"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Absolutely works, that's all part of the approach. Many will try to ask up front for the amount, I avoid at all costs. Or give a very big range with a lot of conditions, the babys living conditions how we interact how often we can meet excetera. It works very well, once they find you are a nice guy, and absolutely you must be, they will open up to you. I have had only one situation where it went to the FC, and she was not happy with the amount. Come to find out she was a bit off, a cutter, marks up and down both arms with phyc issues, so I'll chalk that one up to experience! I suggest you go back and read through some of the earlier postings, you will learn a lot.

[QUOTE=Alexandria2016;2779883]Interesting approach. Has it been successful for you? I haven't tried this yet but may give it a shot.[/QUOTE]

You guys are probably going to think I'm crazy, but check this out.

Was chatting with a hot blonde with super athletic body in another city. First-year med student. Based on her email address, I was able to verify her true identity and that she was who she said she was. Facebook page, LinkedIn profile, University records the whole works. Super legit, and clearly with something to lose. Her expectations were "moderate" so I was thinking in the $700 range for an all nighter.

Was supposed to meet her a couple months back on a business trip but it got canceled at the last minute, so I had to bail on her even though she had rearranged her school schedule for an overnight.

Felt bad about the cancellation, so she gave me her address and I sent her the consolation prize package. Best part was, it only cost me beers since it was a bunch of sample and discontinued beauty and cosmetic items from my buddies distributorship. Retail value was over 300 bucks. Even sent her a catnip toy for her new kitten. She was totally floored. More messaging about the fun we would've had and I suggested I should've sent her a toy to hold the river until we can actually meet. She said send away! Hundred and 20 bucks later on Adam and Eve, and she has a different kind of consolation prize.

Next thing I know, she start emailing me some pictures and short videos of her enjoying herself, and fine Cinemax style. Nothing too explicit, but very hot and abundantly clear.

I suggest a costume change an email or her a gift card for Victoria's Secret. She gets a few new outfits, and more photo and video fashion shows.

At this point I'm in for less than $300 out-of-pocket.

We finally met last week, and it was fucking wild. Barely made it through cocktails before retreating to my room, for an all-night all access, toys included lingerie show and fuck fest. She even worker white lab coat with stilettos and nothing else. Must have gone at it 4 or 5 times. She left and went to class, then called me at lunch time saying she had two hours free and came back to my room and blew me senseless. Slept the whole train ride home that night, but if I stayed in town, she made it clear she was happy to do so for a repeat performance.

Didn't give her a single dime. I guess spoiling her in advance rang so high on the trust meter that she just gave herself over to me. Probably not a high percentage strategy, but it certainly paid off this time.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2783975]You guys are probably going to think I'm crazy, but check this out.

Was chatting with a hot blonde with super athletic body in another city. First-year med student. Based on her email address, I was able to verify her true identity and that she was who she said she was. Facebook page, LinkedIn profile, University records the whole works. Super legit, and clearly with something to lose. Her expectations were "moderate" so I was thinking in the $700 range for an all nighter.

Was supposed to meet her a couple months back on a business trip but it got canceled at the last minute, so I had to bail on her even though she had rearranged her school schedule for an overnight.

Felt bad about the cancellation, so she gave me her address and I sent her the consolation prize package. Best part was, it only cost me beers since it was a bunch of sample and discontinued beauty and cosmetic items from my buddies distributorship. Retail value was over 300 bucks. Even sent her a catnip toy for her new kitten. She was totally floored. More messaging about the fun we would've had and I suggested I should've sent her a toy to hold the river until we can actually meet. She said send away! Hundred and 20 bucks later on Adam and Eve, and she has a different kind of consolation prize.

Next thing I know, she start emailing me some pictures and short videos of her enjoying herself, and fine Cinemax style. Nothing too explicit, but very hot and abundantly clear.

I suggest a costume change an email or her a gift card for Victoria's Secret. She gets a few new outfits, and more photo and video fashion shows.

At this point I'm in for less than $300 out-of-pocket.

We finally met last week, and it was fucking wild. Barely made it through cocktails before retreating to my room, for an all-night all access, toys included lingerie show and fuck fest. She even worker white lab coat with stilettos and nothing else. Must have gone at it 4 or 5 times. She left and went to class, then called me at lunch time saying she had two hours free and came back to my room and blew me senseless. Slept the whole train ride home that night, but if I stayed in town, she made it clear she was happy to do so for a repeat performance.

Didn't give her a single dime. I guess spoiling her in advance rang so high on the trust meter that she just gave herself over to me. Probably not a high percentage strategy, but it certainly paid off this time.[/QUOTE]Wow- that story was awesome! I thought for sure you were going to get taken from the way it started. I used to go to a massage place back in the 90's where the American gals were hot and wore those white lab coats.

[QUOTE=Kellster;2784951]Wow- that story was awesome! I thought for sure you were going to get taken from the way it started. [/QUOTE]Once I was able to verify that she was a Med Student at a real school (NOT Greneda!) I knew she knew she had a lot to lose. I just did not know how long it would take before I could cash in. Can't get in too deep as I rarely overnight anywhere for two nights!

Currently have the same thing going with a 23 yo blonde congressional aide for when I finally get up to DC. Of course, I am ruining them for the SDs they meet for coffee who think a M&G is the time to tell them their fetish fantasies for their arrangement!

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2785290]Once I was able to verify that she was a Med Student at a real school (NOT Greneda!) I knew she knew she had a lot to lose. I just did not know how long it would take before I could cash in. Can't get in too deep as I rarely overnight anywhere for two nights!

Currently have the same thing going with a 23 yo blonde congressional aide for when I finally get up to DC. Of course, I am ruining them for the SDs they meet for coffee who think a M&G is the time to tell them their fetish fantasies for their arrangement![/QUOTE]Good job Archer -you are a Playa! In the scheme of things you are using a Sugar site to date IRL. I forget but I suspect you are younger (under 40)? Girls are more apt to see guys as an IRL dating situation if the SD is under 15 yrs age difference. Having access to free gifts is awesome too since it is no skin off your butt.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2783672]Absolutely works, that's all part of the approach. Many will try to ask up front for the amount, I avoid at all costs. Or give a very big range with a lot of conditions, the babys living conditions how we interact how often we can meet excetera. It works very well, once they find you are a nice guy, and absolutely you must be, they will open up to you. I have had only one situation where it went to the FC, and she was not happy with the amount. Come to find out she was a bit off, a cutter, marks up and down both arms with phyc issues, so I'll chalk that one up to experience! I suggest you go back and read through some of the earlier postings, you will learn a lot.[/QUOTE]DC / VA newbie reporting back. Thanks gents for the advice. It is spot on. For the last few girls I communicated with through SA, I made no mention of money or evaded the question with a counterargument. Works pretty well and somehow seems to make them eager to meet sooner. Did this with a cute AA college girl and had a very positive m&g yesterday. She suggested herself that I book a hotel room for us for our next meeting. Now if only I can get our schedules to line up.

A question: I heard back from a cute petite white girl. She wants to meet and money hasn't been discussed yet. After some sleuthing I find out she is a former suicide girl, webcam girl, does nude modeling etc. I have no experience with someone like her. Worth meeting or will she be potentially crazy and / or high maintenance?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2785306]Good job Archer -you are a Playa! In the scheme of things you are using a Sugar site to date IRL. I forget but I suspect you are younger (under 40)? Girls are more apt to see guys as an IRL dating situation if the SD is under 15 yrs age difference. Having access to free gifts is awesome too since it is no skin off your butt.[/QUOTE]I'm married and over 50. I've had luck with 23 - 45 but always the same MO, though the pre-pay gambit is relatively new.

Definitely treat it like dating, and the SBs go for that.

"Sure Thing" dating is more like it!

I'm over 50 (barely) and currently dating a former SB that is 30+ years my junior. I'm divorced, so I have a significant advantage.

Many girls are tired of the younger guys that not established, insecure, jealous and selfish.

If you stay in good shape, are established, confident, not jealous and unselfish many women will be attracted to you.

This is now my 3rd SB that has transitioned to a girlfriend. It is clearly to my advantage that I am unable to make a commitment which somehow women find attractive.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2785524]I'm married and over 50. I've had luck with 23 - 45 but always the same MO, though the pre-pay gambit is relatively new.

Definitely treat it like dating, and the SBs go for that.

"Sure Thing" dating is more like it![/QUOTE]

LOL, I can't speak to your latest find, but I can to crazies in general. The cutter, I had some feeling at the mg, so the fc meeting (at her place), I took extra precautions. Got there early to scout out the place, parked down the street, brought nothing extra with me (car key, not the remote, covers, cash and a knife, that's it). I partially hid the cash under her purse when I left (amount on the upper end of my scale and I'm generous). After I leave, phone blows up! I didn't worry a bit knowing she had nothing on me. Other young lady friend was very pretty, at times very sweet and loving, at times just the opposite. I picked up on this from the first mg, but her good qualities brought me back for several tries. FC was fun, very good in fact, but personality was whacked (multiple maybe? I saw her a few times to see if things could improve but they didn't so I moved on. She blows my phone up with 30 or 40 texts in a row! No biggie, she had nothing on me. I kept glove box locked, nothing personal out in open. Protect yourself and its fine, key is being in control and aware. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Alexandria2016;2785465]DC / VA newbie reporting back. Thanks gents for the advice. It is spot on. For the last few girls I communicated with through SA, I made no mention of money or evaded the question with a counterargument. Works pretty well and somehow seems to make them eager to meet sooner. Did this with a cute AA college girl and had a very positive m&g yesterday. She suggested herself that I book a hotel room for us for our next meeting. Now if only I can get our schedules to line up.

A question: I heard back from a cute petite white girl. She wants to meet and money hasn't been discussed yet. After some sleuthing I find out she is a former suicide girl, webcam girl, does nude modeling etc. I have no experience with someone like her. Worth meeting or will she be potentially crazy and / or high maintenance?[/QUOTE]

Well gents, for the first time the 5 step approach has failed me. Actually got a legit hit on a CL ad I posted, 29 why / o SB want to be, seemed very new to it all. I used the 5 step approach and the answer I get back is "too complicated". WTF? So, I have moved on immediately to the next one. I figure if she thinks that is too complicated, then she is going to be a problem down the road. Never did get a pic from her so I have convinced myself she wasn't all that hot. NEXT!

Likely not a baby on CL, more along the line of utr. That's why she blew off the 5 step, she wasn't into the emotional connection, just the cash.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2786719]Well gents, for the first time the 5 step approach has failed me. Actually got a legit hit on a CL ad I posted, 29 why / o SB want to be, seemed very new to it all. I used the 5 step approach and the answer I get back is "too complicated". WTF? So, I have moved on immediately to the next one. I figure if she thinks that is too complicated, then she is going to be a problem down the road. Never did get a pic from her so I have convinced myself she wasn't all that hot. NEXT![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2786725]Likely not a baby on CL, more along the line of utr. That's why she blew off the 5 step, she wasn't into the emotional connection, just the cash.[/QUOTE]Likely not a baby -I agree. In my experience girls working on CL and BP are very difficult to transition to a true SB. Once they ride the cock carousel they can't go back. That is, unless you don't see any difference between an SB and an escort- that they are one and the same.

MY interpretation of a Sugar Baby -is that she is a low (er) volume girl who limits her activities to her Sugar Daddy as more of a girl friend experience. Sex is usually involved but doesn't have to be. Sugar dates tend to be for hours and possibly days at a time. She tends not to see multiple men at an hourly / fractional rate as in the Escort world. The line can be blurred for sure.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2786507]LOL, I can't speak to your latest find, but I can to crazies in general. The cutter, I had some feeling at the mg, so the fc meeting (at her place), I took extra precautions. Got there early to scout out the place, parked down the street, brought nothing extra with me (car key, not the remote, covers, cash and a knife, that's it). I partially hid the cash under her purse when I left (amount on the upper end of my scale and I'm generous). After I leave, phone blows up! I didn't worry a bit knowing she had nothing on me. Other young lady friend was very pretty, at times very sweet and loving, at times just the opposite. I picked up on this from the first mg, but her good qualities brought me back for several tries. FC was fun, very good in fact, but personality was whacked (multiple maybe? I saw her a few times to see if things could improve but they didn't so I moved on. She blows my phone up with 30 or 40 texts in a row! No biggie, she had nothing on me. I kept glove box locked, nothing personal out in open. Protect yourself and its fine, key is being in control and aware. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Good story, thanks for sharing. So I texted this white ex-suicide girl I mentioned in my previous post. She is certifiable bonkers. In her first text she sends me a nude photo (she's a nude model) and we go back and forth a bit. A few days later I text her again and casually mention her SA profile photos look different from the nude pic she sent me, probably due to her being a model with different make-up, hair etc depending on the photos.

She then goes absolutely crazy, denying she ever sent me a nude photo. And when I described the photo in specific detail, she texted the same photo to me again. WTF?

Thankfully I text these SA girls a lot before deciding to meet them, you can really tell a lot about their personalities by their texting style and frequency. Anyway as some much more experienced board member said, NEXT!

The key things that distinguish a SB for me is the expectation that there will be attraction and genuine affection.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2788869]The key things that distinguish a SB for me is the expectation that there will be attraction and genuine affection.[/QUOTE]The attraction and genuine affection is there because your paying them. Now take away the arrangement and if they still want to see you then you have something. Remove the sugar and see where the genuine affection goes.