlier, I wanted to go to Happiness, so when I left, I looked up their ad & figured I was in the wrong place and drove over there, but still didn't see it. I saw Orchid & China Doll, but no Happiness. Maybe someone here can help with that?

Maybe because I'm AA, affected the service, don't know. All in all, I finally got to be with a Korean & will probably sample again because there has to be a better experience than that. To sum up: No GFE, no DATY or DATO, No kissing, CBJ, CFS, Mish & K9. Repeat at 7, doubt it. Any tips for the future are appreciated. You can pm me or just reply. Safe mongering.[/QUOTE]Happiness IS at the old China Doll location. They haven't changed the signs yet (Happiness opened there just last week).

It looks like Sasha gave you the LE check in the beginning. That has happened to me during a couple visits there with a new girl. First thing, they will slap on a condom and ride you in ACG for a few pumps. I didn't mind it when Chanel, Olivia, Jenny & Tammy did that to me the first time I saw them. Never give the tip until you are done with the girl.

In Backpage, if you search for "Happiness," Seven's ad always shows up in the results, as well as the Happiness AMP. That's what led you to Seven instead.

[QUOTE=RelaxedGuy;2433985]I think you're misunderstanding CSC here -- CSC Services of Hawaii, is what some call a "corporation company. " Essentially, when you do business in a state, you need to have an agent for service of process (see the State DCCA). Understandably, many large corporations do not wish to set up physical offices for this purpose, so contract CSC or other corporation companies to act as their agent in a particular state. If you search the DCCA, you'll find that CSC "represents" a _lot_ of corporations, such as Wells Fargo, Vanguard, etc. , etc. , etc. Now Mayflower? Who knows, maybe they just wanted anonymizing of their info or whatever. No, I don't work for CSC, just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]You don't need a physical office or a corporation company to set up and run a business in Hawaii even if you are an out of state resident. You just need a physical address. Mayflower already has a physical address; and a few other documents like your federal tax I'd no. And Hawaii GE tax license; and hire someone like Yoyo to manage the day to day operations. CSC or corporation companys' will literally run the administrative, legal, and financial aspects of your company. I believe CSC SERVICE OF Hawaii is doing more behind the scene than just being an agent of record. Any problem that Mayflower may experience with the CC AOAO is likely handled by CSC SERVICES OF Hawaii so that hopefully all us mongers can enjoy our hobby. I love this country. Big corporation supporting our local sex industry.

Happy hunting.

Oishi ne.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2434205] As long as the girls do not ask for money, it's all legal and not prostitution.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, that was exactly the problem at a certain sex place and was the topic of discussion back then. Later, there seemed to be a consensus here about not bringing up raids. I agree, and won't comment about this year alone.

[QUOTE=Blake123;2434373]Happiness IS at the old China Doll location. They haven't changed the signs yet (Happiness opened there just last week).

It looks like Sasha gave you the LE check in the beginning. That has happened to me during a couple visits there with a new girl. First thing, they will slap on a condom and ride you in ACG for a few pumps. I didn't mind it when Chanel, Olivia, Jenny & Tammy did that to me the first time I saw them. Never give the tip until you are done with the girl.

In Backpage, if you search for "Happiness," Seven's ad always shows up in the results, as well as the Happiness AMP. That's what led you to Seven instead.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. What you explained with the search is how I came up with the ad. I had read about the LE check awhile ago but forgot, now it makes sense. It still kinda throws off the session tho. I was confused & about to be mad as hell.

So if I refused to pay when she asked, couldn't she have refused service? IDK. Like I said I'm new, didn't want to be an asshole or aggressive but also I was unsure of what was going on, so I cooperated.

I honestly think it would have been different somewhere else. I'll find out & report back.

[QUOTE=Blake123;2434373] Never give the tip until you are done with the girl. [/QUOTE]Good advice.

That's been emphasized on the forum again and again over the years, and guys have often reported unfavorable results when doing the opposite.

As posted by Kapalua years ago:

"In my opinion it's preferable to not pay the 'tip' in advance at an AMP, and that's my policy. If an AMP provider requests advance payment of the tip, a customer can show her that he has the money and then explain (in a polite and friendly manner) that the amount of the 'tip' will depend upon the quality of the service. If a provider refuses to proceed without advance payment of the tip, a customer can ask the mama for a different provider or simply leave that AMP. In my opinion it's better to limit the loss to $50 than risk losing the full $200. If the tip is paid in advance, then what the provider in this case said is often true: 'she can do whatever she wants' and doesn't have to 'care about what the customer's expectations or wants are'. [B]A customer's advance payment of the tip shifts the balance of power completely to the provider[/B]".

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2434423]Good advice.

That's been emphasized on the forum again and again over the years, and guys have often reported unfavorable results when doing the opposite.

As posted by Kapalua years ago:

"In my opinion it's preferable to not pay the 'tip' in advance at an AMP, and that's my policy. If an AMP provider requests advance payment of the tip, a customer can show her that he has the money and then explain (in a polite and friendly manner) that the amount of the 'tip' will depend upon the quality of the service. If a provider refuses to proceed without advance payment of the tip, a customer can ask the mama for a different provider or simply leave that AMP. In my opinion it's better to limit the loss to $50 than risk losing the full $200. If the tip is paid in advance, then what the provider in this case said is often true: 'she can do whatever she wants' and doesn't have to 'care about what the customer's expectations or wants are'. [B]A customer's advance payment of the tip shifts the balance of power completely to the provider[/B]".[/QUOTE]Totally true. I would rather walk and forfeit the HF than pay the full tip upfront to a questionable provider.

[QUOTE=Blake123;2434431]Totally true. I would rather walk and forfeit the HF than pay the full tip upfront to a questionable provider.[/QUOTE]In my past experiences when leaving an establishment without being serviced the mama always returned the house fee. The good ones actually asked why I didn't choose to stay.

G35.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2434423]Good advice.

That's been emphasized on the forum again and again over the years, and guys have often reported unfavorable results when doing the opposite.

As posted by Kapalua years ago:

"In my opinion it's preferable to not pay the 'tip' in advance at an AMP, and that's my policy. If an AMP provider requests advance payment of the tip, a customer can show her that he has the money and then explain (in a polite and friendly manner) that the amount of the 'tip' will depend upon the quality of the service. If a provider refuses to proceed without advance payment of the tip, a customer can ask the mama for a different provider or simply leave that AMP. In my opinion it's better to limit the loss to $50 than risk losing the full $200. If the tip is paid in advance, then what the provider in this case said is often true: 'she can do whatever she wants' and doesn't have to 'care about what the customer's expectations or wants are'. [B]A customer's advance payment of the tip shifts the balance of power completely to the provider[/B]".[/QUOTE]When you are in the room-you are in charge.

[QUOTE=ByTheBook;2435035]When you are in the room-you are in charge.[/QUOTE]Unless you are an alpha male.

[QUOTE=Oishinanko;2434205]As previously reported, the person on record as the principle for Mayflower, LLC is located in the link below. The person has legal residence in San Francisco. Is yoyo from San Fran?? I think she runs the place but is not the owner. If you look up CSC services which acts as the agent for Mayflower, you will realize how powerful CSC is and that they wouldn't care a F* about the AOAO.

[URL]https://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=94158C5&view=info[/URL]

Like all AMP, Mayflower is a legal entity doing business within the boundary set by Hawaii Statute. As long as the girls do not ask for money, it's all legal and not prostitution.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Mr, O, all stated above apears to be correct.

Aoao is not le.

Mf has a lease agreement with land lord, unless mf is the owner.

Believe only the land lord can evict for cause in the lease.

Well, good luck AMP s.

Ask K2, esq.

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[QUOTE=Redneck1;2434423]Good advice.

That's been emphasized on the forum again and again over the years, and guys have often reported unfavorable results when doing the opposite.

As posted by Kapalua years ago:

"In my opinion it's preferable to not pay the 'tip' in advance at an AMP, and that's my policy. If an AMP provider requests advance payment of the tip, a customer can show her that he has the money and then explain (in a polite and friendly manner) that the amount of the 'tip' will depend upon the quality of the service. If a provider refuses to proceed without advance payment of the tip, a customer can ask the mama for a different provider or simply leave that AMP. In my opinion it's better to limit the loss to $50 than risk losing the full $200. If the tip is paid in advance, then what the provider in this case said is often true: 'she can do whatever she wants' and doesn't have to 'care about what the customer's expectations or wants are'. [B]A customer's advance payment of the tip shifts the balance of power completely to the provider[/B]".[/QUOTE]This is gospel. My worst and expensive experiences were paid up front.

RIP KAP.

[QUOTE=Tacoman808;2435986]This is gospel. My worst and expensive experiences were paid up front.

RIP KAP.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but given the trend of guys stiffing the girls on tips, I think they will start taking money upfront again given the jerks who are ruining it for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Goser;2433620]The AOAO does what all do which is attempt to scare owners into submission. I would not be surprised if Mayflower closes due to these actions. I hope not, but Yoyo was not talking like a confident AMP owner the last time I talked to her about it.[/QUOTE]Most AMPs have short life spans compared to real businesses. For whatever reasons MF may close for, it's just the nature of these establishments. I think the fallacy of AMP owners is to assume that they'll have a lucrative business for a long time rather than looking at it as a business that may only be lucrative for maybe 2 or 3 years. Makes for a different business plan. The K-Bars are another example of short lived establishments with revolving owners.

Yoyo's mistake was putting all of her eggs into one basket at CC and thinking should would be immune from the AOAO (which functions to protect the property value of the owners). Was kind of idiotic and blatant for her to buy the unit next door (through a proxy) and use it as an AMP. She should have rented so her assets would be liquid. I guess that's why she's opened a new place near Chinatown to generate revenue to pay the bills if she has to shut down MF.

[QUOTE=Blake123;2434373]

It looks like Sasha gave you the LE check in the beginning. That has happened to me during a couple visits there with a new girl. First thing, they will slap on a condom and ride you in ACG for a few pumps. I didn't mind it when Chanel, Olivia, Jenny & Tammy did that to me the first time I saw them. Never give the tip until you are done with the girl.

[/QUOTE]When I get the quick fuck LE check, I just want to keep going until I finish. My best erection is the first. LOL. Anyways, the law was changed that LE cannot "penetrate" a suspect during the course of a prostitution investigation. So that LE check will definitely expose or neutralize any undercover LE.

[QUOTE=Idusixtyning;2436064]When I get the quick fuck LE check, I just want to keep going until I finish. My best erection is the first. LOL. Anyways, the law was changed that LE cannot "penetrate" a suspect during the course of a prostitution investigation. So that LE check will definitely expose or neutralize any undercover LE.[/QUOTE]I love this new LE check. I think I am going to 7 to try it out. After the LE check, I'll tell her I need to come back later because I am LE and came her to bust her. But, given what she did I would need to come back later as a private citizen.

Long time monger here and in the mainland. Lived on this island for 25 years now and am in my fifties. I know I haven't posted much but I just want to thank all members of this forum for the great info and reports of providers. Over the years I have had the pleasure of Monica, Michelle, Nara, Wendy, Pie, Chrissie, Paula, Junko, Joon, Happy, and just yesterday enjoyed the company of Cindy, aka The Julie. Plus many more that aren't quiet as (famous). Again thanks to all of you and keep up the great work. And BTW I'm still open for more ideas of great providers. Aloha.

[QUOTE=Goser;2435996]Yeah, but given the trend of guys stiffing the girls on tips, I think they will start taking money upfront again given the jerks who are ruining it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]So, then, depending on the AMP and its location, type of clients it gets, it may be understandable, even borderline acceptable if a girl asks for tip up front? Not saying it is or isn't, just looking for clarification on your comment.

[QUOTE=Punanilicr;2436465]So, then, depending on the AMP and its location, type of clients it gets, it may be understandable, even borderline acceptable if a girl asks for tip up front? Not saying it is or isn't, just looking for clarification on your comment.[/QUOTE]I am saying that we should expect it to happen more than before due to the unethical mongers who are capitalizing on the situation.