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If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4037139]If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?[/QUOTE]Some of the answers to your questions are on page 2. Post 2846.
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When I ask questions, I found its easier using text. I tell them, Kandi offers me a wonderful girl friend experience with BBBJ and swallowing and multiple shots on our date. Then I ask " will I be happy with your services?" They just have to answer yes or no. CFS is expected but the BBBJ is not so the question of BBBJ lets you know if she is willing to go the extra mile on your date.
Hope you find page 2, Hope this Helps, Happy Hunting
Text now has worked great for me.
[QUOTE=EngrGuy;4034175]Maybe its time to share those apps we all like to use in order to not use your phone. Some like google, some like something else. Please share what works for you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Soupy3838;4037850]Text now has worked great for me.[/QUOTE]Text plus is another good option.
Textfree, TextNow and Talkatone are some others.
[QUOTE=WittDawg;4039407]Text plus is another good option.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4039686]Textfree, TextNow and Talkatone are some others.[/QUOTE]Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".
Guys who toftt are the most valuable contributors to this forum because there is a higher than usual amount of risk. When you are talking to the provider you do not want to talk too much about services or money because you don't know for sure who you are talking with. Assuming you have some idea of her services based off her online Ad I would focus on her rate since this is probably not posted. Find out what she is charging but keep it higher level. In other words ask her how much for a half hour appointment. Don't ask her how much for a hh BBBJ, hh full service, etc. And once you arrive do not pay up front. This can be difficult as some of the girls will ask for the donation up front. But at a first time meeting like that they are putting themselves, and you, at risk. Just explain that to them. One of those guys who got busted up north this summer said that when he entered the room the provider kept her back to him and told him to place the money on the night stand. She never even showed her face. Unusual behavior like that is definitely a sign to get the hell out of dodge. But regardless, by paying at the end of the appointment you avoid this scenario.
Definitely do not send the provider a picture of the donation as this is a trick LEO will use. And don't talk about going to the ATM to get money for the appointment. Both of these show your intent to pay for services.
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4037139]If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Benz1;4037532]Some of the answers to your questions are on page 2. Post 2846.
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When I ask questions, I found its easier using text. I tell them, Kandi offers me a wonderful girl friend experience with BBBJ and swallowing and multiple shots on our date. Then I ask " will I be happy with your services?" They just have to answer yes or no. CFS is expected but the BBBJ is not so the question of BBBJ lets you know if she is willing to go the extra mile on your date.
Hope you find page 2, Hope this Helps, Happy Hunting[/QUOTE]I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;4039810]I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.[/QUOTE]My texting is only after I've done the research on the number and ad. If you read the 12 steps on page 2 (I'll move it to page 1) it says track the ad for 2 or 3 days before texting because most Rip offs and LE don't post the same ad and number for 3 days in a row. A TOFTT effort requires research. Do not wake up on Friday / I want to fuck and find a new girl on STG. Chances are it will not be good.
My reference to texting is only after I reach step 5. I've done it many times . One thing I could ad is that most LE stings in a hotel room are using 2 rooms connected. take a few laps around the parking lot look for those special antennas that undercover cars have. Then ask the clerk at the desk if room number 101 is a connected room to another, If yes. Don't go see that Hoe.
Just trying to help
[QUOTE=Benz1;4025537]12 steps for TOFTT.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.[/QUOTE]Hope this helps.
Brook Billions update.
Providers have to think about security as often as we do. That's why some move around and some go UTR.
Brooke Billions is doing both and is not seeing anyone unless you've seen her before or get a password through Benz1.
She has temporarily moved to the west side.
Brooke realizes, during the Christmas season our wives have snatched up all our monger money.
She's running a special for the Budget Minded Monger (BMM).
Car Dates for 40 BBBJCIM, 80 CFS.
She's just asking you to keep the car running and the heat on so her nipples don't get too cold and hard. Then everyone will be happy except your wife.
Happy Hunting and Merry fucking Christmas.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4040415]Brook Billions update.
Providers have to think about security as often as we do. That's why some move around and some go UTR.
Brooke Billions is doing both and is not seeing anyone unless you've seen her before or get a password through Benz1.
She has temporarily moved to the west side.
Brooke realizes, during the Christmas season our wives have snatched up all our monger money.
She's running a special for the Budget Minded Monger (BMM).
Car Dates for 40 BBBJCIM, 80 CFS.
She's just asking you to keep the car running and the heat on so her nipples don't get too cold and hard. Then everyone will be happy except your wife.
Happy Hunting and Merry fucking Christmas.[/QUOTE]While I don't doubt you for a minute, She sure has posted adds a lot lately. She's definitely on my wish list.
[QUOTE=ChastD1959;4040526]While I don't doubt you for a minute, She sure has posted adds a lot lately. She's definitely on my wish list.[/QUOTE]Girls who reduce their appointments, only seeing regulars clients, often post as a reminder to her clients that she's still working but won't answer the phone unless she knows the number calling.
If someone new wants to see her she wants to make sure it's a safe date, passwords through trusted friends is a good referral system.
Pics are real
[QUOTE=Blackfire;4039810]I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.[/QUOTE]All excellent points. Burner phones though allow the text capabilities.
A couple long time SP have told me that a LEO sign will be the SP asks you to bring a cover. Recon of the area before entering a notel is a must. When meeting the SP do the LEO check of each other. I have her grab my guy while I grab her parts. Keep the Spidey senses high no matter your experience.
Stay safe!
[QUOTE=White300;4039698]Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".[/QUOTE]They are all wifi ones. But there is an option to buy their plans. But if you already have a data plan in your smart phone then you should be good. The best part is you can switch numbers often.
On your personal cell phone if you have a data plan or are connected to wireless then you will be able to text with the burner numbers via these apps. Making and receiving calls using the burner numbers can be iffy. The calls can be choppy or can end abruptly. If the provider wants to call you just let her know you are using a burner number and it might not work. She will most likely understand. Google voice numbers are reliable in making calls however you would want to make sure that the google account associated with that google voice number is not linked to a gmail address that you use to contact friends, family or co-workers. And make sure the google account is not registered to your real name. In other words you would want a burner google account.
If you want the next level of security then get a burner phone. Pay for it with cash and pay for the minutes with cash.
[QUOTE=White300;4039698]Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".[/QUOTE]
I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.
Don't agree to this. It's bs. Plenty of decent girls not asking for I'd info. We are all refusing this. When they have no biz it will end, trust me.
[QUOTE=Grjohn;4044526]I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger01;4044564]Don't agree to this. It's bs. Plenty of decent girls not asking for I'd info. We are all refusing this. When they have no biz it will end, trust me.[/QUOTE]Its been my experience that many times when providers are requesting a face pic, its because they have told one or several "someone's" that they are no longer "providing". Be it they have led this person to believe they are "exclusive" (in an attempt to get more $$) or they have become "involved" with a jon that she's trying to keep a secret from. They will request a face pic to make sure its not their (in) significant other before agreeing to a date. This is an attempt (on their part) to protect the relationship with their larger "cash cows" in the pasture or perhaps they are using this person, posing as their "girlfriend" so that they have a nice place to live and are afforded many luxuries that they wouldn't have otherwise (living out of hotels). Seen it many times, including being on the opposite end of it when a provider claimed she was developing feelings for me. I fell for it, but began noticing lots of things that were just "off". Long periods of dead air time when she would not answer calls or texts, gone for days, even weeks at a time. I became suspicious and downloaded a text app and began texting her from the app. Once I busted her out a couple of times, she started asking for a pic as soon as she would get a text inquiring about a "date". There are also many of these providers who have legal issues or active cases that involve or could impact their parenting time with their children. Say someone sends an anonymous link to one of her ads to CPS and they begin an investigation and suspend her parenting rights. And yes, there are even those who are likely working with law enforcement but I don't think that just because they ask for a picture of you that it automatically should be assumed that they are. Be smart about it.
I have had this request a few times. I always tell them there is no way I am sending my picture.
[QUOTE=Grjohn;4044526]I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4044758]I have had this request a few times. I always tell them there is no way I am sending my picture.[/QUOTE]I don't say anything. I just laugh.
[QUOTE=JonJacobs;4044612]Its been my experience that many times when providers are requesting a face pic, its because they have told one or several "someone's" that they are no longer "providing". Be it they have led this person to believe they are "exclusive" (in an attempt to get more $$) or they have become "involved" with a jon that she's trying to keep a secret from. They will request a face pic to make sure its not their (in) significant other before agreeing to a date. This is an attempt (on their part) to protect the relationship with their larger "cash cows" in the pasture or perhaps they are using this person, posing as their "girlfriend" so that they have a nice place to live and are afforded many luxuries that they wouldn't have otherwise (living out of hotels). Seen it many times, including being on the opposite end of it when a provider claimed she was developing feelings for me. I fell for it, but began noticing lots of things that were just "off". Long periods of dead air time when she would not answer calls or texts, gone for days, even weeks at a time. I became suspicious and downloaded a text app and began texting her from the app. Once I busted her out a couple of times, she started asking for a pic as soon as she would get a text inquiring about a "date". There are also many of these providers who have legal issues or active cases that involve or could impact their parenting time with their children. Say someone sends an anonymous link to one of her ads to CPS and they begin an investigation and suspend her parenting rights. And yes, there are even those who are likely working with law enforcement but I don't think that just because they ask for a picture of you that it automatically should be assumed that they are. Be smart about it.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be easy for LE to bust the idiot who sent their face picture to match up with their request for an appointment. Never, ever send face pic or even a dic pic, anything that could identify you and match you up with the appointment where you have agreed to exchange dollars for sexual favors!
The girl you described above that was asking guys to send a picture to screen out a boyfriend sounds pretty stupid. If a boyfriend suspected it was her in an advertisement that didn't include her picture, or he wanted to schedule an appointment with her to "bust" her for hooking on him. Unless he was dumber than her he would just send a picture of someone else to secure the appointment.
So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.
So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4045456]So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.[/QUOTE]I saw her years ago, and I hear that she still provides. SexyKris would be a good choice.
Weekends can be difficult especially these days when the pickins are slim. I would say focus on the CityXGuide Verified providers. And you may want to consider a sugar arrangement. There is a forum for that under the Grand Rapids section.
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4045456]So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BluBalls1;4045624]So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this problem is part of the everyday risk in this hobby.
Years ago I was escorted to a massage table by Mommsen, I was face down when the girl started the massage. On the flip we both realized we knew each other. Ended fine and we never connected again.
Another time I went to a hotel room and she recognized me, I did not recognize her because I knew her as a teenager, it Went well without any problems. We have seen each other a lot since then. What the hell, make the best of it.
I also use to see a very popular provider in the hobby that was on my step daughter's FB, She never recognized me (I think) I saw her about 20 times maybe more. Worked for me.
1 provider has formally met my wife and another bumped into us at a restaurant. (so far no problems).
The NoNonsenseLady has met most of my family except my wife and I would not worry if she ever did meet my wife. She is so cool about everything, not only a great provider, an Awesome friend that I miss very much since she moved to San Diego. She has helped me a lot in this hobby. Taught me how to identify all the red flags about providers and many other things necessary to navigate through the hobby too.
What I'm trying to say is it will probably happen again. It's a risk we take.
Most providers do not want the world to know what they're doing. If they expose you, they expose themselves too.
Your girl could be one of our weekend worriers that has a job and a real life outside of the hobby too.
If she's not a drug user, has a real job and you liked the appointment, I would see her again. It's hard to find honest trustworthy providers that we like. If there is any damage, it's already done. Make the best of it. That's just me.
As far as the blackmail, That will usually depend if the girl is using Drugs, in their mind anything goes to get the drugs.
The only time a girl attempted to blackmail me, I was playing captain save a hoe and thought I could get it cheaper if I made her my girlfriend. WRONG. Women are always looking at what's in it for them, just like we are. When the women are on drugs they will make sure they get what they need. Even if it means blackmail. She wasn't successful (that's a long story). The attempted blackmail happened before Benz was born.
The blackmail attempt is permanently resolved now. She died in July of 2018. I'm sure it was drug related. She had a Doctor prescribing anything she needed.
In closing, I Should have Listened to my dads advice. " The cheapest piece of ass you will ever have is the one you pay for, you know what the cost is up front. " My dad was a great mentor and would have loved this site.
Happy hunting and stay safe.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4046238]Unfortunately this problem is part of the everyday risk in this hobby.
Years ago I was escorted to a massage table by Mommsen, I was face down when the girl started the massage. On the flip we both realized we knew each other. Ended fine and we never connected again.
Another time I went to a hotel room and she recognized me, I did not recognize her because I knew her as a teenager, it Went well without any problems. We have seen each other a lot since then. What the hell, make the best of it.
I also use to see a very popular provider in the hobby that was on my step daughter's FB, She never recognized me (I think) I saw her about 20 times maybe more. Worked for me.
1 provider has formally met my wife and another bumped into us at a restaurant. (so far no problems).
The NoNonsenseLady has met most of my family except my wife and I would not worry if she ever did meet my wife. She is so cool about everything, not only a great provider, an Awesome friend that I miss very much since she moved to San Diego. She has helped me a lot in this hobby. Taught me how to identify all the red flags about providers and many other things necessary to navigate through the hobby too.
What I'm trying to say is it will probably happen again. It's a risk we take...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Without naming names, can you please be as detailed as possible about your blackmail.
What did she say? What was her method of communication and threat? How did you handle it?
It might not only help me, but others that could wind up in this position.
[QUOTE=BluBalls1;4045624]So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?[/QUOTE]It's very doubtful this girl will try to blackmail you, considering you do know her and presumably some of her friends since you went to school with them. Unfortunately if she is a member here and were to read this you might have given her an idea that you are vulnerable and a possible mark if she is desperate for money. If she does contact you for money in exchange for silence I would recommend not falling for it or threatening her back, just ignore it. Most threats never are followed through on. If she actually does "out you" just deny and reference the fact that she's broke and unstable, I'm sure anyone that knows her would also know she's unstable. I'm assuming she doesn't actually have any hard proof that you paid her for sex. If she has proof of some sort that means you weren't being very careful in the beginning by giving her something hard she can blackmail with (like a real phone number text, a picture, phone records of calls to a real phone number of yours, etc.). In that case, I would play hardball with her and not give in to her demands, it's still unlikely she will follow through and if she does you just have to take the medicine you earned.
The comment that you have "alot of regret and anxiety over this" is probably a bigger concern you should address than the remote possibiility she might blackmail you. I would recommend serious introspection and maybe a good counselor.
[QUOTE=BluBalls1;4046299]Thanks for the reply. Without naming names, can you please be as detailed as possible about your blackmail.
What did she say? What was her method of communication and threat? How did you handle it?
It might not only help me, but others that could wind up in this position.[/QUOTE]I like Blackfire's advice for you better than mine.
In my earlier post I mentioned how I would handle it if it was me. Meeting people you know will happen again to me, you and others too.
If I give info of how I thrawted a providers attempt to black mail me, it will prepare all providers reading this on how we might react. Everything said is best left to PM. If and when it happens send me a message.
There are a lot of variables about both parties that make each situation different from the others.
I can not anticipate the thoughts or reactions of any woman but if it's a drug addict they become more predictable.
However if she can detect a lot of fear, you have lost all negotiations before it starts. This hobby requires some negotiating and navigating skills at many different levels, sometimes you need ice in your veins.
If you are losing sleep over something that hasn't happened yet, listen to Blackfire, get some counseling.
[QUOTE=BluBalls1;4045624]So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?[/QUOTE]How about sharing info on the provider. If she provided a quality service, and you left satisfied perhaps you should share with the forum.
Picture, link to ad etc would be appreciated I'm sure.
My wife insisted I get a haircut this week. She wanted me to get it before Thanksgiving. I tried but the girl in the Valley was all tied up the whole week before Thanksgiving. That's what happens with the good ones.
This morning my wife left me a note with 20 bucks on the counter saying Get a Haircut.
Fortunately The girl in the Valley was available today.
Got the trifecta again. Hair cut, Manscaping and BBBJ / ws.
I had to add a few more dollars to my wife's 20 for the extra services.
Next time I'll have the Valley Girl print a receipt and bill my wife for the whole amount.
I had difficulty getting an appointment closer to the Holiday, she's a busy girl.
If you want the trifecta before Christmas, I'd start texting now.
You can get VG digits through Edmonger, Assman45 or Benz1
[QUOTE=Benz1;4049862]My wife insisted I get a haircut this week. She wanted me to get it before Thanksgiving. I tried but the girl in the Valley was all tied up the whole week before Thanksgiving. That's what happens with the good ones.
This morning my wife left me a note with 20 bucks on the counter saying Get a Haircut.
Fortunately The girl in the Valley was available today.
Got the trifecta again. Hair cut, Manscaping and BBBJ / ws.
I had to add a few more dollars to my wife's 20 for the extra services.
Next time I'll have the Valley Girl print a receipt and bill my wife for the whole amount.
I had difficulty getting an appointment closer to the Holiday, she's a busy girl.
If you want the trifecta before Christmas, I'd start texting now.
You can get VG digits through Edmonger, Assman45 or Benz1[/QUOTE]Getting your wife to financially support your hobby. Benz you have achieved superior status! I have always wanted to try a haircut from her, but I get mine cut from the same stylist my wife goes to, so not sure how I could pull that off. I'll definately get in to see her for the extras though!
It's hard to screen someone that you have never seen before and has not been reported here recently. Just because she was given the OK a year ago don't mean she has not gotten in trouble and is now working for the other team. Keep in mind LE can say anything.
And it is OK. So just because they say they not LE that don't mean anything. Lot of SP will try to tell you that LE can't say that but they can. Only thing LE can't so is commit a crime and they can not mention money for services first. Anything else they can do. Best screen I have used is require at least one nude pic of provider be sent. Cops can't do this because they have no way of knowing if the person on the other end is over the age of 18. LE can't send the pic because of that and it help show that provider is same person as person in pics in ad and that she likely will follow through with appt. If she not willing to send that type of pic what makes you believe she will be willing to do much more in person. Some so refuse to send. In that case I opt for one that will.
They don't need to show much. One nipple is enough. Hopefully you find this helpful.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;4039810]I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.[/QUOTE]
This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.
I am a third shifter looking for a reliable provider who is up and answers her phone around 630 am if anyway can help with suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I've texted and called a few and I never get any responses. Grand Rapids and north.
It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4063340]It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.[/QUOTE]I always see her in her sweat pants and slippers, had lunch with her yesterday. No make up for me LOL.
I told her we needed some recent pics. So here you go.
[QUOTE=OrallVrForU;4062062]This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.[/QUOTE]I do miss Linz. She set the bar high. I didn't have the pleasure of the others. At least not that I can remember. Who are they?
[QUOTE=Benz1;4063340]It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.[/QUOTE]Lilliana is a sweat heart. I saw her a couple of weeks ago and had a great time.