[QUOTE=Benz1;4063521]I always see her in her sweat pants and slippers, had lunch with her yesterday. No make up for me LOL.
I told her we needed some recent pics. So here you go.[/QUOTE]She is a looker. Does she provide massage or Escort? Or, both?
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[QUOTE=Benz1;4063521]I always see her in her sweat pants and slippers, had lunch with her yesterday. No make up for me LOL.
I told her we needed some recent pics. So here you go.[/QUOTE]She is a looker. Does she provide massage or Escort? Or, both?
[QUOTE=AmanteMI;4063743]She is a looker. Does she provide massage or Escort? Or, both?[/QUOTE]Not just a looker, She's very sweet and unique.
Your mileage may very depending on on hygiene and charm.
She's a Lesbian, needs some extra money for the holidays. She does this every Christmas season. Then Poof disappears.
She's a personal friend, we have lunch about once a week. She prefers staying safe by seeing Frenz of Benz.
Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?
[QUOTE=OrallVrForU;4062062]This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4065639]Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?[/QUOTE]Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4065639]Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?[/QUOTE]Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.
These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=OrallVrForU;4065817]Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.[/QUOTE]
Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.
[QUOTE=LoveTheLips;4067810]Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.[/QUOTE]Use incognito chrome browser. I have this happen when I am using my browser on my smartphone. Incognito chrome never fails.
Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks!
[QUOTE=BPP616;4070754]Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks![/QUOTE]
If I was new, the first place I would want to go is Kandiland
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4063055]I am a third shifter looking for a reliable provider who is up and answers her phone around 630 am if anyway can help with suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I've texted and called a few and I never get any responses. Grand Rapids and north.[/QUOTE]I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.
Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.
[QUOTE=TeddBear;4070959]I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4067494]These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]Found one more. What a beauty. And on fire.
[QUOTE]This review of Wynter aligns with many of the others we have seen on her. Will be interesting to see if she makes it up to Johnsolo as she has promised.[/QUOTE]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4075883]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.[/QUOTE]All good points and I totally agree. IMO probably most of the mongers on this forum agree too.
I have a long time friend that asked me a few questions back in 2014, he was surprised I had a lot of answers. I told him about usasexguide and he would read it off my phone but would never log in on his own phone, he didn't want any tracking for his S. O. To detect using his phone.
I told him to Check out a hooker I liked, I even dropped him off at the hotel and picked him up too. He was very paranoid about seeing hookers. I told him it's a lot better deal than the Massage parlors.
He would never see a hooker again but will go to a Massage Parlor. He asked me which ones had the most secluded parking. I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.
I believe there are a lot of guys just like him, If you look at the stats on the front page you will see that we as members are the minority of users and posting members or senior members are probably a lot fewer than the lurkers or as usaseguide calls them "guests" Example of the stats on a Saturday night at 7:07 pm.
Currently Active Users (This is Nation Wide).
There are currently 1402 users online. 323 members and 1079 guests.
Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.
Benz1 GdEnough DaddyForYou Dubberman SilverDawg Buzz442.
Looks like there might be 3 kinds of mongers.
1. those like my friend that will go to a massage Parlor once a month and blow a wad.
2. Lurkers and members trying to find a good time with an occasional hooker, hoping we sort them out for them.
3. Members that frequently monger and have learned to navigate and negotiate what we want.
If my good man Charlie 441 would do the city stats of how many men are living in the greater Grand Rapids area, the probability of how many of them are mongers (not members) and Mongers like my friend that will blow GPS money on the same girl once a month.
When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.
I can appreciate the ones that admit they have not always been good providers and try to change based on our opinions, they might not have to care what we say. Because there might be enough men in this city who want to see them naked and willing to pay the gps price.
It's also possible that Hayley could perch Wynter in the lobby flirting with the Lurkers while Hayley makes plenty of money selling her great coffee and other beverages to the Lurkers. Bars do it all the time Hot Bartender means more sales.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4075883]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.[/QUOTE]Nice to see that many of you understand the point I was making. I appreciate the girls that offer a service that is inline with the rates they charge and also reward them with a nice tip. I just get tired of hearing the complaints and stories of rushed service, time shorting, blah attitude etc. I for one would love to visit Wynter as she is my type for sure, but if I had the experience with my visit as JohnSolo had I would have walked out of there with regret and feeling ripped off. Kudos to the girls that give good service at a fair rate and appreciate building repeat clientle.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4076036]I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.[/QUOTE]Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
[QUOTE]When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.[/QUOTE]I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.
I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?
[QUOTE=Naughty12;4077520]I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?[/QUOTE]Sounds fun.
I've been there a few times, trying to line up a good dream.
The provider will be a lot pickier about a female date than a Male date. The Lesbian or Bi girls know that the date will need to be full GFE for the girl or it's not really a date.
When the provider sees us and she is not really in the mood or doesn't like our breath or cologne they can just say RCG or K9 is my favorite position. Get us off and the deal is done we don't even know if she enjoys the session.
When she says yes to your 3 sum she needs to be a really good actress, if she doesn't like the looks, kiss or taste of the other girls pussy.
Plus she knows you have less options for this event so her special kind of acting is going to be a higher price.
Sometimes you can set the stage and see how it goes and hope for the best.
A couple years ago I set up a perfect arrangement with Kandi by offering her a free 4 handed full body massage with my favorite masseuse. We brought a massage table to the Kandiland hotel gave her a full hour 4 handed massage and we were rewarded with her wonderful response as no other provider except Kandi could give.
That was on or about February 14, I told Kandi it was going to be a Valentine's gift from me. It was a great day for all.
Happy hunting Naughty12.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4077178]Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.
Let your Lady pick the girl for the 3 sum. Someone that she is attracted to and feels comfortable with. If you don't, and you pick the girl, it's a 99% chance the whole thing will be a shit show. So much so, that your Lady will no longer want to see you either! You were warned! Take the free, experienced advice.
NJ.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4077956]I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.[/QUOTE]So glad that me and the guys were able to play a small part in the playtime with Wynter😀! I have faith that of anyone, Benz will surely be able to talk things out and get her polished up to be a reasonably priced and good provider to go along with that great ass, it does look yummy!!
[QUOTE=Naughty12;4077520]I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?[/QUOTE]My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck!
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4071083]Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.[/QUOTE]Grizzly I provide morning services if you need assistance in the mornings let me know please message me here.
Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?
[QUOTE=Aman200;4078190]My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck![/QUOTE]I normally post out of BC and Kalamazoo. I had a similar situation about a decade or so back. I had a girlfriend that was bi and we had luck at bars. My girlfriend was insanely hot (way out of my league) and she would just approach other hot girls at the bar and strike up a conversation or approach them on the dance floor and start dancing with them. I always found it was easier for her to seal the deal. When I tried I was a perv, but when she did it it almost always worked. It was awesome for me, as I got to have the occasional 3 way with two hot girls. I eventually had to move on because she started doing heavy drugs.
One thing I would suggest is having ground rules before going in. My ex GF had two rules, I could not do DATY or Greek on the other girl.
[QUOTE=White300;4080901]Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Given this one many a time without complaint. Most common response is positive on the power.
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So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?
[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082584]So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?[/QUOTE]Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.
[QUOTE=Pete3854;4082608]Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.[/QUOTE]And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Opui812;4082638]And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.[/QUOTE] I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on [URL]www.usaadultclassifieds.nl[/URL] Most can be contacted through USA Pm.
Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.
[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082584]So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger01;4082740]Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.[/QUOTE]Mine is a ZTE smart TracFone from Dollar general.
Comes with FB already loaded
It has enough room to load talk text apps on it too. Convenient for free WiFi communication and negotiation with a provider you plan to call using your real hobby phone number offering her 10 more than the terrible offer you made with your WiFi app. They usually respond to the 10 higher. Lol
My hobby phone will not post a pic on this site
I also have a hobby Laptop at work, for storing pics and posting them on USA. Life in the hobby is good.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4082670]I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on [URL]www.usaadultclassifieds.nl[/URL] Most can be contacted through USA Pm.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.
[QUOTE=JMaul;4082783]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.[/QUOTE]Here is where a problem with that lies.
If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.
None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.
But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.
It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.
In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?
Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.
Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.
[QUOTE=HollandGuy73;4082839]Here is where a problem with that lies.
If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.
None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.
But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.
It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.
In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?
Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.
Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.[/QUOTE]My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work. After you register it and everything thing is working, throw everything away.
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.
My first HP I didn't give a name during registration, it prompt me 4 times then bypassed it and I completed the registration with no name. The 2nd phone I registered with my hobby FB name. If ever found by the wrong person it is not my phone it's Benz phone, my friend at work. He must have dropped it in the parking lot, I'll give it to him at work tomorrow.
If you have a wife I would avoid the phone apps. Even if you uninstall the phone app each time there is a history of uninstalled apps with Android phones via Google Play(not sure about Apple). I assume a wife would have access to that. Not sure if you can delete that history. Just too much could go wrong with phone apps and married dudes. Burner phone is the way to go but if your wife ever finds it you will have lots of splainin to do lucy.
If you are not married a phone app is fine. That is what I use. But something to keep in mind is that phone apps are tied to your actual phone number. If a serious crime occurred the phone app company could be presented with a subpoena to give up the actual phone number. Maybe the provider you saw was murdered (god forbid) or involved with some sort of terrorism. In either of those cases they will want to know who is behind every phone number found on her phone. These are some extreme cases and not likely. But just showing there is some risk with burner apps.
For the most paranoid among us the safest method is a burner phone that is paid for with cash and the minutes are paid for with cash. Better to buy these at a gas station than say a meijer as the gas station is likely to not keep their security video as long as a meijers (Benz mentioned buying his phone at dollar general, that would be a good place to buy a phone). And make sure location is turned off on the phone. To take it a step further make sure the phone is turned off when not in use. Only turn it on when you are setting up an appointment with a provider. Better yet, if possible, pull the battery when not using the phone. Again, this is only for the most paranoid.
If you want to take your paranoia beyond the phone, get yourself a VPN. I use one. They are cheap.
[QUOTE=JMaul;4082783]Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.[/QUOTE]
I tried a phone app on my real phone for about 2 sec. When it asked to allow access to my data and files. Dumped it fast.
I put a phone app on my burner phone and don't mind it accessing file and data info from my burner phone.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4082949]My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work........
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.....[/QUOTE]My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.
Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?
[QUOTE=TokyoDawson;4083589]My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.
Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?[/QUOTE]Yes, TracFone.
Pick the card off the rack that has about 6 multiple options one is a text for 5 bucks 1000 texts. Bring it to the cashier , they scan the option you want. You have tohave an active phone for it to work. To keep it active I buy a 20 dollar data card every 3 months allows talk minutes and data too.
I recently bought the latest upgrade for tracfone smart phone. The last one sucked. It was 29 plus buy the card for 20 now I have data talk and text. Can buy more text at 5 bucks for 1k texts at speedway.
When you upgrade the phone it will transfer all info including your existing talk time text and data to the new phone using the same number. Easy service up. Nice phone