NoVA SugarBabies

[QUOTE=FogHorn1;6308582][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26d82f9e-dd6a-41fa-9c52-8071bfc43fe5[/URL]

Any one have any intel on her? Started chatting but something seems off. I'm always skeptical when a girl is eager to meet, accepts a midlevel offer without the typical "my last arranged was XYZ" and doesn't ask for pics, etc.[/QUOTE]I thought she was hot and was going to write to her, but her profile mentioned living in a small college town. I can't imagine anyone would describe the DMV that way. Seemed fishy, so I didn't bother.

[QUOTE=Bellissimo;6310953]I thought she was hot and was going to write to her, but her profile mentioned living in a small college town. I can't imagine anyone would describe the DMV that way. Seemed fishy, so I didn't bother.[/QUOTE]She has a 'College Verified" badge on her profile. She told me that she was in NoMa. I however didn't pursue as there were better ones around.

[QUOTE=FogHorn1;6307693]I followed this pretty closely when it was going down, the various profiles. Etc. I don't know anything about an optical store, and I'm not sure how that would exclude her from being the mugger anyway? I'll say if this isn't here, this girl could be the twin sister of the mugger.[/QUOTE]I have never shared what I am about to share out of embarrassment before.

I chatted with the mugger for at least 3-4 months when she was active on SA. One day she invited me over to her apartment in Herndon at 12 noon. I mean, having chatted for a few months, I didn't see any red flags, and what could possibly go wrong at 12 noon, right? She told me to meet her in front of the leasing office for the apartment complex. I parked, and this lady (not at all pretty) came, sat in the passenger seat, and made small talk. She then started saying how men have had fun and not paid her and asked if it would be okay to give her the $2 oo ppm before we went to her apartment. No sooner did she get the money, she ran out of my car into another car waiting a few feet away. She and the driver of the get-a-way car disappeared.

Oh, it gets better.

A few days later, I chatted with her again using a different number. Invited her to TGIF at Wordgate. Told her that I was running late and she should order whatever she wanted and I would take care of it. Long story short, she ate and drank a bit. After an hour, she called and started texting that I should come to pay the dinner bill. I blocked her number. I do not know how much she ordered, but I did have the satisfaction that I did something.

The mugger and the other girl are NOT the same.

[QUOTE=TomFordModel;6310785]The dynamics have changed. The French girl was a year ago. I haven't been active on SA but the last time I checked it was ghettos, middle age and drugged out younger girls. That shit is not desirable.

She wasn't exactly free. I had to pay for the bus fare from NYC and hotel room, food, sight seeing, etc.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's gone way downhill and then some. This is a national trend. I won't be paying for any future SA memberships. It was a good run. I'm hoping something else takes its place but these are down years I'm afraid.

The govt printed money and gave it to people not to work on the advice of the biggest quacks since the medieval era. It's going to take quite sometime to change people's mindset, that and a whole lot of joblessness without benefit checks.

Any 411 on BrwnEyedGrl89 ?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a720189a-4eed-4079-8856-7e85451e5f0e[/URL]

I saw your post the other day, then chatted this new girl who just signed up. Profile now says online only, but texted me and mentioned meeting up. Quoted me 10 k. I legitimately thought it was a typo or talking about he wrong thing and she confirmed to have dinner or drinks $600 per hour, but if we got physical 10 k.

Legit thought I was crazy for offering so much less.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb867044-e534-42f3-a393-83bf15981b5e[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mandane;6309427]The delusion is strong with this one. When asked about ppm she indicated that her last arrangement was $7 K per month. That's PPS not GPS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/42de90f4-6e04-4275-a269-757ad2dca95b[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jost815;6310777]Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bdfa85bc-dd6f-49f2-85a9-56bd07f30c84[/URL]

Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/934edd23-73d6-4694-ab82-18d25fc31951[/URL][/QUOTE]They refuse to send any face pics and won't budge off 500 each and max 2 hrs. I passed.

[QUOTE=WorkYard;6311770]Any 411 on BrwnEyedGrl89 ?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a720189a-4eed-4079-8856-7e85451e5f0e[/URL][/QUOTE]I wrote her 5 months ago. No response. Last week, I pinged her again and she responded about how busy she was running a massive program, switching companies, raising revenue (whale bait), and how no one had piqued her interest. Quickly followed by another message apologizing for not responding to my initial message 5 months ago. Told her I understood, blah, blah and revealed my photos per her request. Since then, nothing.

My suspicion is that since I did not express interest in her need to raise capital, she will not reply.

[QUOTE=Faceless02;6310725]I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.

First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.

Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.

But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.

Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.

Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.

Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.

The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.

In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.

If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.

Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.

I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.

It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.

Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.

The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.

If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.

Thats my .02[/QUOTE]This is graduate level SD knowledge. I've been in this game for a long time and do pretty well. However, just learned a few things. Thank you!

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6312505]This is graduate level SD knowledge. I've been in this game for a long time and do pretty well. However, just learned a few things. Thank you![/QUOTE]Agreed. I blew a few opportunities to vanilla a few keeper SBs back in they day that I probably could have had I'd followed some of the advice there. If I ever run across a potential keeper in the future, I'll try some of these tactics.

[QUOTE=Faceless02;6310725]I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.

First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.

Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.

But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.

Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.

Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and it has opened my eyes to this SD / SB world. I had no idea that the usual relationship would require meetings so often. I am too busy (family, work, hobbies, etc) to meet more than once every other week, so it's not even an option. I am going to stick to PPM and even if they want to repeat, I will just keep sticking to that. I don't care if they see other people, it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.

This 19 year old has never had an arrangement before. I asked her if she was anticipating becoming intimate with guys as part of being on Seeking. Her response was, "That's prostitution! No!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/299b5ce0-e67a-41c9-91a4-b552ba2f0406[/URL]

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6313163]Agreed. I blew a few opportunities to vanilla a few keeper SBs back in they day that I probably could have had I'd followed some of the advice there. If I ever run across a potential keeper in the future, I'll try some of these tactics.[/QUOTE]It's more fun to catch and release. The good ones deserve better than us.

[QUOTE=Jost815;6310777]Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bdfa85bc-dd6f-49f2-85a9-56bd07f30c84[/URL]

Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/934edd23-73d6-4694-ab82-18d25fc31951[/URL][/QUOTE]No idea of one of them is MissDoe or not. She and I established text communication many months ago but I found her to be flaky as hell. Would set a time to meet and then ghost, after she did that twice I didn't return her last text. Time waster as far as I can tell.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6313269]...it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.[/QUOTE]I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.

I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.

Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.