Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6944332]Ugh, Shenzhen. I used to call it Shitzhen. To be fair, most of my experiences there were in the early to mid-90's when that town was just a shithole. I literally couldn't walk more than 10 feet down a sidewalk without hookers not just propositioning me, but literally grabbing me and trying to pull me into a building. Most of them looked like low class street hookers. Nobody I'd want a toss in the hay with. I don't recall if saunas were a thing there at that time or not. I was still pretty naive about that sort of thing and you didn't just hop on the internet in those days to research stuff. I haven't been back to Shenzhen for many years but I do understand that the city has cleaned up a lot. Quangzhou was a similarly crappy city in those years, and that city has certainly cleaned up significantly.

I remember the Shanghai saunas having red rope service which is something I haven't seen anywhere else. That is where there were a set of red ropes above the bed. The girl would suspend herself from them upside down, then twist the ropes up and start giving you a BJ. As she was blowing you the ropes would untwist, so she's spinning around in a circle while bobbing her head up and down on your dick. It was interesting to say the least. I'm not sure I can say it felt better than a regular BJ but it was an interesting visual.[/QUOTE]Experienced red rope in Shanghai and Beijing. Nowhere else.

Found this video showing how it works:

[URL]https://xhamster.com/videos/aerial-rope-girl-spins-and-gives-head-5237053[/URL]

[QUOTE=BSouthgate;6945303]Thank you for referring this book, Brothel by Alexa Albert, to us.

Albert sees the Mustang Ranch women through the cultural lens that includes the strangeness of prostitutes enjoying sex with clients. Her cultural belief is that it is still novel for women to enjoy sex at all and certainly they cannot enjoy sex with so many guys with whom they have only a casual acquaintance. Despite this flaw in the author's psychology, she does admit that at least 70% of the Mustang hookers orgasm "sometimes" and one orgasms as many as 7 times a day with clients. She notes that the brothel girls do not want to admit sexual enjoyment with clients and mock women who do admit such enjoyment.

Before the 1960's and the American sexual revolution, women rarely admitted enjoying sex and men did not know what a clit was. It was not important for women to enjoy sex though it was clear to me as a child from the sounds emanating from my parents bedroom that Mama was having more fun than Papa. I lived through that era. I remember.

Actually, women can enjoy sex and orgasm much more frequently than men can. They can enjoy with more partners than we can enjoy with. Prostitutes are no different. In fact, they choose their career because their libido and frequency of enjoyment is on the high side.

Thanks again for referring this book. Please enjoy again this video showing hookers having fun.

[URL]https://pornzog.com/video/13191912/hookers-in-ecstasy-a-compilation-by-party-manny/[/URL][/QUOTE]I strongly believe that this is a subject that you can't paint with a wide brush. Girls get into prostitution for a wide variety of reasons. Some do it because they're young runaways and drug addicts and need a source of income. Some do it strictly to earn a buck. Some do it at least partially because they immensely enjoy sex, and even more so enjoy getting paid for it. I've seen escorts who claimed to not need the money. They had good jobs during the week but saw 3 or 4 clients on weekends because a) the extra cash was nice. Gave them a little extra discretionary spending money; and b) they enjoyed the sex. I've been with SWs who had unmistakable huge orgasms. You know the orgasms were real because there are just certain things that can't be faked. I've been with others who claimed to orgasm but I saw no discernable evidence of it during the session. I've had others who had "orgasms" that seemed very fake. You can usually pick out the over the top porn flick style moaning and tell that it's fake. Uncontrollable body spasms, sweating, and hip bucking accompanied by moaning and a gush of fluids probably isn't fake. So it very much runs the gamut between spreading their legs just for the money and doing it because they're incredibly horny and like getting laid as much as we do.

As for the high end Nevada brothels, I'm not an expert because I've never visited one, but the 70% figure is probably pretty close to spot on. Some of the girls may very well have high sex drive and cum multiple times a day with multiple clients. Others may be put off by the sex part (but obviously not put off by the money) and never cum at all with clients. And I think those numbers probably fairly readily transfer to AMP girls. There's a couple Chinese I've been with in OC who had very intense orgasms after I spent 15-20 minutes with my head clamped between their thighs. I've had just as many who I've practiced my oral skills on who didn't seem to get turned on by it at all. They stayed dry and pretty much just went through the motions. In fairness, it's hard to expect them to get turned on and have orgasms with every client when their job is to spread their legs for a dozen strangers a day in a dark, cramped, dingy room. It's not so hard seeing a girl orgasm when she sees at most 1 or 2 per day, and those 1 or 2 are ones she hand selects and verifies out of dozens of requests she gets every day.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6945503]I strongly believe that this is a subject that you can't paint with a wide brush. Girls get into prostitution for a wide variety of reasons. Some do it because they're young runaways and drug addicts and need a source of income. Some do it strictly to earn a buck. Some do it at least partially because they immensely enjoy sex, and even more so enjoy getting paid for it. I've seen escorts who claimed to not need the money. They had good jobs during the week but saw 3 or 4 clients on weekends because a) the extra cash was nice. Gave them a little extra discretionary spending money; and b) they enjoyed the sex. I've been with SWs who had unmistakable huge orgasms. You know the orgasms were real because there are just certain things that can't be faked. I've been with others who claimed to orgasm but I saw no discernable evidence of it during the session. I've had others who had "orgasms" that seemed very fake. You can usually pick out the over the top porn flick style moaning and tell that it's fake. Uncontrollable body spasms, sweating, and hip bucking accompanied by moaning and a gush of fluids probably isn't fake. So it very much runs the gamut between spreading their legs just for the money and doing it because they're incredibly horny and like getting laid as much as we do.

As for the high end Nevada brothels, I'm not an expert because I've never visited one, but the 70% figure is probably pretty close to spot on. Some of the girls may very well have high sex drive and cum multiple times a day with multiple clients..[/QUOTE]Your review is right on the mark. My experiences have been similar to yours.

Chinese women in China and those who have recently immigrated are more sexually responsive and enjoy more.

The thing that I learned from this book was not that hookers often enjoy sex. Their enjoyment is repressed by cultural pressures not to enjoy. Very few if any of the Nevada brothel women were recent immigrants from Asia. Their groupthink was to mock and make fun of women who had the courage to admit frequent orgasms with their tricks. Imagine if, on this site, guys were afraid to admit that they enjoyed orgasms with their massage girls. That is the way it still is for many prostitutes.

Liberate.

Up to about 45 years of age, I preferred younger beautiful women to older women who had lost their sparkle. Thia pertained to pros and what I think you call civvies (non pros). I married my first wife when I was in my twenties. She was knockout beautiful. She had the body of a model and the innocent cute face of an actress.

Then as age progressed, I started preferring older more mature women for sex but still liked girlfriends and wives to be at least ten years younger than myself. When I mongered in Gardena and Inglewood in my 60's, I had both young and old masseuses. Gradually, I learned to like the older girls (at least 40) more as lovers. They knew more and were less inhibited.

Now I am ancient. I am near life's end. I don't fight with my pot belly anymore because I know it is useless to fight. I have an ugly pacemaker box sticking through the skin of my chest. My hair is grey and it is no longer easy to get it up. I had taken a vacation from mongering for about five years and only recently have returned to this great hobby. In the past few months, I have tried to young spinners at Right and the grannies in Westminster. I prefer the latter by far.

I would love to read others' views on this topic.

How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]I frequent a handful of AMP providers. Wherever they get rotated to, I'll go there if it ain't too far. I have them shower and brush their teeth beforehand.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]Hit 'them up early! Some of my regulars will come in and let me in early. I'll contact them the night before. They'll know to rooter out that snatch and rush and floss got some DFK an 69. I'll also be freshly showered They'll require the same from me, inspecting the balls, shaft and under the head for lint or smegma.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]Today, I ate lunch in a restaurant using a fork that has been used one thousand times in the past month.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]I'm responding to you on the Rants thread in order to appease the listmasters.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily? Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]Try your best not to put forth your Victorian constraints here. Just chill and don't proselytize. Let mongers be mongers, and if you, personally, don't wish to enjoy the spectrum of enjoyment at AMPs like Right, Nature and other similar establishments, go elsewhere. You may save a few buckos in the process.

Hygiene varies, but in my three decades of mongering experiences, most AMP girls like to keep themselves clean between play sessions. They gargle, shower, rinse, wipe and use those little squeeze douche devices. But what the heck, even if one or more of them don't have perfect clean-up skills, consider your own daily activities out and about. Whether it's a high-end Laguna oceanfront eatery, or a Mickey D's drive through in GG, do you really think the minimum wagers practice perfect hygiene while dishing you up? And do you wipe down every doorknob you touch in any establishment beforehand? Or any other public venue, from a gym, a park a grocery store, etc. ?

I totally get that some guys get anxious / worried about what bacteria may be lingering on these accommodating AMP lovelies, but please let each monger decide for him (or her) self. No need to raise those questions publicly, In-My-Less-Than-Humble-Opinion. If you are truly worried, as opposed to just being a holier-than-thou monger-basher, just DM the monger directly. Even me. If I know you're legitimately confused and a mongering neophyte (as opposed to a troll or shill), I will respond to you and help guide you along the evil pathways 😊.

[QUOTE=RubMePls;6947912]How do you guys enjoy doing that for these girls who are getting pumped unprotected in both holes daily?

Not even talking about the risks of std or sti. But the actual act you're kissing other dudes no matter how well you think they clean.[/QUOTE]Yep early nuff sed.

[QUOTE=BSouthgate;6947040]Up to about 45 years of age, I preferred younger beautiful women to older women who had lost their sparkle. Thia pertained to pros and what I think you call civvies (non pros). I married my first wife when I was in my twenties. She was knockout beautiful. She had the body of a model and the innocent cute face of an actress.

I would love to read others' views on this topic.[/QUOTE]I spent my kindergarten in a school where the girls wore sailor uniforms. That was a legendary place and the pre-owned uniforms are still collectibles. I am attracted to tiny or tall girls as long as they have nice legs and are pretty. Maybe I have a pedo tendency. When we were buying a house, the agent couldn't help but bring out the registered sex offender topic. I didn't know what she was talking about. But looking back, when she looked at my Asian wife, at 25, she was afraid that I was a registered sex offender. If she sold a house to me, that would be the end of her career there.

When I started mongering, I looked for model materials. Why not? But then it was disappointments, especially in the US. You are not going to get that for $300 to $400. Paying more didn't get any better. TER is only useful to some extent. I did meet a few cira 2015, the DDG era. No K girls call themselves Drop Dead Gorgeous now. But they all did and some looked the part, tall, young, in good shape, and with breast enhancements superior to US surgeons. They also dolled up pretty well so everybody was pretty. It was totally unlike the situation now. But then those DDGs aren't allowing you to do anything like the MILF / GILFs.

As I grow older, I am clearer about what I want. I want nicer things if I can. I have a finite amount of time left. First, no baby damage. No tired nipples or pancakes. Flat is OK as long as not TS flat. Pretty girls who can wear sailor uniforms well. I'm vulnerable to visual stimulation. So it's easier to go down on young pussy. For the starfish, you can't pretend to be a teen, which has an impenetrable shield. I also developed a foot fetish with my first ATF. I have known her since 19 who is a quarter French, half Chinese, the rest Viet with unbelievable skin. She retired at 23. Older ladies can have nice feet but the odds are decreasing.

So I turned out to be Rob's loyal customer. I knew about HX but never big about it before Rob. I met Jazzy when she first came out. Nice ass but defective natural breasts at the time. When I was done early she put back her clothes on and sat far away to have a conversation giving me no chance to attempt the 2nd pop. I was in heaven when Macey. Lin first came out at 19. Rob had an unlimited supply of these girls. I didn't have a crush on Macey because I met her only once before my economic downturn. I tried to catch up on the lost years before she retired but it wasn't the same.

As for service, DFK is a high priority. It's not intimate without it. I don't really need fancy things, I've experienced them all over the years. I have no bucket lists. I'm good as long as they are open to be fucked in my favorite positions. It's like going to the gym. First, a full erection then a full workout. Covered is fine as long as I come in pussy during intense probing. Oral and CIM aren't that important. That comes back to DFK when I can do it and cum in pussy at the same time.

Maybe I'll change my strategy when I'm not getting what I want. But now I still have to bother to cut my hair often enough to avoid looking like a homeless. Out of the blue, Erica Clapton asked me how is my martial arts training. I had a dad bod and a growing stomach. It dawned on maybe I fucked her quite hard. She had been moaning like she was practicing martial arts. I think it's because she has the right thickness. The thickness of her body between the bed and me while I was flat ironing her. Sometimes I moan myself when it's intense. Also out of the blue, she told me "I'm glad you came. " I don't know why she said that. But it was reassuring because she has the teen body and look that I like. And I kiss her non-stop. Sometimes I feel a bit too much but I can't help it. But she isn't the only one. April also said that to me once. Again I kissed her non-stop because GFE is her talent. Maybe Rob coached them to say that? I don't know how effective is that. I see them anyway.

KylieMaris isn't really my type. I still have her paid album. But then I heard she has inverse nipples. And her breasts look good. She's more model material than the teens. And she's very welcoming from the start. She's pretty despite the blue hair and not dolled up. After a long kiss, I looked at her and felt that I didn't kiss her enough. Then I dive in for the DFK again. She always received it with a smile. When I repeated, I liked her longer legs, she looked at me in a different way. You heard that first time a client, 2nd time a GF, and 3rd time a wife. I think she believes in that somewhat. She knew I paid attention to her ass and showed it off when she was reverse cowgirling me without prompting. It seems she was inviting me to finger her ass or even anal. But I wasn't prepared, not prepared to pay more. I was very happy about her already. What she did wrong was telling me that she would be gone come summer, in a month or two. I hate to gain an ATF and then lose it.

Another well-known one is JesikaRose, young, pretty, and nice body. Again she was very enthusiastic at the 2nd visit, talking about cars, mostly about her new car. Very open to kissing. About the same time, I tried Sabina Valentine a year late because her booker flashed her face pictures, so cute. I still saw her a few times despite no smiling, and no kissing. Because she allowed video. I put up two fixed cameras with portable studio lights and held my phone for close up shots. She was very cooperative holding the camera for me when I needed both hands. On the 3rd visit, she was like a different person. She smiled and danced without prompting. I told her to do a strip tease instead. She started kissing me, told me to fuck harder, and after sex held my arms around her waist in a fetal position. Sadly, I got 3 tickets in a row, one because of them, including an over 100 mph one. I put everything aside to deal with it. Now Sabina becomes Celeste, providing PSE in Koreatown.

Pretty black girls are so hard to find. I picked one up on Hottie Gallery. She has a better body than many strippers. Not small but very maneuverable. Her face isn't a compromise. I actually dig her face as much as her body. But she did everything covered, so no kissing, no BBBJ, no DATY, no DATO. So after I satisfied my black girl craving, I told her I wasn't coming back unless she offered more service. She offered anal that I hadn't thought of. So she became my favorite along with Rob's girls. I would have spent more money on her if she didn't work and live far from me. I had to take the toll road, the 405 express lane, and then the 110 express lane to get to Figueroa or the toll road then the 91 express lane to get to her house.

But as time went on she looked hotter. I could overlook many things. When I took her out I couldn't stop looking at her legs and everything else. She had barely any hair when I first picked her up. When she had money to spare she wore beautiful wigs. Nowadays wigs are more beautiful than real hair, barely noticeable and you can wear it to the shower. Imagine you pick the most sexy wig for your $6000 sex doll. She had lots of tattoos but they faded so I don't see them anymore and lick her except for the several places she doesn't want.

Every time it was a thorough workout, flat ironing her on both sides and both holes. She does shower together as well as on video, or showering on video. She's not on the internet so she doesn't care what I video. I found out that she wasn't allergic to me after all. I can kiss and lick her face, kiss her neck, and anywhere else, just not on the holes. So I figured out that she doesn't want to catch anything or she doesn't want to give me anything. So I tried the dental dam. It's good for DFK too. But it was hilarious when she complained that she couldn't breathe because it was covering her nose. And I could satisfy my craving licking her pussy and her starfish. And she doesn't mind if I poke her holes with finger condoms on. Finger condoms are optional but I prefer that because I can do it harder without the risk of hurting her with my fingernails and I wouldn't want my fingers to smell after deep in her ass.

But they are all rip-offs. Saran wrap is thinner and clear. Simpler still, just grab a thin plastic bag for food and rip out a big piece. It's almost clear but you aren't able to see the difference. It won't stick to itself, easier to carry. If you need finger condoms, just bring some latex gloves, cutting off the fingers or not. Best of all, they don't invite suspicion.

Have you heard something like taking the girl out of the ghetto? She lived in a nice neighborhood but I ended up frequenting the south central neighborhood, nails, eyebrows, clothes, eating. She wouldn't touch any junk food since I met her. Once I asked her to do an outcall in the parking structure in Irvine Spectrum. It was a disaster. She was late, late, late, defeating the purpose of coming to Irvine while I ran errands. When she arrived she texted me e2. We were talking about parking anywhere, the numbered entrances, or the parking structure. I immediately rushed to Entry Point 2 but there was no such thing. I could only find 1 and 3. Then she send me a picture on level 2 of the parking structure. So I drove all over the 2nd level, kept asking her which aisle was she, A,B,C? If she just send me a picture with the alphabet I could have found her. If she got out of the car I could have seen her. But we wasted half an hour. So I had to go without seeing her. Afterward, it dawned on me she told me she was on level 2 aisle E. But nobody says e2. She may be familiar with South Central but not any malls elsewhere. In addition, there's no aisle E in the parking structure, not on level 2. There is aisle E in the other parking lot. But it's not near the freeway. It's next to Target and the signs are different.

[QUOTE=HeadHunter1969;6947761]This feels fake to me. Anyone agree?[/QUOTE]I looked up his posts and they all seem fake. SOmeone even mentioned a while back that it may be someone advertising their own.

[QUOTE=BSouthgate;6947040]Up to about 45 years of age, I preferred younger beautiful women to older women who had lost their sparkle. Thia pertained to pros and what I think you call civvies (non pros). I married my first wife when I was in my twenties. She was knockout beautiful. She had the body of a model and the innocent cute face of an actress.

Then as age progressed, I started preferring older more mature women for sex but still liked girlfriends and wives to be at least ten years younger than myself. When I mongered in Gardena and Inglewood in my 60's, I had both young and old masseuses. Gradually, I learned to like the older girls (at least 40) more as lovers. They knew more and were less inhibited.

Now I am ancient. I am near life's end. I don't fight with my pot belly anymore because I know it is useless to fight. I have an ugly pacemaker box sticking through the skin of my chest. My hair is grey and it is no longer easy to get it up. I had taken a vacation from mongering for about five years and only recently have returned to this great hobby. In the past few months, I have tried to young spinners at Right and the grannies in Westminster. I prefer the latter by far.

I would love to read others' views on this topic.[/QUOTE]I have mixed feelings about this. I'm in my late 50's. I have a young fetish and have always had a young fetish. There's nothing quite like having a pretty young girl naked in bed next to me. But at the same time, generally in the mongering world, the younger and prettier they are, the more they charge and the worse their service is. So a lot of the time I have to weigh between going for the young hottie who is going to overcharge and probably rush me or cut corners, or someone older and less attractive who's going to be a little more humble and make sure I'm completely satisfied. I can make arguments either way with pros and cons of each, so for me it comes down to what I'm craving at that moment.

[QUOTE=Sticker;6948010]Try your best not to put forth your Victorian constraints here. Just chill and don't proselytize. Let mongers be mongers, and if you, personally, don't wish to enjoy the spectrum of enjoyment at AMPs like Right, Nature and other similar establishments, go elsewhere. You may save a few buckos in the process.

Hygiene varies, but in my three decades of mongering experiences, most AMP girls like to keep themselves clean between play sessions. They gargle, shower, rinse, wipe and use those little squeeze douche devices. But what the heck, even if one or more of them don't have perfect clean-up skills, consider your own daily activities out and about. Whether it's a high-end Laguna oceanfront eatery, or a Mickey D's drive through in GG, do you really think the minimum wagers practice perfect hygiene while dishing you up? And do you wipe down every doorknob you touch in any establishment beforehand? Or any other public venue, from a gym, a park a grocery store, etc. ?

I totally get that some guys get anxious / worried about what bacteria may be lingering on these accommodating AMP lovelies, but please let each monger decide for him (or her) self. No need to raise those questions publicly, In-My-Less-Than-Humble-Opinion. If you are truly worried, as opposed to just being a holier-than-thou monger-basher, just DM the monger directly. Even me. If I know you're legitimately confused and a mongering neophyte (as opposed to a troll or shill), I will respond to you and help guide you along the evil pathways 😊.[/QUOTE]Great response. I haven't done BBCIP providers, but 95% of AMP or AAMP providers have excellent hygiene and easily pass the sniff test with flying scents of womanhood. Most are super diligent about hygiene with their money maker- I have a very good nose. Other great points of all the daily bacteria and pathogens humans ingest on a daily basis- and have for hundreds of thousands of years. The mouth is more evolved to deal with most pathogens than the penis.