"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2810066]Had an M&G and car BBBJ with an SB this week, knowing that she is the hostess / manager of a restaurant we go to for brunch once a month. Need to figure out how to work that one out of the rotation since I know she works Sundays for sure (when I put 2 and 2 together, I recognized her from a prior visit -- saw her at the hostess stand and thought "a little thick, but pretty, and that tongue stud must be awesome for sucking cock" I was right![/QUOTE]May I ask where she works since she is a former? Descrip?

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2809424]I'm always curious about some of the war stories out there.
Some we regret doing.
Some we loved doing... and we think we are going to hell because of it.

OK. Here is one to get started.

I'm going to hell, because.
I hooked up with a high school girl last year and came inside her.
In my defense, I did check her ID and she is 18+.[/QUOTE]I'm IN heaven BECAUSE I creamed an 18 yr old. Most energetic pussy I've ever had.

I cream pie them all.

SBs are an emotional risk, but escorts are a larger legal and healthcare risk. Besides, I no longer want to screw a girl who has done 8 other guys that day.

I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

-Advertise on any escort site or working for an agency trumps all!

-Always advertising / searching for as many SD as they can get on a SB / SD site.

-Work other avenues to find SD or paying customer (Tender, dating sites, bars, bartending, waitressing, hustle this or that).

-Work other geographical areas with any of the above options.

-Unless in college, 50% or higher of annual income comes from these activities.

-Respond to any man with little interest in who he is, weight, size, or looks.

-Doesn't make amateur mistakes with identity (pics, name, email, phone #, Facebook, etc).

-Keeps an expensive appearance (clothes, bags, cars, jewelry) well beyond what peers in their vanilla job can afford.

-Doesn't hold a vanilla job.

-Has little desire to personally better themselves by getting better paying legal jobs (like the rest of us have to do).

-Know what the phrase "rinse a guy" means.

-Read this site (to gain leverage on us) in addition to posts on tumbl ((r)) to learn how other girls make SB money, to learn additional tricks to rinse, rip a guy off, or inflate their value, and by attempting to make us guys compete against one another (by talking about what someone else paid them, did, etc).

I finally figured I would contribute a little. Typically everything is already answered! What did I miss? Be safe!

I've seen several explanations over the years, but I must say, this one is pretty good! Good job! I've mentioned how all of us look at the SD / SB relationship differently, or have different goals. I've run into a lot of girls that meet one or several or your pro points, they tried to sell themselves as a SB. Not that I didn't still knock the bottom out of them, but I wouldn't classify them as a SB, or say they met my needs in that respect. Boils down to the emotional connection, and honesty. Can't stand the girls that fib or lie. I'll call them on it once, do it again, move them out the door. Next.

Meeting a 23 yo young lady this evening for dinner, see if she deserves to be in the rotation. I've got a feeling, maybe 50% that she is a pro based on pics. Talking and story line up though. Wish me luck.

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;2810764]I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

-Advertise on any escort site or working for an agency trumps all!

-Always advertising / searching for as many SD as they can get on a SB / SD site.

-Work other avenues to find SD or paying customer (Tender, dating sites, bars, bartending, waitressing, hustle this or that).

-Work other geographical areas with any of the above options.

-Unless in college, 50% or higher of annual income comes from these activities.

-Respond to any man with little interest in who he is, weight, size, or looks.

-Doesn't make amateur mistakes with identity (pics, name, email, phone #, Facebook, etc).

-Keeps an expensive appearance (clothes, bags, cars, jewelry) well beyond what peers in their vanilla job can afford.

-Doesn't hold a vanilla job.

-Has little desire to personally better themselves by getting better paying legal jobs (like the rest of us have to do).

-Know what the phrase "rinse a guy" means.

-Read this site (to gain leverage on us) in addition to posts on tumbl ((r)) to learn how other girls make SB money, to learn additional tricks to rinse, rip a guy off, or inflate their value, and by attempting to make us guys compete against one another (by talking about what someone else paid them, did, etc).

I finally figured I would contribute a little. Typically everything is already answered! What did I miss? Be safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;2810764]I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

[/QUOTE]I would divide them into Hard and soft indicators;.

1 or more Hard =hooker (most of your list).

3+ soft =Pro SB.

- more than 1 SD.

- rinser knowlege.

- no job or degree track in college, to name a few.

I view a real SB as a pure amateur and highly value the naive, one at a time girl. Once they are playing more than one it is a career and subjects the SD to a much higher level of risk. I don't even like for my SB to have a BF or SO since that introduces a level of drama. I demand a clean pussy and don't want other guys' DNA on my playground. But that's just me. I realize a lot of SDs do not care.

I pick SBs who are too busy with work, career, school or children to hassle with or need a BF. Many have been burned by a derelict SO or BF and are disgusted by worthless men in general. All need money but I avoid the ones who have no source of income. These are the Nando 1 types who will do what they have to do to get money. I catch them in the transition which usually lasts 4 to 6 months. I ask that they tell me if they acquire a new sex partner and call it quits. They can and do lie, but the signs are always there. One SB I really cared about let me spend the night at her place. I noticed guy piss stains all over the toilet after a few months and knew that I wasn't the only cat in the sandbox. . Sayonara baby.

[QUOTE=S2568;2804042]Had a quick first visit with a college freshman yesterday 18/ blk. Really hot tiny petite body for m&g cost 100. Set a meeting for full date today, so I thought!! For 300, but texts me today just before the meet and tells me she wants to have simple Fun Time!! Hell no!! Got burned running around spending money hoping to get some previously. Done with that crap, may be some potential there but not taking any chances.

My question to you all is there are so many young ones out there thinking that there are men on SA looking for some arm candy or looking to have a young girl to make them feel better, and spend thousands of dollars on them not getting intimate times, what the F*.

Any thoughts on that.[/QUOTE]Was it RVABABY or baby_Claire? Both asked me for upfront for M&G. I said no but was considering.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2811734]Was it RVABABY or baby_Claire? Both asked me for upfront for M&G. I said no but was considering.[/QUOTE]The advice on here was priceless. Don't pay for m&g. Ellabun tried that and I moved on. She stated everyone pays her for the m&g. To bad, she could have ended up with a SD who wants to stick with one SB, really helps her out, and one SB reduces my risk except it is easier to end up with no plans! I hold no judgement for you that have multiple SB, etc! I have a character flaw and to many would stress me out!

My assessment of SA after several months:

I am entirely h&w proportional for my age. Sometimes I am found attractive so know you know where I am starting from. I can't give details because some SB (often Pro) read this site.

Everyone in college 18-24 is largely a waste of time. While I get plenty of responses, few go to m&g. Buy yourself a drink if you pull this off monthly!

College SB is hard to pin down, often ignore response, go dark occasionally, and think very near term (last minute).

A pro responds to your email, meets, and is readily available. Or the SB is desperate and you are lucky!

Lots of interest, 30-40 responses but only a few went to m&g.

There are a few that when they find one SD they instantly hide or remove their SA profile. Under the Radar and a good find! I missed out on one as I couldn't get my schedule to align and she was gone.

I turned down anyone who required payment for just a m&g.

A Pot will disappear quickly after initial response or stop responding on any given day. College girls are notorious for this. But, just expect it, be nice, and sometimes it works out when you try month (s) later.

My SO watches my phone like a hawk and has been known to go through call, message and browser history (thank god for incognito mode).

Burner phone is an option, but one more expense to hide as well as the device itself.

Comcast Xfinity has a great solution -- assuming your SO does not know how to log on to the administrator account (mine has no clue it exists).

1) You can add many additional email addresses / usernames to your main account.

2) you can add additional phone numbers to the account and associate them to the email address / user name.

3) You can use that phone number for texting and calls without having a land line.

The Xfinity app on your phone allows you to log in with secure password (after each session, I log out and log back in using my personal email address so snooping SO thinks I was checking my personal email -- we have a rule, no getting email directly on phone to avoid work distractions).

You can check email, send texts using your Xfinity only phone number and even make calls over that phone number using your smart phone! Best of all, call I'd just shows up as the number you are calling from no name or other I'd info and googling the number is useless unless you post it some where public,.

YOu can access email and text from any pc as well by logging into your account on the Comcast site (there is probably a way to make and receive calls on your number using a Bluetooth headset, but not there yet).

Anyone see any flaws?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2812789]My SO watches my phone like a hawk and has been known to go through call, message and browser history (thank god for incognito mode).

Burner phone is an option, but one more expense to hide as well as the device itself.

Comcast Xfinity has a great solution -- assuming your SO does not know how to log on to the administrator account (mine has no clue it exists).

1) You can add many additional email addresses / usernames to your main account.

2) you can add additional phone numbers to the account and associate them to the email address / user name.

3) You can use that phone number for texting and calls without having a land line.

The Xfinity app on your phone allows you to log in with secure password (after each session, I log out and log back in using my personal email address so snooping SO thinks I was checking my personal email -- we have a rule, no getting email directly on phone to avoid work distractions).

You can check email, send texts using your Xfinity only phone number and even make calls over that phone number using your smart phone! Best of all, call I'd just shows up as the number you are calling from no name or other I'd info and googling the number is useless unless you post it some where public,.

YOu can access email and text from any pc as well by logging into your account on the Comcast site (there is probably a way to make and receive calls on your number using a Bluetooth headset, but not there yet).

Anyone see any flaws?[/QUOTE]Yeah, hidden in plain sight only works as long as SO remains ignorant. The day she wakes up....

I dunno, I'm not there, one has to judge for them self. It appears as she is suspicious and snooping already. How long can that last before a "friend" clues her in?

As far as a burner goes? Huh? Can you hide $30/ month in expense? One can buy a decent, but smaller LG Leon LTE (Android 5. 1. 1), Bluetooth 4. 1 from MetroPCS for $30 and get a $30/ mo plan with 1 G 4 GLTE and unlimited 3 G. Stop in store each month & had over cash, or buy phone cards at Wally World. Other idea is use GV and hide all of that on there. Better, layer both.

What woman isn't suspicious?

A friend can clue in any SO about anything in Monger world. This site, SA, escort sites.

Breaking Bad ruined burner phones for so many people.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2812946]What woman isn't suspicious?

A friend can clue in any SO about anything in Monger world. This site, SA, escort sites.

Breaking Bad ruined burner phones for so many people.[/QUOTE]Too late for most of us but why in the world get married? There is such a boatload of affordable pussy that unless accessibility dries up don't go there.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2812982]Too late for most of us but why in the world get married? There is such a boatload of affordable pussy that unless accessibility dries up don't go there.[/QUOTE]Buy Apple at $12 a share.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2811734]Was it RVABABY or baby_Claire? Both asked me for upfront for M&G. I said no but was considering.[/QUOTE]Yes it was Baby_cliare and also babyharmony, I made the attempt with baby cliare and cancelled it since sha said no chance of intimate meet. Babyharmony sent so many signals and was willing to go all the way after M&G, where I ended up payng her 100, and set up the next day, and she backed out at the last minute. We had some really sexy texts exchanged few times after the M&G so I was pretty confident she was ok with it. She did mention both her parents or well off, so was confused on she is getting on the site looking for someone. She has really hot body and has that young attractive features. I learned my lesson no more M&G's straight to the F* session.

I did have a close one with Cirque-des-reves, we had lunch and agreed to for the meet, did not pay except for the lunch, did never got to meet. I think I may have offended her by suggesting that I could do mentoring to her, big mistake. She was good to look at but not so stunning as you see on the profile picture, but would'nt mind doing her at least few times. Anyone has seen her!

Good hunting!

I am wondering if anyone else agree with me that we should try to include the profile names of the SA or other site chicks we have hit, miss or any other experience we had to share with others on this forum. So we may all benefit from each other, it is not like theses chicks are being loyal to us, at least the ones that I have dealt with. I am not saying this doesn't happen with some of you but at least we would be aware of the ones we can try to avoid or not put any effort in. I am sure the response form the SB's is different towards the potential SD's but the purpose of being on these sites for SB's and SD's is no different in my opinion. I know some of you are not willing to exchange your precious finds, hey some of us might.

What say you!