Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Willow1535;4156155]I have not seen Trixie or Cristen in person, but I have seen their pictures / ads. They would both fall under the category of " I wouldn't fuck them, if they were giving it away". Guys, come on. Neither one of these two women are remotely attractive and I don't care if they are cheap. You can do better in a local dive bar on any weekend night for the cost of a bucket of beers.[/QUOTE]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).

My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).

Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.

There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).

My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).

Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.

There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.[/QUOTE]But a gummy BBBJ sounds a little like someone's grandma giving a blow-job and that's definitely a johnso shriveler IMHO!

I read his review of Trixie and was able to get through most of it, until he mentioned DATY. Thinking of that made me want to puke. To each his own. One thing that I am grateful for is that he wrote the review. At a minimum, I can go back and look at his history of posts and try to avoid anyone that he has been with.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]But sure enough, there is a rave review on Trixie, from a guy who's seen her multiple times recently, and loves the fact that the loss of her teeth due to heavy drug use enables her to do a "gummy". (Similar remarks have been made about Cristen Cremes in the past.).

My thoughts: You're kidding me, right? (No, he isn't kidding.).

Not to judge another hobbyist's taste (trying not to, anyway), but this illustrates yet again a real gap among us in terms of minimal standards.

There is a certain percentage of hobbyists who are just looking for cheap providers who will do almost anything, without any discernible quality standards.[/QUOTE]

Obviously, this is not my call. I'm just throwing this out there.

Both the forum and the classified site (to the best of my knowledge) already has a "no transgender" rule. (I believe what the mod said was, "this is a place for men who have always been men, and women who have always been women.) So it isn't a wide-open field, even now.

This is good. Otherwise, we would be flooded with trannies, and guys who like trannies.

A similar screening might be applied to providers who are super-rough, or who are just plain fat. (Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig, in other words.).

This would, I think, get rid of the low end of the market. From the perspective of the management, it would put USAG on track to compete with some of the higher end sites. And that's where the money is in this business, I would think. Not with the $60 gummy blow jobs from addicts.

Again, not my call. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4159017]Obviously, this is not my call. I'm just throwing this out there.

Both the forum and the classified site (to the best of my knowledge) already has a "no transgender" rule. (I believe what the mod said was, "this is a place for men who have always been men, and women who have always been women.) So it isn't a wide-open field, even now.

This is good. Otherwise, we would be flooded with trannies, and guys who like trannies.

A similar screening might be applied to providers who are super-rough, or who are just plain fat. (Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig, in other words.).

This would, I think, get rid of the low end of the market. From the perspective of the management, it would put USAG on track to compete with some of the higher end sites. And that's where the money is in this business, I would think. Not with the $60 gummy blow jobs from addicts.

Again, not my call. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]I think one way to weed out some of the Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig would be for USAAC to have a field (s) for a provider to enter a personal website or social media handle. In my experience the providers who take time to develop a website and / or are active on social media like switter or Twitter tend to be more reliable and have their shit together. This is not a perfect litmus test but providers who have very little to zero internet footprint go right to the bottom of the list for me.

You want a list. You have probably Been With most of them. LOL And lets get rid of the SW reports also with the low end providers Then we need to weed out the middle priced ones too! That way All of us horny fuckers Would be doing 3 or 4 providers. Hell they would be worn out in a week or so. Then WHAT? Trannys? Not my style, Maybe yours. We don't dictate whos on here as providers. It your choice who you see and fuck. Lets keep it that way Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=MontgomeryMm67;4159043]I think one way to weed out some of the Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig would be for USAAC to have a field (s) for a provider to enter a personal website or social media handle. In my experience the providers who take time to develop a website and / or are active on social media like switter or Twitter tend to be more reliable and have their shit together. This is not a perfect litmus test but providers who have very little to zero internet footprint go right to the bottom of the list for me.[/QUOTE]As someone who has helped a number of professional and businesslike ladies develop personal websites, with the "Dark Days of 2018" having a personal website isn't as easy as it once was. Gone are the "FREE" sites, ones that have some pop up advertising for other sites for example. It is really a difficult era that we are in now.

USAAC is just one of a very few sites where ladies can advertise for free. It is better than any other out there. Now that being said, many of the ladies who used to advertise on BP and are no better than SW with cell phones have inundated the site and the ladies who are professional and on top of their game are lost in the chaff. By site rules, a lady can only have ONE ad per city, but look at the number that violate that rule. Are you tired of seeing the same ad all day long? I am. I wish the site would take down any additional ad by a provider. The last ad posted should be the one that stays up, Take down any other ad (ads). Make the playing field even for all by each lady only having one ad per city per day.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4158486]
Not to judge another hobbyist's taste...[/QUOTE]But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.

Listcrawler / alligator, whatever. Has become overrun with spammers and bots. The key is either TGTBT, out of town area code, or only an email listed. By the way, here in the 513 code I don't consider Columbus, Louisville, Cleveland, or Toledo "out of town" for these purposes because many will travel the short distance for a week or so to make some money. Maybe I should have said "out of state?

Anyway, I'm familiar with USA classifieds, but with craigslist and backpage gone, are there any other alternatives? Please PM with any specific advice.

Much appreciated!

When it comes to heroin addicts, fatties, skanks, etc, I don't think that mongers who seek these types out prefer them. It comes down to what they can afford or what they are willing to pay. Pure and simple. At the end of the day, if you only have $5. 00 to spend, you're heading to McDonalds for a value meal; not The Precinct.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4159305]But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.[/QUOTE]

I am 99.9 percent sure that you and I don't share the same tastes in women my friend. I agree, it is your personal choice to see whoever you want to. I just want to make sure that I avoid seeing, if possible, any of the low budget talent that you and others, like you, spend time with.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;4159062idon’t]You want a list. You have probably Been With most of them. LOL And lets get rid of the SW reports also with the low end providers Then we need to weed out the middle priced ones too! That way All of us horny fuckers Would be doing 3 or 4 providers. Hell they would be worn out in a week or so. Then WHAT? Trannys? Not my style, Maybe yours. We don't dictate whos on here as providers. It your choice who you see and fuck. Lets keep it that way Lenny6746.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Willow1535;4159511]...At the end of the day, if you only have $5. 00 to spend, you're heading to McDonalds for a value meal; not The Precinct.[/QUOTE]I totally understand your point, but a point that I want to make is this: if you only have $5 you shouldn't walk into The Precinct and demand to get a steak. So why do so many guys read an ad, see the quoted rates, but still call the lady and try to get them to lower their price? I'm in sales and if someone called me and wanted me to sell my product at a 50% or higher discount I would laugh at them. It's my product my STATED price.

It's demeaning and creates ill will with the provider.

I think the ladies should just reply to a low ball price offer with simply "RTFA" which means Read The Fuckin Ad like we tell newbies to RTFF.

Now if you want to get someone for less, eventually, see them once or twice and pay for just a half hour. After you feel that you are compatible with her and seem to have developed a business relationship, then ask if you promise to see her on a schedule would she CONSIDER giving you a Frequent Fucker Discount.

If not move on you will find someone willing eventually. But you have been business-like and courteous.

If she does, then keep up you end of the deal and see her weekly or whatever was agreed to. Plus keep the arrangements to yourself. Saying "she sucked me for $xx. " in a review only causes her grief.

[QUOTE=Nky2000;4154751]You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.[/QUOTE]If you guys want to have sex with chubby girls in sweatpants who aren't going to at least ACT like they are into it, couldn't you just stay home and fuck your wives?

Call me a 10%er. A 5%er. A 0. 5%er. I'm not wasting my time on low quality.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4159667]I totally understand your point, but a point that I want to make is this: if you only have $5 you shouldn't walk into The Precinct and demand to get a steak. So why do so many guys read an ad, see the quoted rates, but still call the lady and try to get them to lower their price? I'm in sales and if someone called me and wanted me to sell my product at a 50% or higher discount I would laugh at them. It's my product my STATED price.

It's demeaning and creates ill will with the provider.

I think the ladies should just reply to a low ball price offer with simply "RTFA" which means Read The Fuckin Ad like we tell newbies to RTFF.

Now if you want to get someone for less, eventually, see them once or twice and pay for just a half hour. After you feel that you are compatible with her and seem to have developed a business relationship, then ask if you promise to see her on a schedule would she CONSIDER giving you a Frequent Fucker Discount.

If not move on you will find someone willing eventually. But you have been business-like and courteous.

If she does, then keep up you end of the deal and see her weekly or whatever was agreed to. Plus keep the arrangements to yourself. Saying "she sucked me for $xx. " in a review only causes her grief.[/QUOTE]I see a provider regularly and she offered me a discount without my asking. Same day and time every week. A tip goes a long way also.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4159305]But you are. Some guy's like fatties, some like heroin addicts, some like anything with a wet hole to stick their dick in. The board has a rule about judging someone's preferences and activities so don't do it.

Maybe you should start an User Forum for reviewing and discussing women you prefer. As a former Moderator on the dead Indy-pendent site, I know how much work it takes to "herd the cats" that post. In the first post, just set the guidelines for posting and see where it goes.

Be part of attempting to improve the site, don't just sit back and observe.[/QUOTE]You may ultimately be right about the difficulty of herding the cats. But when a tranny posts (I remember it happened a few years ago) he / she was gone within hours. So it can be done. I think the issue is more one of collective will than feasibility.

Like you said, a sizable percentage of the men here seem to prefer Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig. (Or at least they're wiling to settle for them.) The ultimate answer may be that this has become a low-end venue, and there's nothing that can be done about it.

At the end of the day, online communities (just like real ones) do seem to naturally trend toward specialization. There's probably a reason why girls like Bianca Carlisle don't post here, or on the USA classified site. (I would imagine that the problem *isn't* that they don't know it's here.).

They sense, rather, that this isn't their market. Over the years, this has become a venue for cheap, low-end streetscorts and the guys who prefer them. No one specifically planned it that way, but it happened.

Do any of you remember Buddah? I dealt with him back in 2004, pre-USAG days. Back then, his girls weren't necessarily stunners, but they were solidly in the middling category.

Then he came here, and almost immediately he started hiring obese women and addicts. Like, almost overnight. I asked him about it. He basically said (I'm paraphrasing) "You can only get so much when the guys are only willing to pay $80. ".

I think the larger question, for those of us who aren't happy with the quality here, is: Is there any way to improve it? Or is it simply impossible for the two markets to coexist in the same forum / venue?

The metaphor of McDonald's vs the Precinct keeps coming up. You will notice that no one tries to make those two radically different business models coexist in the same restaurant. It may ultimately be the same case here.