"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2795809]I was wondering if anyone has found that the agreed on first date price is what the lady in question is willing to take from then on? I'm expecting upsell.

I see some that were on SA for a long time are now just on WYP. Generally speaking not worth buying credits there as only a few people seem active.[/QUOTE]WYP = What's Your Price.

This is a sister site to Seeking Arrangement and often does cross promotions. It is the worst thing to happen to SB-ing.

WYP is imho a complete waste of time and resources; You have "pay" upfront just to unlock communications with a girl, then to find out she has GPS (golden pussy syndrome) or refuses to play. Why pay a girl money to meet you, eat food you provide or drink drinks you pay for when you can do that for no cost with a potential SB?

If you play this game, you are marking yourself as an easy mark and expect to be rinsed by the girls. Note the strict warnings on the WYP website, something to the order of, "Sex should never be expected on a date. " The girls see that and love to string you along. In my experience, most want easy money for platonic dates, and few are willing to carry it "all the way. " so fishing here is fishing in the wrong pond.

Spend your "up front" money on a SA membership and contact some SB wannabees. You should be able to meet those girls for free. NEVER pay for an introductory Meet & Greet (M&G). Then negotiate an arrangement in person.

Oookk. If you have kept up with my story. I have been seeing my SB for about 5 mths with 2 mths of "activity". All has been good for the most part but of course some flakey moments as with virtually any SB (except my ATF but I digress). My SO and I have officially split. (not because of SB that was long in coming anyway) . I have been seeing my SB at what I will refer to as the "Batcave". My SB knows I have an SO and have been on the outs. Here is the kicker. My SB does not know my real name! My bat cave situation will only last for so much longer. I have a pretty good sense of the SB as in if I end at some point she would likely not not be a real issue. Probably just move home to TX. But I am going to have to switch to my actual home for mtgs. With that said she has expressed an interest in seeing each other more and has said it would be nice to be able to have more stay overs so that could def happen at my home. So. How or when do I approach the name thing. Or do I? We may take a trip in the next couple months so if nothing else. The name thing is going to come up either at the hotel. Airport or somewhere. And would prefer to deal with now vs then. I guess she could walk but we do get along well and she has a nice situation with regular allowance etc. Your thoughts brothers?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2799476]Oookk. If you have kept up with my story. I have been seeing my SB for about 5 mths with 2 mths of "activity". All has been good for the most part but of course some flakey moments as with virtually any SB (except my ATF but I digress). My SO and I have officially split. (not because of SB that was long in coming anyway) . I have been seeing my SB at what I will refer to as the "Batcave". My SB knows I have an SO and have been on the outs. Here is the kicker. My SB does not know my real name! My bat cave situation will only last for so much longer. I have a pretty good sense of the SB as in if I end at some point she would likely not not be a real issue. Probably just move home to TX. But I am going to have to switch to my actual home for mtgs. With that said she has expressed an interest in seeing each other more and has said it would be nice to be able to have more stay overs so that could def happen at my home. So. How or when do I approach the name thing. Or do I? We may take a trip in the next couple months so if nothing else. The name thing is going to come up either at the hotel. Airport or somewhere. And would prefer to deal with now vs then. I guess she could walk but we do get along well and she has a nice situation with regular allowance etc. Your thoughts brothers?[/QUOTE]The whole thing is --can you trust her not to interfere with your Divorce process? Also be careful insinuating her into your real life. She will have access to your private papers at home and may get overly attached.

So why upset the apple cart? If you think she is not a nosey girl (yeah -right!) then don't bring it up, but realize she might want to have more investment in your life without SO around. You might consider keeping the SO presence "alive" in her mind so you can have an excuse to keep the secret life going.

Good thoughts. My SO and I were not married but lived together for about 5 years. She is out now. I keep private papers locked in an office so minimal there. But my bat cave situation is coming to an end too and she will not be an afternoon hotel girl. As she sees us as dating. You may not of read my story but this girl was hand picked and had not investigated the SB life. I just charmed her. LOL into dating an older guy and explained some of the benefits. Plus if we travel. Its going to come out. Like when the the TSA agent at the gate looks at me and says how are you today mr"Sugar Daddy" are you traveling with your daughter today Ms "sugar baby" Hahahah,. So it will come up.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2799540]The whole thing is --can you trust her not to interfere with your Divorce process? Also be careful insinuating her into your real life. She will have access to your private papers at home and may get overly attached.

So why upset the apple cart? If you think she is not a nosey girl (yeah -right!) then don't bring it up, but realize she might want to have more investment in your life without SO around. You might consider keeping the SO presence "alive" in her mind so you can have an excuse to keep the secret life going.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2799568]Good thoughts. My SO and I were not married but lived together for about 5 years. She is out now. I keep private papers locked in an office so minimal there. But my bat cave situation is coming to an end too and she will not be an afternoon hotel girl. As she sees us as dating. You may not of read my story but this girl was hand picked and had not investigated the SB life. I just charmed her. LOL into dating an older guy and explained some of the benefits. Plus if we travel. Its going to come out. Like when the the TSA agent at the gate looks at me and says how are you today mr"Sugar Daddy" are you traveling with your daughter today Ms "sugar baby" Hahahah,. So it will come up.[/QUOTE]In reading your responses, I think you have the answer already. The fact that you appear to be concerned about her knowing your name speaks volumes. Either that is a concern or it isn't? You decide. No one on this board knows your situation as well as you do.

So some food for thought: Does she want to take the relationship to the next level? Might she be angling to move in? What are the implications in the neighborhood of the SB doing sleep overs? What ways could she damage your reputation in the community or professionally if everything with her goes south and ends up in a bunch of drama? What are her feelings toward you? Are they headed for wanting a relationship? Does she want or dream of kids?

Basically, what are all of the scenarios that could happen? You have to be able to see the 30,000-ft level and all of the possibilities in order to evaluate the risks of any action. Don't be guided by the little head and the excitement of the possibilities of many nights of overnights. That little guy can be responsible for more "bad thinking" and trouble in the long-run.

Then perhaps one needs a long session with the dude in the mirror. What are your feelings for this girl? How vulnerable are you from the recent split with the SO? Have you been using the SB as an emotional crutch as the SO situation has faded? Is she a replacement for the SO?

I think if you do enough wandering around the forest of your situation, you'll find you know the answer.

Good luck! Enjoy the play!

In short. Do I foresee something very LT. No. I do not believe she does either. She has one child and has been clear no others will come from her vagina. LOL. I also belief she has longer term plans for life that would not be best suited with me. I am almost 30 yrs older and believe the same. But we are both at a point where this situation serves us well. Enjoy each others company and there is some connection. . as this will likely occur for me with her. Being single. And my just broken relationship was not a marriage. Not much to hold over my head. I have watched. / known of her for a couple of years. Met her back then. Though she did not really know me. Watched her FB over time and have never seen any demonstrated behavior of crazy ***** shit. . that is a rarity amount girls in her age range. She tends to keep her private info just that. Private. Not a bunch of FB bullshit postings etc.

With that said I guess my question should of been. Have any other brothers broken their alias to their SB and if so how did it go and how did you present the info?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2800792]In reading your responses, I think you have the answer already. The fact that you appear to be concerned about her knowing your name speaks volumes. Either that is a concern or it isn't? You decide. No one on this board knows your situation as well as you do.

So some food for thought: Does she want to take the relationship to the next level? Might she be angling to move in? What are the implications in the neighborhood of the SB doing sleep overs? What ways could she damage your reputation in the community or professionally if everything with her goes south and ends up in a bunch of drama? What are her feelings toward you? Are they headed for wanting a relationship? Does she want or dream of kids?

Basically, what are all of the scenarios that could happen? You have to be able to see the 30,000-ft level and all of the possibilities in order to evaluate the risks of any action. Don't be guided by the little head and the excitement of the possibilities of many nights of overnights. That little guy can be responsible for more "bad thinking" and trouble in the long-run.

Then perhaps one needs a long session with the dude in the mirror. What are your feelings for this girl? How vulnerable are you from the recent split with the SO? Have you been using the SB as an emotional crutch as the SO situation has faded? Is she a replacement for the SO?

I think if you do enough wandering around the forest of your situation, you'll find you know the answer.

Good luck! Enjoy the play![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2800901]...
With that said I guess my question should of been. Have any other brothers broken their alias to their SB and if so how did it go and how did you present the info?[/QUOTE]So what is the downside to her knowing your real identity? Of course there are the risks that Cephalopod pointed out but in this day and age who cares about someone's personal stuff unless they are a politician or a public figure.

The aforementioned risks exist even in a civvy dating situation.

You are correct. There really are not any risks. My question is has anyone here done the same. Eventually tell their SB their real name at some point. If so how did you approach this. What was their reaction. She may freak and leave which would suck but I can get another. I just have a type I like and its narrow. She fits the bill well. For now anyway. LOL.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2801011]So what is the downside to her knowing your real identity? Of course there are the risks that Cephalopod pointed out but in this day and age who cares about someone's personal stuff unless they are a politician or a public figure.

The aforementioned risks exist even in a civvy dating situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2801042]You are correct. There really are not any risks. My question is has anyone here done the same. Eventually tell their SB their real name at some point. If so how did you approach this. What was their reaction. She may freak and leave which would suck but I can get another. I just have a type I like and its narrow. She fits the bill well. For now anyway. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, confiding in her about the real you will be affirming for her. You can tell her that you have grown to trust her and want to share more about yourself. She will love it.

I did it with my #1 SB and she didn't seem to care one way or another. She was concerned about me intruding on her peer group. She loved me in private but at 40 yrs age difference she didn't want me showing up around her peer or family radar either. Can you imagine a 20 yr old bringing home a 60 yr old "BF" ? Creepy!

So I'm 58 and been taking Cialis at 10 mg a couple of years in advance of my dates. I need it to get rock hard only as getting an erection is no problem. Works fine but my latest SB is into very extended foreplay for upwards of an hour. Here lately by the time she is finally ready for me to put it in, my little guy has lost his edge and the last time despite her sucking on it, it never got hard enough for me to do it. I ended up cumming in her mouth and it didn't really get hard until about 10 seconds before I shot my load.

I'm guessing at some point a blood engorged penis needs a rest. Anyone else have problems with keeping it hard for a long time when taking ED pills? A few hours later and into the next day, no problem getting hard erections.

Perfect. And a good thought. I did not consider her thinking positively about the revealing. She has been aware of my break up situation and knows that the SO is moving out (SO has already but I was buying time). We were out recently and she actually wanted to go by a place where one of her friends works for a drink.. we went but she was not there.. so she really does not seem to have a stigma about our age difference.. even though I am salt n pepper I am in good physical condition so that helps I guess.. we will see where it all goes!.. well we all know it will be an eventual ending.. but enjoy the time till then!

Good thoughts!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2801102]Actually, confiding in her about the real you will be affirming for her. You can tell her that you have grown to trust her and want to share more about yourself. She will love it.

I did it with my #1 SB and she didn't seem to care one way or another. She was concerned about me intruding on her peer group. She loved me in private but at 40 yrs age difference she didn't want me showing up around her peer or family radar either. Can you imagine a 20 yr old bringing home a 60 yr old "BF" ? Creepy![/QUOTE]

After about 1. 5 years with my number 1, I opened up. Over dinner had a nice discussion about trust and connection, honesty, feeling bad. Anyway, told her all, first, last, location, all. Things still going strong over 2 years now. Closer. She does bring it up though, in fun, but not forgotten! You have been with her long enough to know what approach to use.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2802440]Perfect. And a good thought. I did not consider her thinking positively about the revealing. She has been aware of my break up situation and knows that the SO is moving out (SO has already but I was buying time). We were out recently and she actually wanted to go by a place where one of her friends works for a drink.. we went but she was not there.. so she really does not seem to have a stigma about our age difference.. even though I am salt n pepper I am in good physical condition so that helps I guess.. we will see where it all goes!.. well we all know it will be an eventual ending.. but enjoy the time till then!

Good thoughts![/QUOTE]

I would NEVER pretend to know what was best to say or attempt to enter the mind of a woman. LOL. But yeah. I think that may happen in a positive way.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2802470]After about 1. 5 years with my number 1, I opened up. Over dinner had a nice discussion about trust and connection, honesty, feeling bad. Anyway, told her all, first, last, location, all. Things still going strong over 2 years now. Closer. She does bring it up though, in fun, but not forgotten! You have been with her long enough to know what approach to use.[/QUOTE]

LM, clear some space in your mailbox, ill share a bit with ya. Won't on the open forum, wouldn't want my babies connecting to my handle or my game!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2802680]I would NEVER pretend to know what was best to say or attempt to enter the mind of a woman. LOL. But yeah. I think that may happen in a positive way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2802069]So I'm 58 and been taking Cialis at 10 mg a couple of years in advance of my dates. I need it to get rock hard only as getting an erection is no problem. Works fine but my latest SB is into very extended foreplay for upwards of an hour. Here lately by the time she is finally ready for me to put it in, my little guy has lost his edge and the last time despite her sucking on it, it never got hard enough for me to do it. I ended up cumming in her mouth and it didn't really get hard until about 10 seconds before I shot my load.

I'm guessing at some point a blood engorged penis needs a rest. Anyone else have problems with keeping it hard for a long time when taking ED pills? A few hours later and into the next day, no problem getting hard erections.[/QUOTE]You might try taking some the night before to allow it to get into your system. And the some again before your date. Also, exercise the day of the date may help.