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[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]I had the same question in mind!
[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]The group of girls was busted at Brook, while the guys were mostly busted on Broad.
[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]I've heard of LE waiting for some one to leave a room (or on the way to the room) and then try to scare a confession out of them*. They will wait until they've got alot of male customers busted then send in UC to bust the girls.
They could have easily busted that many people, the motel on Broad and Glenside is like a brothel.
*I was pulled on JD because I "drove by a known prostitution spot several times". Luckily I had a legit reason, but the LE was trying to scare a false confession out of me.
[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]I have the same questions. Did LE arrest the girls and them use them to snare the unsuspecting hobbyists that came along afterwards? And, if Cierra is back advertising again, is she now working with LE to better her situation? I'm not clear on exactly what's needed to prove a solicitation charge but it seems to me that at least some part of the transaction would have to be witnessed by LE or else one party to the transaction would have to testify against the other.
[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]
When they do Stings like that its not all at the same time. This Bust happened over 3 days.
Drew
With all the reports of stings and busts is anyone seeing anyone?
[QUOTE=Ontheback50]I have the same questions. Did LE arrest the girls and them use them to snare the unsuspecting hobbyists that came along afterwards? And, if Cierra is back advertising again, is she now working with LE to better her situation? I'm not clear on exactly what's needed to prove a solicitation charge but it seems to me that at least some part of the transaction would have to be witnessed by LE or else one party to the transaction would have to testify against the other.[/QUOTE]
On the misdemeanor charges, LE has to either witness the act, or one of the parties has to confess. The cops are well trained at getting you to admit your guilt, and most people run their mouth when they should keep it shut.
"The act" varies from state to state - in Colorado and some other states, for example, all the undercover cop has to do is see the money to be exchanged after a verbal agreement is made; in many states, the money actually has to change hands (this is called "hand to palm") and in some states, there only has to be the verbal agreement to the exchange of something of value for sex. The fact that the hand-to-palm rule is common in so many states is why many traveling girls make you put the money on a table or in an envelope.
Here's a link to a video that EVERYONE should watch. It covers a lot of ground and provides a lot of helpful info on how you can use your rights as a citizen to prevent getting busted. Watch how the cops work in this video very carefully - it's informative and useful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin]On the misdemeanor charges, LE has to either witness the act, or one of the parties has to confess. The cops are well trained at getting you to admit your guilt, and most people run their mouth when they should keep it shut.
"The act" varies from state to state - in Colorado and some other states, for example, all the undercover cop has to do is see the money to be exchanged after a verbal agreement is made; in many states, the money actually has to change hands (this is called "hand to palm") and in some states, there only has to be the verbal agreement to the exchange of something of value for sex. The fact that the hand-to-palm rule is common in so many states is why many traveling girls make you put the money on a table or in an envelope.
Here's a link to a video that EVERYONE should watch. It covers a lot of ground and provides a lot of helpful info on how you can use your rights as a citizen to prevent getting busted. Watch how the cops work in this video very carefully - it's informative and useful.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA[/url][/QUOTE]Good points Cantwinlosin and the link is really good. I am sure most of the customers or the ladies confessed under pressure. Cops cannot arrest anyone for having sex without a proof of money exchange.
My guts says to stay away from the Motels and cheap Hotels (like XXX Inns) for sometime. Good Hotels are always safe.
One more thing came to my mind. How Cops are picking up the Customers. I guess its the two call system most of the providers follow. They tell you the Hotel name and asks to call from the parking space. You reach and you park your car. Then get out of it and call her for the room number. Many times providers takes 5-10 mins to pick up, even more. That time you will be standing or roaming in the parking area or infront of the Hotel. That may draw Cop's attention.
So I guess better to have the room number before you arrive and enter right away in the Hotel after parking your car.
[QUOTE=Jeson Bourne]
My guts says to stay away from the Motels and cheap Hotels (like XXX Inns) for sometime. [u]Good Hotels are always safe.[/u]
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I wouldn't bet the bank on that statement.
Holy shit. This girl is young, sweet, cute as a button and fucks like an animal. She is a total GFE gusher girl next door and I did not want her to leave. Worth every penny, too bad funds are so low or I would never let her go.
She is on the ave and is my new ATF
Be cool to her guys.
[QUOTE=Jeson Bourne]
One more thing came to my mind. How Cops are picking up the Customers. I guess its the two call system most of the providers follow. They tell you the Hotel name and asks to call from the parking space. You reach and you park your car. Then get out of it and call her for the room number. Many times providers takes 5-10 mins to pick up, even more. That time you will be standing or roaming in the parking area or infront of the Hotel. That may draw Cop's attention.
So I guess better to have the room number before you arrive and enter right away in the Hotel after parking your car.[/QUOTE]Not so sure about all of that either. Lot of newbies just stupid and getting caught in reverse. Some not new but just too thirsty for something new and hot.
Good luck in getting provider to do it your way and just give you all info that leaves her completely vulnerable. They don't give room number until you are there for a reason.
Bottom line this stuff has some inherent risk. Thing is if hobbyist stick to the steadfast rules the worst that can usually happen is getting beat out of some money. I'll take the risk of getting beat out of some money over getting arrested any day.
[QUOTE=Superman06]I wouldn't bet the bank on that statement.[/QUOTE]
In Atlanta, The Intercontinental in Buckhead was the place LEO used for stings so you can't use hotel quality as any measure of safety.
In the news today is an announcement that multiple states AGs are pushing CL owners to drop the Adult category (including Va). If this happens (which is doubtful) LE interest will move to other boards to sting offenders. We all know that CL/BP is a huge risk already as the primary playground for Vice. It is an endless source for busts since providers keep popping up there like Whack-a-moles at the fairground. They can keep their bosses happy with on the ball policing , the bosses can keep the politicos happy in keeping this heinous crime off the streets and out of the public view .
Lance, CL's argument on that issue has always been that if you eliminate the adult sections, the ads will just move to the other sections where they're harder to track/manage. That's what was happening before the adult sections were set up.
I agree with them. Already we have ads for adult services in other sections - even the "beauty" section. The extra policing by CL staff and the disallowing of explicit pictures has rendered the existing Adult Services section pretty much useless (unless you like phone sex, heh) and the ads have moved to BP and elsewhere. But given time and pressure on the other sites, the ads will come back to CL - just in other sections.
The cops will still watch CL. And the ads will still appear somewhere. Unless someone gets tired of the stupidity, and sets up an offshore site that's untouchable by governmental threats.
Sorry for the late report, but still "recovering". OK good:
My situation being handicapped makes things difficult. She handled that well.
Nice friendly girl worked to please me.
Bad: photos make her look thick cute, but she is much bigger below. (I shoulda known) outcall to my home. Extra $ which I expected.
Way late like 2 hours.
Told me she showered right before, but. Smokers breath also and I asked for dfk so freash mouth woulda been expected.
Wasn't really into any of it except nice CBJ.
Wouldn't repeat for free.
Go for it if you just want FS and CBJ with nice bbw otherwise avoid.
Sorry
Hey,
I found this one on CL.
She said she lives off JD.
She is 24 yrs old,and is willing to do half and half for $.
Does anyone know anything about her?
[QUOTE=Gary Va]Hey,
I found this one on CL.
She said she lives off JD.
She is 24 yrs old,and is willing to do half and half for $.
Does anyone know anything about her?[/QUOTE]Woman in that pic is older than 24, I'm pretty sure. TOFTT Gary? She's kind of thick.
I don't totally agree with that. LE can only investigate and accuse you or anyone of a crime. You remain accused until you plead guilty or found guilty in a court of law. Read the law - an admission to committing a crime is not an admission of guilt and can only be used as evidence against you. That's only after you've been "Miranidized." Anything prior to a Miranda warning can't be used against you. You can talk all you want, but LE and state attorney's still have to investigate a confession to make sure it's valid. A confession is not enough evidence to formally charge anyone or convict you. The only real confession is when someone pleads guilty.
LE's job is to obtain the evidence needed to formally charge you - misdemeanor or not. They don't have to actually witness a crime. A complainant or witness to a crime are other ways - including video tapes, recordings and surveillance cameras. Circumstantial evidence can also be enough to formally charge someone even convict them. You don't need LE to charge someone. You or anyone can go to a magistrate's office, accuse someone of a crime or a crime committed against you and have them formally charged.
Speaking of confessions .. there are certainly enough of those around here and on related sites in the form of well-written and detailed reviews.
[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin]On the misdemeanor charges, LE has to either witness the act, or one of the parties has to confess. The cops are well trained at getting you to admit your guilt, and most people run their mouth when they should keep it shut.
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(Happy Thursday! Need money for school!)
Found her on BP and decided to TOFTT and I should have stayed home. One of her pics is fake or old I don't know but I can say that she has tatts all over her butt and not in the pics. Its just as Phatt just not as clean as it appears with a slight odor and also has a scar there as well. Don't expect any GFE at all just a shitty disrespectful attitude. I've never had a provider send a text in the middle of a visit. She doesn't enjoy what she does at all and she's really boring with no personality. YM(willnot)V I'm sure of it. CBJ was not good at all 1.5 for half. I usually try to stick with the reviewed ones but I took a gamble and lost.
Looks 5 (heavy make up and you can still see the craters)
Body 7 (would be higher if it wasn't for the odor)
Attitude 1
If you stick to the rules then you will be fine. Its the thirsty ones that don't play by the rules that end up with a court date. As someone said in a earlier post. I would rather loose a few bill rather than have my name and address in the local paper.
[QUOTE=Mallen345]I hate to show my ignorance here, but, exactly how does LE go in and bust 20 customers and 6 girls in one event?
I can see maybe one or even two girls, the pimp, or a few clients but not all of that at once.[/QUOTE]
I have it from a good source that LE busted the CL girls first and then planted cops posing as the CL girl with the phone etc.
This is how they got 20 guys so beware of any CL or BP connection.
J
[QUOTE=Salvaone]Thats Crystal. She has a room on the north side.[/QUOTE]Very late follow up, but I did see her the next morning. $50.pleasant. Good bbj, ok looks, a bit rough, stretch marks looks like form losing weight/kids. She was fresh out of the shower and snugger than I expected. All the talk about red hair doesn't matter as much if you don't have carpet to compare the drapes to. Did the job, but I'd try someone alse before I'd return.
She called me a few days later, saying she was supposed to call me back. I explained that she did and she saw me. And not a good idea to call if not called first.
RM, I don't disagree with you - I am not a lawyer, so I can only go by what I read and see, and the points you make are valid from a legal-theory and civics-class view of the system.
However, I *have* been busted in this game, long ago in a galaxy far far away, so I have some practical experience... and in my experience, the theory differs some from the real world. As a practical matter, the judge rubber-stamps whatever the cops do unless there is some obvious, gross error, and the cops are well trained on what they need to do to get enough evidence so that the judge can comfortably convict. There's no doubt that people run their mouths when they should be quiet, and the cops are also well-trained in getting people to do this. In these situations most end up pleading guilty or nolo contendre - the only way you have a prayer against this sort of charge is to hire a good attorney and pay thru the nose, and even then your chances are slim.
Moreover, these day with arrest records being accessible to job-screening services, and nonsense like the "Gotcha!" rags and the PD websites spreading your picture all over town, just being arrested can ruin your career, your marriage, your friendships, even if you're ultimately ruled innocent.
Now, where and when I was busted, the suspect is only issued a summons like a traffic ticket (no trip to the precinct, no mug shot or fingerprints) but unlike traffic court you had to show up before the judge; the fine and costs totaled about $400 back then. Things are different here and now, but the rules of evidence are still pretty similar. Those rules of evidence are somewhat different between misdemeanors and felonies, due to the higher standards needed to convict on a felony. But the general rule of thumb remains: keep your wits about you, don't let the cop see you exchange money for sex, and don't admit that you did anything illegal, and you are FAR less likely to be arrested.
That's also the gist of the video link I posted previously - if you didn't view it, I really do recommend it. Once you get to that YouTube page, there are some links to some other related videos that are good as well.
Saw Marie this afternoon. Nice location. Very nice GFE: dfk, daty, which she really got into. Fantastic French lesson. Multiple cups. All I can say is "Wow!"
I visited Audi last week. OMG. The girl rocked my world!
I am new to this site, so don't really know what more to say. But this girl really made my day! Not only did she fsck the Hell out of me, but she allowed me to take her to TGIF's afterwards. Only problem is that she will not answer her phone to let me see her again. I WILL keep trying cause I really want to see her again and again. Her ad says she is not on drugs and somehow I do believe that. Wish there were more like her out here!
To quickly address some recent comments here: I have a friend whom I trust who is very experienced with the criminal justice system, and knows the law in theory and practice. Based on many conversations with that friend I think the only way to go if confronted with LEO is to shut your mouth completely, except for 2 things: asking whether you're under arrest or are free to leave, and (dpending on the answer to that) saying you don't want to talk and you want to see a lawyer. You have to be clear and unequivocal about the lawyer. If you are, they are supposed to stop asking you questions.
You aren't ever going to talk your way out of trouble. If they're going to arrest you, they're going to do so regardless of what you say. And thinking that you've got an advantage because you haven't yet heard them say "you have the right to remain silent. " is just stupid. You always have that right, regardless of whether they tell you. Use it. It's your best friend.
Thanks, Hilbilly!
I really did appreciate our time together. Sorry that I have not been answering my phone. I have visitation with my daughter. She has been keeping me really busy. I saw that you have tried to call. I will be back in business after Monday and will call you back then. I hope that I can see you again. To the others here. Sorry that I hit and ran, but my daughter comes first. Hope ya'll can understand that.
Audi
[QUOTE=Hilbilly]I visited Audi last week. OMG. The girl rocked my world!
I am new to this site, so don't really know what more to say. But this girl really made my day! Not only did she fsck the Hell out of me, but she allowed me to take her to TGIF's afterwards. Only problem is that she will not answer her phone to let me see her again. I WILL keep trying cause I really want to see her again and again. Her ad says she is not on drugs and somehow I do believe that. Wish there were more like her out here![/QUOTE]
Ok. Another great lady. Just trying to get by. Very much comfortable and unrushed. She is in the Midlothian Turnpike area. Advertising on CL. WOW!
Two drug free providers in one week. I am blessed. I gave her the info on this site and she says she will post an ad here. Anyhow. I wish her luck!
Ya'll have a fabulous weekend!
[QUOTE=Hilbilly]I visited Audi last week. OMG. The girl rocked my world!
I am new to this site, so don't really know what more to say. But this girl really made my day! Not only did she fsck the Hell out of me, but she allowed me to take her to TGIF's afterwards. Only problem is that she will not answer her phone to let me see her again. I WILL keep trying cause I really want to see her again and again. Her ad says she is not on drugs and somehow I do believe that. Wish there were more like her out here![/QUOTE]
Welcome to the site.
That said, it's good to see a review about a provider by someone, but it needs some more information. For example, what page did you see this on? Backpage, Craigslist, etc? Got a link?
Another thing is...she allowed you to take her and get some food? WTF man? You don't have to do that. That's the best thing about the hobby.
As for her not answering the phone, it's probably better that way. Don't make the mistake of thinking that she likes you because of what happened. She doesn't give a damn. She only likely went out with you to get some free food, sorry to say. And I'd advise against repeatedly calling her before you get slapped with harassment charges.
But don't fret. There's a wide world of great TEMPORARY companions for you to enjoy. These are not the kind of people to put much long-term faith into.
Peace.
Is it just me or anyone else see the boat load of new members with the reviews. Wonder who to trust with the le activity
Stay safe
S2568
We are all like the Seven Deadly Venoms. We don't know or want to know who each other are. Some of us are laborers, some fast food servers, some professionals w/degrees, others just an unemployed joke with some extra extra cash. Many of us probably wouldn't socialize with each other, because of class, money, race, religious or unreligious preference. But here, we are all the same. Anonymous Professors of the Hobby. Take each criticize as a tool, and use it. Be brass and be busted.
Oh yeah, and if you do! Share with your fellow Brethen, so that might not maketh the same.
Point is learn from each other no matter who gives the knowledge, knowledge is always good.
[QUOTE=Scwrt006]To quickly address some recent comments here: I have a friend whom I trust who is very experienced with the criminal justice system, and knows the law in theory and practice. Based on many conversations with that friend I think the only way to go if confronted with LEO is to shut your mouth completely, except for 2 things: asking whether you're under arrest or are free to leave, and (dpending on the answer to that) saying you don't want to talk and you want to see a lawyer. You have to be clear and unequivocal about the lawyer. If you are, they are supposed to stop asking you questions.
You aren't ever going to talk your way out of trouble. If they're going to arrest you, they're going to do so regardless of what you say. And thinking that you've got an advantage because you haven't yet heard them say "you have the right to remain silent. " is just stupid. You always have that right, regardless of whether they tell you. Use it. It's your best friend.[/QUOTE]
I know I ain't have to do the dinner thing
Was just so refreshing to find a provider who doesn't want to dart out the door to go find shit that you hardly have time to pull your pants back up.
Wish it was more common place.
Thanks for the welcome.
I didn't find her from any site. Her friend Rachael introduced me to her.
She was at the City Motel. Hope that she moves up from there. She called me back telling me that she had her kid with her was why she wasn't answering her phone. Next week will tell more. Like they say. Time tells all.
[QUOTE=Max Steel]Welcome to the site.
That said, it's good to see a review about a provider by someone, but it needs some more information. For example, what page did you see this on? Backpage, Craigslist, etc? Got a link?
Another thing is...she allowed you to take her and get some food? WTF man? You don't have to do that. That's the best thing about the hobby.
As for her not answering the phone, it's probably better that way. Don't make the mistake of thinking that she likes you because of what happened. She doesn't give a damn. She only likely went out with you to get some free food, sorry to say. And I'd advise against repeatedly calling her before you get slapped with harassment charges.
But don't fret. There's a wide world of great TEMPORARY companions for you to enjoy. These are not the kind of people to put much long-term faith into.
Peace.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=S2568]Is it just me or anyone else see the boat load of new members with the reviews. Wonder who to trust with the le activity
Stay safe
S2568[/QUOTE]Lotta new girls on BP and CL too, personally I'd call most TGTBT (I recognize several that I know for a fact are from porn sets), but would love to hear if any of them are real.
New members that appear to be reviewing each other.
[QUOTE=S2568]Is it just me or anyone else see the boat load of new members with the reviews. Wonder who to trust with the le activity
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[QUOTE=Richmond Man]New members that appear to be reviewing each other.[/QUOTE]I smelled, I mean noticed that too.
Well I was bored today looking for a good provider, Horny and bored is a bad combination lol. couldn't find much ended up seeing this lady named Monica. A nice Thick lady
[url]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-round-booty_-jaw-dropping-and-toe-curling-_-hott-_-experience-_-27/3855568[/url]
She has a room with a Mif named Eden, on BP in the Innsbrook area. She looked a little older in the face, she was pleasant. Big booty. She gave good CBJ and we did Doggie for awhile and first pop was there. We tried mish and more K9 and CG positions. She tried HJ but couldn't get that second pop. She tried hard though. She cleaned me up with baby wipes. She was very freindly
I may try Eden if I get a chance.
Drew
[QUOTE=Drewsky66]Well I was bored today looking for a good provider, Horny and bored is a bad combination lol. couldn't find much ended up seeing this lady named Monica. A nice Thick lady
[url]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-round-booty_-jaw-dropping-and-toe-curling-_-hott-_-experience-_-27/3855568[/url]
She has a room with a Mif named Eden, on BP in the Innsbrook area. She looked a little older in the face, she was pleasant. Big booty. She gave good CBJ and we did Doggie for awhile and first pop was there. We tried mish and more K9 and CG positions. She tried HJ but couldn't get that second pop. She tried hard though. She cleaned me up with baby wipes. She was very freindly
I may try Eden if I get a chance.
Drew[/QUOTE]
I saw Monica up in Rockville, MD in July and concur with your report. She had a different roommate there. She seems to move around between Rockville, Springfield and Richmond. Very much worth seeing.
Oldtar
[url]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/1000-gfe-3-reasons-to-see-me-3hole-open-mined-no-rush-up-all-night/3848113[/url]
Been seeing this ad on BP for a bit. Looks like and potenitally interesting ride. Wondering if any of the members here have sampled.
[QUOTE=Illegal Smile][url]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/1000-gfe-3-reasons-to-see-me-3hole-open-mined-no-rush-up-all-night/3848113[/url]
Been seeing this ad on BP for a bit. Looks like and potenitally interesting ride. Wondering if any of the members here have sampled.[/QUOTE]I know for a fact of at least 2 other providers using those pics, and neither of them were her- I would be shocked if it was her.
I've been all around and haven't seen anything worth mentioning around the [QUOTE=Drewsky66]Well I was bored today looking for a good provider, Horny and bored is a bad combination LOL. Couldn't find much ended up seeing this lady named Monica. A nice Thick lady
[url]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-round-booty_-jaw-dropping-and-toe-curling-_-hott-_-experience-_-27/3855568[/url]
She has a room with a Mif named Eden, on BP in the Innsbrook area. She looked a little older in the face, she was pleasant. Big booty. She gave good CBJ and we did Doggie for awhile and first pop was there. We tried mish and more K9 and CG positions. She tried HJ but couldn't get that second pop. She tried hard though. She cleaned me up with baby wipes. She was very freindly
I may try Eden if I get a chance.
Drew[/QUOTE]Sounds like decent provider. Her prices are as much as younger hard body girls. I'm a fat chick magnet. If I preferred them probably wouldn't be in the hobby. When I was dead ass broke I was knocking big girls like her down for free 3-4 times a week but wasn't really enjoying it that much. For my coin and at those prices I need younger more fit punani.
I do understand though everyone likes different things and sometimes a provider really makes up for not being a dime by being a dime with her attitude, enthusiasm, and service.
On a side note: I was given contact info to a woman that must not have been expecting calls from anyone she didn't know or she was just a raging *****. The latter is not what was reviewed, rather was reviewed as sweet and a must C. Anyway called her and she pretty much cursed me out because she didn't know me or understand how I got her number. I was very calm, respectful, and nice. I tried to redirect her and assure I was not uncle leo and just was inquiring about spending some time. She continued to curse and behave in a PWT/Trairler Park manner. I just hung up.
When sharing info, please get permission and make women aware that they may be getting calls from people they don't know but they are cool people that can help put money in their pocket. Just an FYI. Maybe I'm just lost or going the wrong time can someone please set me straight.
Pm if you can.