Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Willow1535;4152146]I agree with you 100%. If I am paying for it, I am looking for a fantasy girl. I am willing to pay for quality, but it is severely lacking in this area.[/QUOTE]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.

As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.

I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".

Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.

Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.

I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.

Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.

To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.

As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.

I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.

In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.

The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).

There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.

As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.

I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".

Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.

Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.

I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.

Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.

To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.

As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.

I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.

In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.

The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).

There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]Agree completely with you Todd. There are still a few put there but it is getting hard. Too many times the ravens here make. Me wonder if the reviewers have started to fall into the chemicals. With so. Few legitimate sites left and the quality decreasing I keep finding myself not getting anything. Since when was it so hard to be a monger. There are also too many on eros anymore that are also scammerw and not worth the money they ask. We need a few really cute enthusiastic providers willing to be in the range you stated who stay clean and have lower volume.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.

As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.

I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".

Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.

Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.

I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.

Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.

To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.

As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.

I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.

In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.

The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).

There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]$80 for 15 minutes of sex is pretty good money! Why would I pay $120 or $160? That's $320 an hour in my book. I'm not sure how that equates to "cheap".

[QUOTE=JimJaimes;4152407]$80 for 15 minutes of sex is pretty good money! Why would I pay $120 or $160? That's $320 an hour in my book. I'm not sure how that equates to "cheap".[/QUOTE]Her calculation is: How much money do I need, to make it worthwhile to have sex with a guy who is old enough to be my dad, who I'm (probably) not all that attracted to? How much money do I need to make it worth the not insubstantial physical, reputational, and legal risks?

And for most college girl types, that isn't $80. It's more like $200 to $350.

On the other hand, if the woman is a strung-out addict who just wants some quick cash to get another hit, then $80 is more than enough. And yes, women like that will see the logic of your minute-based calculation.

I've also been around since the Clinton years. Before even. Kind of embarrassed to say so.

Anyway Todd nailed it. You can have all the fat drug users you want for $125. Gross. You can have them. Seems to me 90% of USA fits in this category. That or traumatized, unstable types. Very, very few who aren't overweight, don't smoke and who don't have some sort of baggage. It's personal preference, but I agree with what's been said.

You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152249]This is another factor often cited as a reason for accepting providers who are over-the-hill, obese, or obvious drug users.

As I've mentioned before, I fled from a meeting with Pretty Cameron, because she reminded me of a bull dyke in a women's prison, and she had a gut overhanging her waistband.

I'd read rave reviews about her "performance".

Guys: I don't care. If a woman is completely unattractive / fat / etc, I don't care how "enthusiastic" she is. Just. No.

Likewise for Bad Kookie, who seems to have had a few too many cookies.

I've also read a lot of raves about Cristen Cremes. To me she looks rough and old and like a drug user. Sorry! But that's just the honest truth.

Now, let me be clear: Many of these women have unfortunate backstories. There is always a place for kindness and tact. When I turned down Cameron I didn't insult her to her face. (And neither should you.) I made like I was an overly nervous first-timer who just couldn't go through with it. Cristen Cremes, I'm sure, needs some help. But I'm not going to have sex with her. No.

To address a related issue: cost. I'm not a "sky's the limit" kind of guy. I have been holding off on seeing Bianca Carlisle because, jeez, $500 is a lot of dough.

As others have noted, Eros isn't what it used to be, either. Alexandra Kole is on there constantly: She's a 40+, way-past-her-prime provider who is trying to sell $600 appointments. She's not a $600 provider.

I've noticed that most of the Eros girls constantly tour. They aren't doing this to accumulate Marriott points. They're chasing the small numbers of guys who are wiling to pay $500. (Hint: There aren't that many, unless the girl is *really* exceptional, and that means exceptional by Todd Cincy standards.) Bianca Carlisle would be able to print money if she charged $300, and she wouldn't have to travel. But I doubt she would be open to that suggestion.

In my experience (and I've been doing this since Bill Clinton was president) $200 to $350 is the range where supply meets demand, where the rate is high enough to consistently attract quality girls, but the rate is low enough that a significant number of men are willing to pay it.

The problem now in the Cincinnati market is that we lack this mid-range. On one hand, we've got Bianca Carlisle chasing $500 appointments. On the other hand, we have the bulk of the USAG guys looking for $80 appointments. (At $80, you'll get nothing but Jenny Crack and Jenny Craig.).

There is a lot of money to be made in that mid range, IMO. But right now we only have the two extremes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4152690]Her calculation is: How much money do I need, to make it worthwhile to have sex with a guy who is old enough to be my dad, who I'm (probably) not all that attracted to? How much money do I need to make it worth the not insubstantial physical, reputational, and legal risks?

And for most college girl types, that isn't $80. It's more like $200 to $350.

On the other hand, if the woman is a strung-out addict who just wants some quick cash to get another hit, then $80 is more than enough. And yes, women like that will see the logic of your minute-based calculation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;4152912]...You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.[/QUOTE]Well said.

You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.

[QUOTE=FitAndHung;4152912]I've also been around since the Clinton years. Before even. Kind of embarrassed to say so.

Anyway Todd nailed it. You can have all the fat drug users you want for $125. Gross. You can have them. Seems to me 90% of USA fits in this category. That or traumatized, unstable types. Very, very few who aren't overweight, don't smoke and who don't have some sort of baggage. It's personal preference, but I agree with what's been said.

You got to pay up in life to get the good stuff.[/QUOTE]

I made a old report about Cristen Creams Saying I would never stick my dick in her. Well apparently I Have. The thing is I didn't know it was her. She called herself Natasha. It was over 4 years ago she was doing out calls at that time and had more weight on her. She was on Backpage / Any how I did a repeat with her and she ripped me off for 70. The last time I saw her she was in dirty sweats and had me finger her for a LEO check. Well it smelled so bad I got in my car and took off I didn't know they were the same provider until this morning. She posted one pic of her she used on Backpage along with her new ones. On listcrawler It was a shock to me so bad my dick shriveled up and I almost pissed my pants. He better come out on my next provider. This is all true Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=Nky2000;4154751]You guys should call yourselves the 10%ers. We all want providers that look like Ryder and perform like Lady J. The closest I've seen Is the young lady that worked with EE with the Anchor tattoo on her leg. Damn she could bring it. I'm talking about this Ryder who is no longer in the game but she did come to the door in sweats and that would ruin it for some of you.[/QUOTE]I love women who can carry sweatpants or as you posted, yoga pants are mostly hot too. I have seen providers in sweats that make little John shrivel up.

Random pic posted for reference.

Peace.

Ob.

It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.

Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.

You are playing Russian roulette with any provider you see. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are safe. Maybe you should stick to playing golf.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.

Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.

Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]Golfguy, I always chuckle when I read your posts and golf analogies. As far as Trixie goes, the pics tell the whole story. EEEEEEWWWWWWW! Let alone the reviews. I think skipping the hole and taking a double bogey on the scorecard is the correct play here. Your tee shot will probably land in the rough, and you will end up in a bunker or two before you reach the uneven burnt up dead green. Good luck getting up and down from a sand trap into that hole!!

Take care and be safe!

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.

Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]Very well put! I have seen a couple providers that I was embarrased to say that I have seen so I have not reviewed them (don't know what I was thinking and / or thought I was seeing), those I have tipped and walked away. I have also posted reviews on a couple ladies that I wish I had not reviewed, as I would like to think that I had a little better taste. After reading Trixie's ad and seeing her pics all I can say is. Well said! I wouldn't play this hole even with your putter.

I have not seen Trixie or Cristen in person, but I have seen their pictures / ads. They would both fall under the category of " I wouldn't fuck them, if they were giving it away". Guys, come on. Neither one of these two women are remotely attractive and I don't care if they are cheap. You can do better in a local dive bar on any weekend night for the cost of a bucket of beers.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]It always bothers / scares / worries me when old used up providers come back for one last go around. For instance, where has she been the last few years? Prison? Bad relationship? Living on the streets homeless? I've never seen her, not now upon her triumphant return or back in 2011 when she was with Buddah. She sent me a PM begging me to come see her again. I had no clue who she was. What bothers / scares me the most is she says, and others he verified, that she'll do anything you want to do to her or her to you for $60. Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.

Golfguy, playing through and skipping this hole.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4155846]Reports say she's used up and has no teeth. What else does she have, or not have? Young (less than 50) year old people with no teeth get that way from drugs and disease, infectious and contagious. You see her you're playing Russian roulette IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nky2000;4156051]You are playing Russian roulette with any provider you see. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are safe. Maybe you should stick to playing golf.[/QUOTE]You see anyone you're not in a long time monogamous relationship with, even a non-provider, you are playing Russian roulette. However, the difference here is the number rounds are in the revolver. A girlfriend in high school might only have 1 round, but if you're that unlucky, that's all that's needed. A provider whose been in the business for 20 years to feed a 20 year habit probably has all the chambers loaded; your only hope is a misfire.