"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2746451]What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.[/QUOTE]I've been using Google Wallet. I set my girl up on it. I have it as well obviously. I transfer money to her email address which is linked to her bank account. I don't have the worries of an SO, so it has worked well. If I transfer it from my debit card then it goes in her account almost instantaneously, where if I transfer it from my bank account it could take up to 3 business days.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888]I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.[/QUOTE]The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.

Prepay is an Instagram fueled arrogance of the Millennials. They want our money and will have to work to get it. Stick to your guns Brothers and do not reward this self absorbed behavior. If there are guys out there who are paying it just reinforces bad behavior -so don't do it. Unfortunately, just like SBs who get paid $moderate and up allowances, they chat it up on line (like we do) and give hope to their Blog sisters that rinsing is alive and well.

Prepay demands will mostly result in non acquisition of a Daddy, and they will either abandon the lifestyle when their Profile gathers dust or they will adjust to market pressures and go on free M&Gs. They need to consider M&Gs as a job interview as has been said before. Obviously getting an SD can mean $1000's to them.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2746815]AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.

Otherwise, get her on PayPal.[/QUOTE]

Er, why would one do anything with a girl that links directly to your real name and real bank account? Last I checked Paypal also required a bank account or CC to use. What am I missing?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2747177]The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.[/QUOTE]Eh, more carry over mentality from the lovely What's Your Price site. Sigh.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888] "I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase." [/QUOTE]This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".

Bam.

I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.

I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.

1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.

3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.

4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.

Success happens rarely but when:

1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.

2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.

3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.

4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2747078]Can you add anonymously?. I have an alias with her and do not want my real name out to her.[/QUOTE]Not entirely sure, but I think so since you set up and manage the account and just give her the card with no other info.

I used one for my father in laws care taker in FL to do his grocery shopping.

You, however, do have to give your real name and SSN to AMEX so they don't think you are laundering money.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747256]

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.
[/QUOTE]General cluelessness.

I met a hot blonde promo model in TX a few months back. I can't remember what her expectation was, but when I did the math for a one time meet. Including a 20% premium for a one time meet (lets face it, 7-11 charges a premium for convenience, I get the principle in pricing) -- assuming her monthly involved weekly meetings.

I offered $400 for an overnight, she was expecting $700. I explained my thinking to her, which she understood, and agreed to meet.

Of course, she did ask for $100 more a few hours after we met and I told her we would see.

She was even hotter than pictures and begged for CIM with swallow -- TWICE -- so I threw her the bonus benji in the morning.

I don't mind bonsuing for effort and performance, just not agreeing to it up front.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747256]I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.

I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.

1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.

3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.

4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.

Success happens rarely but when:

1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.

2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.

3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.

4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.[/QUOTE]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Kellster;2747384]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]An insanely hot local girl did the same thing. I think these girls can get big bucks -more as a high end escort for a short term gig. Maybe a weekend for $5000. Once they tag a Daddy Big Bucks for a High Dollar Gig they believe their "value" has gone up. And maybe they're right. If she had a regular Daddy she would not be on the site still. If she is an SD collector she is just an escort. Escorts burn out VERY quickly.

Face it, if I could drop $5,000 without missing it on a 10/10 hottie, I would take her along for a getaway. Just remember, in the end pussy is just pussy, and I would take a sweet 7 /8 for a fraction of the price all day long. And variety is still King so you will get tired of the 10 just as fast as the 7.

Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?

There are guys that will pay GPS prices for SB's I'm sure. I know one guy that regularly overpays and he knows it. He has the disposable income and flaunts it to the girls, but he rarely sees the same girl more than 1 or 2 times and treats the girls like blow up dolls.

I think HWG wrote about this in the past. Sure there are some guys who will pay the high price, but either they are unappealing (appearance, hygiene, personality, fetishist, etc) that the SB would need the extra to suffer through the experience or they are appealing and most likely only last for a date or two and move to the next girl.

They have to ask themselves what they are willing to deal with for the higher amounts or how many guys and how much effort do they want to put in to continually search.

There are a few high GPS SB'S in my area that I see on the site all the time. They clearly haven't found on long term SD that's willing to meet their needs and need to keep looking for the next target.

[QUOTE=Kellster;2747384]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

This is a good apprach.

Just to be clear, I don't agree with that SB. Just wanted to share how she was thinking.

[QUOTE=BamBam;2747253]This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".

Bam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747530]Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?[/QUOTE]Her being able to host is a huge plus. I'd put in the time and effort to work on the sex. It'll pay huge dividends in the long-term. Explore what she's into and keep the cash flowing. You'll eventually get what you want out of it.