The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=GentleGiant78;5735505]I've been chatting with Alexobunny and I've come to the conclusion that she's either a ton of fun or totally mental. Have any of you had the pleasure of meeting her in person or better yet taking her to the FC? I'd love to know what I'm walking into ahead of time LOL. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather keep it private.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6b0c20e9-0488-4471-9bd0-0438eacc9943[/URL][/QUOTE]I haven't been able to get her to engage, so your doing better than me. If pics are real she's worth the effort & at least a M&G.

Unpaid of course!

Any details on this one. Sounds open to some fun but old reviews on here are sketchy. Feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=OutWestGuy;5750198]Any details on this one. Sounds open to some fun but old reviews on here are sketchy. Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]It helps to add a link or pic. Name sounds familiar. I may have met her about a year ago. I think we met during the first year of COVID. OI will not see her again.

HumbleEmpath Seems to only want to sell pics.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6981412e-11d2-4e4b-a708-e3d0baae3f3c[/URL]

[QUOTE=OutWestGuy;5750198]Any details on this one. Sounds open to some fun but old reviews on here are sketchy. Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]Saw her about a year ago. Said she was moving and is back now. Not sure I'd go again. But your mileage may vary.

Is anyone else immediately turned off by 'Spoil Me' and 'My Wishlist is the best way to get a response' verbiage on some SB profiles?

It gives me the impression that she's less concerned about meeting the right person she can form and arrangement with, but instead she's just on the site to get stuff for little or nothing in return.

Maybe it's just me.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5760268]Is anyone else immediately turned off by 'Spoil Me' and 'My Wishlist is the best way to get a response' verbiage on some SB profiles?

It gives me the impression that she's less concerned about meeting the right person she can form and arrangement with, but instead she's just on the site to get stuff for little or nothing in return.

Maybe it's just me.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. Pisses me off that some of these chicks use their profiles as a free online store.

What pisses me off even more is if any idiots out there that actually send them gifts.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5760268]Is anyone else immediately turned off by 'Spoil Me' and 'My Wishlist is the best way to get a response' verbiage on some SB profiles?

It gives me the impression that she's less concerned about meeting the right person she can form and arrangement with, but instead she's just on the site to get stuff for little or nothing in return.

Maybe it's just me.[/QUOTE]For sure, and as someone else pointed out, when they've spent hours making a 50+ item wishlist. One the other day had that plus demanding money for M&G -- I just immediately hid the profile.

[QUOTE=Velasco;5735950]County health departments across NC, and probably across the entire country, offer free testing and treatment. I have randomly gone for testing a few times as an adult, especially when I'm getting into an exclusive relationship with a potential wife / gf. You can get results by phone within a day or two for stuff like syphilis and gonorrhea. However, they ask for an in person return if you choose to get tested for HIV.

It is 2021, how is it that people still don't know this.[/QUOTE]So I get tested at least once a year at anylabtestnow and it cost me about $ 300+ for a full panel. I always include HIV just because you never know. How does this work at health departments?

What does it cost? I need discretion more that the savings.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5760268]Is anyone else immediately turned off by 'Spoil Me' and 'My Wishlist is the best way to get a response' verbiage on some SB profiles?

It gives me the impression that she's less concerned about meeting the right person she can form and arrangement with, but instead she's just on the site to get stuff for little or nothing in return.

Maybe it's just me.[/QUOTE]Nope, it's not just you. Huge turn off and a hard pass when I see that. These SB sites just give an already entitled chick an avenue to take it to the next level. I would hope that guys aren't just sending them stuff just for existing but I know better.

Meh, I guess I'm getting crochety but I expect to be charmed out of my resources just a little bit!.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5760362]You are 100% correct. Pisses me off that some of these chicks use their profiles as a free online store.

What pisses me off even more is if any idiots out there that actually send them gifts.[/QUOTE]Maybe the best thing to do is write the attorney generals office and say you thought you were on a dating site but girls were propositioning for money. I know it sounds evil but I hate that site and everyone on it.

She is a thief! Avoid her! She has been on SA under different profile names. She is bad news, will attempt to extort.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5760268]Is anyone else immediately turned off by 'Spoil Me' and 'My Wishlist is the best way to get a response' verbiage on some SB profiles?

It gives me the impression that she's less concerned about meeting the right person she can form and arrangement with, but instead she's just on the site to get stuff for little or nothing in return.

Maybe it's just me.[/QUOTE]Yes, it turns me off. For the reasons you mentioned, I use these statements as a way to screen them out. After all, they are as much a candidate for an arrangement as you are. I like it when they eliminate themselves from my consideration before I waste any time on them. If all I'm looking for is a really nice piece of ass, I'll just spend money for a higher tier well reviewed provider. There are plenty of them. If you are looking for something more, then that is probably a different story and these candidates have probably told you as much as you need to know.

[QUOTE=Baxter49;5761194]So I get tested at least once a year at anylabtestnow and it cost me about $ 300+ for a full panel. I always include HIV just because you never know. How does this work at health departments?

What does it cost? I need discretion more that the savings.[/QUOTE]I have been getting the full panel STI testing free since 2016 at my local county health dept, usually once or twice a year. The one time I got chlamydia they fixed me up for free as well. Hardly anyone is ever in there when I am there. In this way I can offer to show the SB my clean bill of health (I white out my name) along with my 2015 vasectomy letter.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5694365]She sent her number on my very first message to her. But now she's not texting me.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am old school but I have taken over 65 SBs to the FC since 2015, which included a 2 year exclusive and a 20 month covid break. I RARELY commit to a "number". I tell her that it depends on how much fun we have. Yeah, some disappear when I don't play the number game. IMHO that is why SA has gotten crappy. Too many escort johns coming in and treating these girls like escorts. I was an escort john back in 2014 so I know that game as well, negotiate up front and hand it over when you walk through the motel room door. Granted, it helps to do the meet and greet first and it helps to have an honest face and voice. I appreciate the input from the Raleigh brothers on this topic but a bit of history. The Raleigh SA site was a satellite offspring of the east coast granddaddy site, the Richmond SA forum. Think I'm kidding? Their forum has over 20,000 posts, Raleigh has 2000 posts. Hollywood Guy is long gone but I see that Far Far Away is still posting very valuable tips on the SB game up there in Richmond. Might help to give the lingerie ads a rest and peruse the Richmond posts every so often. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5661077]Welcome back. You should work on getting the 33% discount. Set up a dummy account with a different email address. Never pay on this dummy account, Whenever discounts are offered, you will receive the 33% discount in your email. Now login to you regular SA account. Then go back to your dummy SA email account that you're getting the 33% discount. Click on the link in the email. This will bring up 33% discount in your regular SA account. Bingo!

I get 66% discount from my dummy WYP account.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the advice, though honestly I have kept three accounts since 2015, one for premium and two back-ups (non-premium) that I can rotate over to. Comes in handy when I want to circle back around to a SB who didn't vibe well with me on the initial messaging. I use a fairly different profile approach on my "dummy" non-premium accounts to see if I get more or even different favorites coming in. Also, since 2017 I have had access to a SB's account, so I can see what competition is out there, so to speak, both in quantity and quality.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;5763959] Hollywood Guy is long gone but I see that Far Far Away is still posting very valuable tips on the SB game up there in Richmond. Might help to give the lingerie ads a rest and peruse the Richmond posts every so often. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]If we're thinking of the same 'Hollywood Guy' he hit me up with some VERY solid intel while I was out in Vegas on business last year. Also added that if I was ever in the Los Angeles area, he had additional information to share. Really good dude.

Seems like more and more SBs are asking for upfront cash transfers (CashApp, Venmo, etc) either prior to meeting up, or during the m & g, or before the fun in the FC. I have never given $ (30,50, 100, etc) up front, and don't intend to. But I am curious. Has anyone done a mobile cash transfer prior to a real live sugar date in the FC? If so, did you also go to the FC the same day as the cash transfer?.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is a FC that you keep referring to?

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;5768071]Seems like more and more SBs are asking for upfront cash transfers (CashApp, Venmo, etc) either prior to meeting up, or during the m & g, or before the fun in the FC. I have never given $ (30,50, 100, etc) up front, and don't intend to. But I am curious. Has anyone done a mobile cash transfer prior to a real live sugar date in the FC? If so, did you also go to the FC the same day as the cash transfer?.[/QUOTE]

Have any of you guys gotten anywhere with this one? Says she can host in Spring Hope. Sent a wall text of her rules and requirements including needing a selfie and a dick pic (WTF?) and she will send more pics of herself back. I called her out because there is no way in hell I'm sending that out and we actually had a good back and forth conversation. Enough so that I considered actually pursuing something with her. I mean, whoever I'm texting sounds cool. Definitely not a bot. Then she sent the list and asked for a dick pic again! Maybe it is her copy paste reply over text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7444026b-999e-4b33-8be8-2bc9c3e37e38[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bh400;5769254]Have any of you guys gotten anywhere with this one? Says she can host in Spring Hope. Sent a wall text of her rules and requirements including needing a selfie and a dick pic (WTF?) and she will send more pics of herself back. I called her out because there is no way in hell I'm sending that out and we actually had a good back and forth conversation. Enough so that I considered actually pursuing something with her. I mean, whoever I'm texting sounds cool. Definitely not a bot. Then she sent the list and asked for a dick pic again! Maybe it is her copy paste reply over text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7444026b-999e-4b33-8be8-2bc9c3e37e38[/URL][/QUOTE]What exactly is the justification for the dick pic? I've never in my life met a woman who enjoyed receiving dick pics. Not a single one.

That sounds like something that could potentially be used to blackmail someone in the future.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5769736]What exactly is the justification for the dick pic? I've never in my life met a woman who enjoyed receiving dick pics. Not a single one.

That sounds like something that could potentially be used to blackmail someone in the future.[/QUOTE]Not to mention, why would you ever send your actual dick pic?.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5769736]What exactly is the justification for the dick pic? I've never in my life met a woman who enjoyed receiving dick pics. Not a single one.

That sounds like something that could potentially be used to blackmail someone in the future.[/QUOTE]She says to judge your size, if you are serious about meeting and somehow hygiene. She did confirm her message is standard copy paste because I called it out again.

Blackmail definitely occurred to me but some of these girls want to play some weird games. I suspect this one is either an excellent scammer or the craziest fuck ever.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;5768071]Seems like more and more SBs are asking for upfront cash transfers (CashApp, Venmo, etc) either prior to meeting up, or during the m & g, or before the fun in the FC. I have never given $ (30,50, 100, etc) up front, and don't intend to. But I am curious. Has anyone done a mobile cash transfer prior to a real live sugar date in the FC? If so, did you also go to the FC the same day as the cash transfer?.[/QUOTE]I still try to do cash. Only a few times have a used 3rd party app. I rather not have digital trail or the transaction show up in my CashApp log or bank statement. But I never ever send money before meeting, that is usually a scam. Also I never transfer or give any $$$ to the end of our meeting. If a chick wants up front money sent through a third party app I just move on.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5770103]I still try to do cash. Only a few times have a used 3rd party app. I rather not have digital trail or the transaction show up in my CashApp log or bank statement. But I never ever send money before meeting, that is usually a scam. Also I never transfer or give any $$$ to the end of our meeting. If a chick wants up front money sent through a third party app I just move on.[/QUOTE]I uSed to be that way. Never send cash before meeting. But lately, I have changed that. I would send 25-50 for some pics. What has that done for me? It has helped me weed out a few that I would have met for 350-400. And I would be totally disappointed. When they send naked pics, I see things that I would normally not see with their clothes on.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;5763972]Appreciate the advice, though honestly I have kept three accounts since 2015, one for premium and two back-ups (non-premium) that I can rotate over to. Comes in handy when I want to circle back around to a SB who didn't vibe well with me on the initial messaging. I use a fairly different profile approach on my "dummy" non-premium accounts to see if I get more or even different favorites coming in. Also, since 2017 I have had access to a SB's account, so I can see what competition is out there, so to speak, both in quantity and quality.[/QUOTE]I think SA has caught on to the earlier described way I used in getting a higher discount. Now it does not work. It flags it as "I valid Promo Code ".

[QUOTE=Badger7;5768502]At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is a FC that you keep referring to?[/QUOTE]Haha. Fair enough. About 4 years ago the east coast USA SG Richmond forum (the east coast patriarch of the SA / SB / SD world) put a glossary out of the abbreviations. Fuck Closet. (hotel room, house date, car date, etc).

As I mentioned in a previous post, I don't do $ up front and I don't do cash transfers. Last week I was texting on Kik with "Rudy" who said she could host at her house in Cary. She wanted to meet the same day, but I was unable to. She then texted me for a $30 on cash app for dinner that day. First red flag. I told her I don't do $ up front or cash apps. Then two days later we arrange to meet at her house, she gives me her address and I drive over there. She starts in again on the cash app up front this time for $100. I again told her no cash app and no cash up front. I told her we could do a car date for $.2 and she said ok. I told her it would have to be cash and I sent her a pic of the two Grants and one Jackson on my car seat. Oddly she wanted nothing to do with actual cash. I get near her house and she is still playing games. I turn around and drive the twenty minutes back home. The next morning she starts in again, saying she would be okay with an apple gift card, but not cash. She sends me a very hot pic but is still playing games. Personally I am not convinced the address is actually the house she lives in. She did have a rockin bod (if that was really her LOL). I walked away but feel free to play her games if you want to.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/52ca86e4-0c36-4df5-98f4-bc76fab1bae6[/URL]

The other one I did take to the FC yesterday for a hotel date. I was her first SD back in Oct. 2018, she had just graduated college and got on SA. We did 3 sugar dates, the first one was covered the next two were bb. $$ each time. Had a good time though she was a quirky artist type. She then moved to Asheville and distance got in the way.

When I got back on SA two months ago after a 20 month covid break I saw that she was still doing the SA thing. I reached out to her a couple of weeks ago and turns out she was spending half her time in a town ten minutes from me. We set up a hotel date yesterday but it was a bit complicated. Her DL had been revoked and she was staying with very "nosy" people unaware of her SB thing. She said her "her value had gone up. She was getting 400 currently but would accept 300 from me" I negotiated to 260. She gave me the address but I decided to uber her to a location two miles away. She arrives, gets in my car and we drive to the hotel. Her quirky nature by her own admission had evolved into some mental health issues. But I figured the good times we had three years ago were enough for me to continue. Wrong. Not a good time this time. She just laid there like a zombie (she is a major pharma queen). My mistake though was not re-confirming the BB with my hard copy reports (vasectomy and STI county health reports). Long story short. Leave this one alone. She is a mess.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/76f5b997-cd29-4ffb-9e0c-1a2e069d9153[/URL]

[QUOTE=LiquidCoil;5769754]Not to mention, why would you ever send your actual dick pic?.[/QUOTE]Very true. However, I'm probably still not going to ever have even a fake one on my phone at the ready.

Anyway, I had to let this one go. Wanted 200 just for me to meet her for lunch. She would meet only at one bar which is in the same block as the Spring Hope PD. Nowhere else. Too many red flags for me. She talks a damn good game too if you chat her up.

Spoke to her for a few months last year. Got freaked out about the D pic request as well but ended up giving in and sending it. WE were suppose to be a few times but my spider senses kept me away for some reason. I can verify pics are accurate. We skyped once. Her number, skype and snapchat changed or she blocked so I'm surprised to see her back on. She host in Spring hope and Knightdale of all places which seemed very odd to me.

[QUOTE=Bh400;5769254]Have any of you guys gotten anywhere with this one? Says she can host in Spring Hope. Sent a wall text of her rules and requirements including needing a selfie and a dick pic (WTF?) and she will send more pics of herself back. I called her out because there is no way in hell I'm sending that out and we actually had a good back and forth conversation. Enough so that I considered actually pursuing something with her. I mean, whoever I'm texting sounds cool. Definitely not a bot. Then she sent the list and asked for a dick pic again! Maybe it is her copy paste reply over text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7444026b-999e-4b33-8be8-2bc9c3e37e38[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5770887]I uSed to be that way. Never send cash before meeting. But lately, I have changed that. I would send 25-50 for some pics. What has that done for me? It has helped me weed out a few that I would have met for 350-400. And I would be totally disappointed. When they send naked pics, I see things that I would normally not see with their clothes on.[/QUOTE]That you think it's actually their pictures they send to you.

We all know it's been dry for a long time out there. Just throwing this out there, once you get past the girls with the bullshit cash app BS, inflation and no jobs is starting to wear down these chicks. That's the trend at least, let's hope it lasts.

Sounds like the sugar dating scene has been full of scammers in RDU lately. I'll update after my week on my luck.

[QUOTE=German5050;5777594]Sounds like the sugar dating scene has been full of scammers in RDU lately. I'll update after my week on my luck.[/QUOTE]This one wants allowance AND ppm. Lols.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d28b44b9-fed8-4b3e-a5fe-8f073d562015[/URL]

[QUOTE=German5050;5777861]This one wants allowance AND ppm. Lols.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d28b44b9-fed8-4b3e-a5fe-8f073d562015[/URL][/QUOTE]There is a sucker waiting in the future.

[QUOTE=German5050;5777861]This one wants allowance AND ppm. Lols.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d28b44b9-fed8-4b3e-a5fe-8f073d562015[/URL][/QUOTE]So far nearly every girl the subject has come up with suggests an allowance. I can barely imagine a situation in which I would agree to one instead of PPM unless it was an 8/9 out of 10 giving me some kind of bulk discount. But instead the requested allowance is always an estimated few meetings per month that works out to a high PPM anyway.

[QUOTE=LiquidCoil;5781750]So far nearly every girl the subject has come up with suggests an allowance. I can barely imagine a situation in which I would agree to one instead of PPM unless it was an 8/9 out of 10 giving me some kind of bulk discount. But instead the requested allowance is always an estimated few meetings per month that works out to a high PPM anyway.[/QUOTE]That's because you're thinking in terms of sex. Sugar relationships can involve real emotions and caring, actual love. When that's the case an allowance is better. You can meet without thinking, "Is this worth a PPM" or "Is she only meeting twice this week for the PPM". It's because she likes you. She'd get the same allowance meeting you 1/4 as often. Also, you actually care for her and know the money makes her life better.

The guys on this forum are all about paying as little as possible. If you're an actual SD, you have money and don't play hardball with these women.

[QUOTE=PrivateName;5783812]That's because you're thinking in terms of sex. Sugar relationships can involve real emotions and caring, actual love. When that's the case an allowance is better. You can meet without thinking, "Is this worth a PPM" or "Is she only meeting twice this week for the PPM". It's because she likes you. She'd get the same allowance meeting you 1/4 as often. Also, you actually care for her and know the money makes her life better.

The guys on this forum are all about paying as little as possible. If you're an actual SD, you have money and don't play hardball with these women.[/QUOTE]Hmm, that might be a fair point, and I admit I do not have much experience yet in this arena.

I'm certainly not scouring for the cheapest possible provider like some here do, but neither am I in a class where dropping thousands a month would mean nothing. From what I read, that sounds like a very small percentage of SDs, so I don't know what you mean by an "actual" SD beyond making a no-true-Scotsman kind of point. I'd also wonder if you're risking some naivete approaching an SB relationship with true love in mind.

[QUOTE=PrivateName;5783812]

The guys on this forum are all about paying as little as possible. If you're an actual SD, you have money and don't play hardball with these women.[/QUOTE]My experience is anecdotal, but three different SB's told me that actual wealthy men were not only the stingiest, but also treated them like complete and utter garbage.

One went into specifics, mentioning a guy who owned a chain of very successful car dealerships, would expect her to show up within 15 minutes of whenever he called. Would gift her used items. And demanded to see her so often that each visit averaged to about 150 bucks. She stopped seeing him, not because the money was bad, but because he was so entitled and so disrespectful that she felt it wasn't worth the trouble.

Another SB said that a man flew her out for the weekend, degraded her the entire time, and referred to her as if she were an animal.

All money is not good money. And if you think men with money don't play hardball, I think you're mistaken.

I think a large issue is that SA is loaded with working girls who think they can demand more money by calling themselves sugar babies. But that's just my take.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5784352]My experience is anecdotal, but three different SB's told me that actual wealthy men were not only the stingiest, but also treated them like complete and utter garbage.[/QUOTE]Ha, reminds me of the local boy from Wilmington talking about a homeless guy: "If he can say 'You have any spare change? He can say 'Welcome to McDonald's, can I help you please? " - Michael Jordan.

[QUOTE=PrivateName;5783812]It's because she likes you. She'd get the same allowance meeting you 1/4 as often. [/QUOTE]I meant to add -- in the background both parties are aware that if she does that consistently, the relationship will likely end soon and she would get zero allowance, much less 1/4th.