To add to Candy Addict's post. If you ever find yourself in this situation. Be as cooperative as possible. Don't give them a reason to want to take you in for a rediculous reason.
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To add to Candy Addict's post. If you ever find yourself in this situation. Be as cooperative as possible. Don't give them a reason to want to take you in for a rediculous reason.
[QUOTE=Jimmiedean]I seen some there. It's on keamoku and located in the samsung plaza. Across the street from the walmart/SAMs club. I'm not into the white girls so I can't tell you if their any good. But I don't think their service is as good as an Asian.[/QUOTE]
VIP is the place to go to see white girls. However, white girls tend more often than not to be either streetwalkers or former streetwalkers. As such they tend to give crappy service, demand more than the standard fee because they have a pimp and have poor attitudes. You will find good white service providers at VIP but their service overall will not be as good as the Koreans. That being said, I would suggest a girl named Hazel. She's a skinny blonde with a nice ass. She's somewhat edgy and of course your mileage may vary but if she likes you, she'll fuck your brains out.
Candy Addict,
Thank you, I've never been to a massage parlor for fear of being raided.
Your post makes me feel a bit more at ease about going to one..
Now the hard part, going out and actually doing it.
To bad theres nothing on the windward side.
[QUOTE=Shavnluvr]ok, I hate to ask, but I can't seem to find the number to Apple Massage. Looking to TOFTT, anyone got the number?[/QUOTE]
Their ad seems to be down, but try 946-0131. The last I saw there was a cell number on their door, when you go.
[QUOTE=Candy Addict]The short answer to your question is no. The men don't get arrested during these raids, unless they are found to have outstanding arrest warrants for other crimes.
To arrest you, they have to have "probable cause" to believe that you've committed a crime. Probable cause is much more than mere suspicion. There has to be evidence, admissible in court, that you've violated the law. It's not illegal to be naked in a massage parlor. It's not even illegal to have sex in a massage parlor. It's only illegal if you paid the girl to have sex with you. So, to arrest you, there would have to be evidence that you paid the girl, or at least that there was an offer to exchange sex for money.
When HPD raids these businesses, the arrests are more often for immigration or health code violations than for prostitution. For a girl to be arrested for prostitution in one of these raids, she would've had to make the mistake of negotiating sex for money with an undercover cop. For you to be arrested, your "provider" would have to have been an undercover cop, or the room would've had to be wired for video and audio, neither of which ever happens.
The only time men get arrested for soliciting prostitution is during a "sting" operation where they try to pick up a streetwalker, or a girl from craigslist or an escort service, who turns out to be an undercover cop. The streetwalker stings are fairly common downtown, and occur occasionally in Waikiki. Craigslist stings out here appear to be rare, but happen more often on the mainland. Escort service stings, where the cops take over an escort service and run it to arrest customers are nearly unheard of in Hawaii, but have happened in many mainland cities.
If you're ever caught in a raid at an AMP or a bar, all that will happen to you as that the cops will either tell you to get lost, or they'll check your ID and run a search for outstanding warrants. If they find one, you'll be arrested on the warrant. If they don't, then they'll tell you to get lost. They may be cool about the whole thing (rare), or they may make it as unpleasant as they can (much more common), trying to scare you out of ever mongering again. (Good luck with that!)
And that, my friend, is more than you ever wanted to know about massage parlor raids! Aren't you glad you asked?
CA[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the helpful info.
[QUOTE=Spyda]To add to Candy Addict's post. If you ever find yourself in this situation. Be as cooperative as possible. Don't give them a reason to want to take you in for a rediculous reason.[/QUOTE]Since we're back on this topic. I remember the do not talk to cops youtube video from the professor & LE. So how exactly do you be cooperative and STFU at the same time? Sorta on tilt after seeing LE with flashing lights as I left.
[QUOTE=Showboatt]Okay candy addict, what makes it any different to have consenting adults have sex for no money than, to have sex for the exchange of money.
Sex is sex.
Incidently, the woman is paid in cash whether she is your wife or your amp provider. In actuality there is no difference. She's gonna get cash no matter what.
So does that mean that, by the letter of the law, every married man who hands his paycheck to his wife, may not be paying for sex. That's a contradiction in terms, it's actually more costly when married. Therefore, every man who is married should go to jail.
So what really started this paying for sex to be made illegal?
Is it taxes? It's quite possible that the prostitution law was made for this reason and only this reason and as the years went by, everybody just forgot
Why it really came about.
I know what you're gonna say Candy A.. You're gonna say it's the religious morality that is pushing this law.
So why would the cities and counties and states give a crap about religious morality.
Don't we have a such thing as separation of church and state.
Then you also might say that in this case, the separation of church and state does not exist. Because the church is dictating laws to the state.
So, we have a big problem here. Probably, a constitutional problem.
Problems, Problems, it never ends. But no worries, I can delete all of this!!!!
Your friendly Showboat........[/QUOTE]
The prostitution laws view it as a "Business Relationship". The providers primary goal is to sell sexual services for a fee and the customer is there to buy sexual services for a fee. Some what different from your wife or girlfriend where sex is part of the marital or romantic relationship. Even if we give them money, buy them gifts, take them out to dinner etc., because they are recognized as our wives or girlfriends the law does not look upon the sex in a "Business" aspect. I agree with you that what consenting adults do sexually should not be illegal and think Prostitution should be decriminalized.
As far as the Prostitution Laws, it is the politicians who make the law, and the politicians need votes to get elected into office. The Religious Political Lobby is very strong and they can bring votes to help elect candidates that support their views or hurt those who do not support their views. And there are many people who may not be religious, but who feel Prostitution is wrong and may not vote for a candidate with an opposing view. Remember years ago when the Same Sex Marriage issue was before the legislature and the the outcry from the religious right on that issue. The politicians took heed of them.
And by the way the way Showboatt, I agree with you that Jennifer (Sakura University) is a doll. She is one of my ATF.
The religious lobby has no business in a government building.
It is definitely a "contradiction in terms", when it comes to "separation of church and state".
Das Boot
Hey,
I'm trying to find the best MP to go to and which girls. I'm new in town so if you could give me directions too.
[QUOTE=Showboatt]The religious lobby has no business in a government building.
That is definitely a "contradiction in terms", when it comes to "separation of church and state".
Das Boot[/QUOTE]
That is the reality of politics. Citizens both religious and non religious have the right to express their views upon our elected officials in matters of government and law that affect us all. And elected officials have a duty to listen to their constituents whom they are elected to represent, before making decisions. But it is near impossible to legislate morality, and that is why Prostitution continues to be the worlds oldest profession.
When I saw Jennifer last month she said a new provider from the mainland was going to start working in a few weeks. Can anyone confirm that a new provider is working and report on their service. Thanks.
Hey,
I'm new in town and im trying to find out where the best MP are and what the best girls are. If you could include directions too.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Thirteentwenty]Candy Addict,
Thank you, I've never been to a massage parlor for fear of being raided.
Your post makes me feel a bit more at ease about going to one..
Now the hard part, going out and actually doing it.
To bad theres nothing on the windward side.[/QUOTE]
You've never been to a mp, and the fear has kept you away?...that's not such a bad thing! But how did you ever wind up on this site?
[QUOTE=Showboatt]Okay candy addict, what makes it any different to have consenting adults have sex for no money than, to have sex for the exchange of money.
Sex is sex.
Incidently, the woman is paid in cash whether she is your wife or your amp provider. In actuality there is no difference. She's gonna get cash no matter what.
So does that mean that, by the letter of the law, every married man who hands his paycheck to his wife, may not be paying for sex. That's a contradiction in terms, it's actually more costly when married. Therefore, every man who is married should go to jail.
So what really started this paying for sex to be made illegal?
Is it taxes? It's quite possible that the prostitution law was made for this reason and only this reason and as the years went by, everybody just forgot
Why it really came about.
I know what you're gonna say Candy A.. You're gonna say it's the religious morality that is pushing this law.
So why would the cities and counties and states give a crap about religious morality.
Don't we have a such thing as separation of church and state.
Then you also might say that in this case, the separation of church and state does not exist. Because the church is dictating laws to the state.
So, we have a big problem here. Probably, a constitutional problem.
Problems, Problems, it never ends. But no worries, I can delete all of this!!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stangman808]The prostitution laws view it as a "Business Relationship". The providers primary goal is to sell sexual services for a fee and the customer is there to buy sexual services for a fee. Some what different from your wife or girlfriend where sex is part of the marital or romantic relationship. Even if we give them money, buy them gifts, take them out to dinner etc., because they are recognized as our wives or girlfriends the law does not look upon the sex in a "Business" aspect. I agree with you that what consenting adults do sexually should not be illegal and think Prostitution should be decriminalized.
As far as the Prostitution Laws, it is the politicians who make the law, and the politicians need votes to get elected into office. The Religious Political Lobby is very strong and they can bring votes to help elect candidates that support their views or hurt those who do not support their views. And there are many people who may not be religious, but who feel Prostitution is wrong and may not vote for a candidate with an opposing view. Remember years ago when the Same Sex Marriage issue was before the legislature and the the outcry from the religious right on that issue. The politicians took heed of them. [/QUOTE]
Brother Boat,
I guess you must have deleted your post. Fortunately, Brother Stang quoted it in his response. His answer was as good as anything I'd have said, and probably not as long-winded as I'd be either! ;)
I just wanted to add a couple of things. First, I know where you're coming from and generally agree with you. Many have described marriage as "legal prostitution" and in many cases, that's not far from the truth! But once again, you're talking philosophy, whereas I was simply explaining the legal practicalities of our hobby. Philosophically, you and I are in general agreement. You asked when all of this nonsense started. I honestly don't know. While I've studied what the prostitution laws are, I haven't spent much time reviewing the history of the laws. I doubt taxes had anything to do with it. You can't collect taxes from an illegal activity. If they wanted to tax prostitution, they'd need to decriminalize it so that prostitution businesses could legally report their incomes and pay the appropriate taxes.
You mentioned the separation of church and state and said you think we have constitutional problem. I agree. In my view, the separation of church and state is not being observed here, and that's my issue with our laws dealing with sexual morality. I believe them to be unconstitutional because they impose one set of values, largely rooted in religious beliefs, on the entire population. I do not believe the government should have the power to regulate private, consensual sexual behavior, even when it's of a commercial nature. But no one has successfully challenged the laws in court on that basis (yet). Then there's also the legal reasoning from Lawrence vs. Texas back in 2003 when the Supreme Court ruled that sodomy statutes were invalid. The same reasoning the court used in that case could easily be applied to prostitution laws, but no one has managed to get a case all the way to the Supreme Court yet. The Wikipedia article on it gives a decent overview if you're curious.
Anyway, this is kinda off-topic, so I'll STFU about it. :D
CA
Brothers,
Since I am not a regular at CC, was wondering if it would be possible...to identify any of the providers on CL with pics <---> to their names???
Believe you me, this time when I call, I'm gonna ask and make sure that the girl in the pic is the one I'm getting!
For instance, I read about "Thip" a lot on the forum. But what does she look like? Does she have a pic on CL? If so, then why don't they associate their names (especially the legit ones who offer NON-sexual massages) to their pics? Doesn't make sense to me. Ho's who offer FBSM & more leave their names, go figure.
Thanks in advance, if anyone can do it. I'd show you a pic of Alyson if I had one...but I reckon she's easy to spot amongst the sea of Thai women in CC bldg, even though I haven't had the chance to see one yet!!!
Once I get 411 on a THAI provider that can crack the middle of your back AND give great medium massage (HE included or not) I will definitely report back here. PM me if you have any more info brothers, and to those who already have, mahalo nui loa.
H