Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Jeep 95]Webdog, listen to his advice- stop treating the sex workers as if they are sex workers. ;)

Oh, wait, maybe they'll think your a moron. Cancel that thought.[/QUOTE]Just because someone *is* a sex worker doesn't mean they want to be treated like one. When you pick up a woman in a bar, you're thinking of her as a sex object. Doesn't that mean you should explicitly treat her like one?

All I'm saying is, think about what's going through someone else's mind.

Show that you're turned on. Rearrange yourself to demonstrate you have an erection. Make some noise when she touches your thighs. Do shit like that tells her she is doing good work. But let her think that she's in control, that her tits aren't going to be groped by a random stranger unless she offers an invitation. Let her feel in control.

Or, hell, do whatever you want.

[QUOTE=Dan Wesson]Generally, I "telegraph" my intentions by asking for some inner thigh massage and then shooting them a view of the fruit basket. If I get a little light play, then I just encourage it.

Call me paranoid, but I never get led into any negotiations that remotely involve the "this for that" discussion. So far, this has served me well.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I was talking about. I didn't mean to suggest that you needed to start a verbal conversation. Though if you want anything beyond a handjob, you'll probably have to. though even then, just asking, "are there any other services you offer?" is a fairly respectful way of doing it.

[QUOTE=WebDog]This back-and-forth (at least most recently) began with your asinine argument that providers do not take tips for granted.[/QUOTE]By the way, just to set the record straight. *That* was a completely different, earlier discussion aboou tips. I guess webdog still felt immensely offended that I contradicted him in that prior discussion, so he had to just jump in and jump all over me when he saw my post on another topic.

All the same, I have to point out that he is *again* misconstruing me. That wasn't my argument. i never said providers don't take tips for granted. My argument was this. Just because masseuses take tips for granted does not convert them from a tip into a "fee".

Waiters in restaurants take 15% tips for granted, too. But they're still tips. Still up to you to decide how much to give.

If you don't have the balls to give the waiter a 5% tip when the service is bad, don't blame the waiter.

And if you do have the balls to do it, don't go back to the restaurant hoping to get great service.

Hey guys,

Sory about the pissed off last post. Just pissed off by the personal attacks.

I'm curious, do they reflect the opinion of this board?

I feel I've posted a lot of good information, and given a lot more by back channels. Both on new places that haven't been reviewed before, and on how to behave. While I've told people they were wrong, I've not gotten personal.

I take the chance I've learned a lot here, and I'm happy to keep giving back. But only if you guys think I'm giving back.

That being said, you'll have to take me as I am. When blowhards post bullshit, I will tell them they're wrong. I respect people because of what they contribute, not because of their magical "senior member" status.

Let me know.

Seems like more and more in this electronic society we rely on faceless forums. The more people read the more they don't 'read' the way they were meant to?

I'll say this I have used both Web and Gravel's notes and posts. How much is useful in my day to day life? Well depends upon whats on that days open time slot or SLOTS.

Give intel and Take intel. When you give. Have substance! It is meant for us 'hobbist', whatever level you are to be: SAFE, SECURE, and Enjoyable experiences. When those are very hard to find now adays.

I think that there is enough bullshit out there that we could keep less on the boards.

My 2 cents

[QUOTE=Triesharder]The fact is I have had success both ways. Oftentimes the situation dictates. Just be cool about it, polite, and respectful.[/QUOTE]It has worked both ways for me. Depends on situation. If I am going to be forwardly groping it is usually in a playful way. Lots of smiles, chatting, etc. Every provider is different and every situation is different.

Have there been times I've been shot down, HELL YEAH!

There have been postings here about AMP conduct. Do's and don't's. I gotta say a place I haven't been into before I can usually tell in the first 5mins. Chat up the girl, mention good looks (smile, eyes, strong hands), lay down on table, they start on neck, my hands reach up legs to butt (while mentioning at same time very strong hands and strong legs. Wow, beautiful butt. Then they push away or smile and giggle. I stop and then enjoy. I never push the kitty. Gotta get a feel for girl and establishment.

I know some here will boo me, but hey it works for ME.

[QUOTE=GravelPath]Just because someone *is* a sex worker doesn't mean they want to be treated like one. When you pick up a woman in a bar, you're thinking of her as a sex object. Doesn't that mean you should explicitly treat her like one? [/QUOTE]And this statement is the nub of it.

I have been hobbying since 2000. I do not seek out FS. I have done the AMPs here, RI and CO. Personally, I rather enjoy getting the extras (HE only) at places not normally associated with extras and which offer a good massage. It is like a challenge to me!

And yes, I have actually asked, even at the more high profile jack shacks, what irritates them. No surprise, most tell me it is when a "new" customer makes assumptions, treats them like servants, gropes. Some have told me they would not deliver and probably would not massage these gents again.

Of course, there are many exceptions. And the girls at some AMPs, who may not even be there if they had a choice, may tolerate more.

Having said that, everyone is entitled to their approach and their sage advice is appreciated. But remember, it is based on your experiences, so differing opinions should be welcome and discussed for their value under different circumstances.

Just my 2 cents!

[QUOTE=GravelPath] Just because masseuses take tips for granted does not convert them from a tip into a "fee". [/QUOTE]I don't consider them a fee unless they tell me ahead of time what a good tip is. Then I weigh the perceived value. In general, most of the women I tip don't tell me what they expect. And I can generally tell on the next outing whether the tip offended them. If so, and I don't think they are worth more, then I move on.

Of course, they are primarily making their living on the tips, so I don't blame them. Just be a good consumer, as you would with any other service. Shop around, compare. Personally, I won't get into any money discussion, but if I did, I could certainly see how they can get offended by my dickering over their own perceived value. To me, this already puts a damper on my fun.

Hi, Haven't seen any ads on CL for 7044. Anyone have any idea why?

Every provider is different and every situation is different.

Exactly. And every client is different. If you're nervous about roaming, it will likely seem awkward to both of you. I'd hate for this to become a place where we pick apart each others habits, and I don't think that was anyones intention. Talking about money (which was the initial discussion) has a tendency to escalate into other things, as people have strong feelings about it.

Gravel, you've provided me with some very good info. You've earned your keep, as I hope I have done.

I DO think it's HILARIOUS (not in a mean spirited or argumentative way but just plain old funny) that the same person who suggested lower tips also was on the pro-grope side. Don't take that personally, it is in no way a dig. It just made me laugh.

Let's all share a laugh, hold hands and sing kumbaya.

[QUOTE=GravelPath]Hey guys,

Sory about the pissed off last post. Just pissed off by the personal attacks.

I'm curious, do they reflect the opinion of this board?

I feel I've posted a lot of good information, and given a lot more by back channels. Both on new places that haven't been reviewed before, and on how to behave. While I've told people they were wrong, I've not gotten personal.

I take the chance I've learned a lot here, and I'm happy to keep giving back. But only if you guys think I'm giving back.

That being said, you'll have to take me as I am. When blowhards post bullshit, I will tell them they're wrong. I respect people because of what they contribute, not because of their magical "senior member" status.

Let me know.[/QUOTE]

WD is a generous contributor. He's TOFFT many times, and he has my respect. IMO, he is very forthright in his postings, and I think that implying that WD is a blowhard is completely out-of-line. When he tries something that doesn't work, he reports it. Same with some other "senior" members, such as MM when he got burned. When WD has information, he shares it with the membership. "Senior" member status is minimally relevant. "Senior contributor" status is very relevant, IMO.

You have about four "quasi-reviews", which themselves yield nominal information. The remainder of your posts appear to be questions, advise, or disagreements. You may be a very experienced hobbyist, but you apparently keep your ladies to yourself. Personally, I don't need advice about how to interact with a lady, but I always appreciate a bone-fide review.

Both WD and you are entitled to your opinions. However, if you don't like WD's posts, there are simple solutions, such as the ignore list, rather than to ask the membership to serve as the jury in an interpersonal dispute and threatening not to continue to post if the membership doesn't take your side.

Hey guys:

I tried asking this two days ago no replies. I am in Boston area till Friday, so any intel would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Chick Digger]If any of you have had a session with the following ladies from CL, your info would be highly appreciated. Between the two who would you recommend?

Thanks.

Yes, an afternnon/ evening delightful session of pure uninhabited rest and relaxation of the mind body and spirit. Rejuvenate and restore every single muscle fiber in your being with waves of never before felt sensations too damn good to detail in this ad. Ive' combined the traditional "Swedish" technique with a twist of passion for the perfect touch. Tired of the same ol' boring flings ? I bring some added flavour to the table. Warm up your days so you keep the stress away this holiday season. I am 5'6, 145 lbs, athletic build, professional,freindly,kind and enjoying giving the best to each and every client. FIRE IT UP !

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and the next one

MASSAGE SPECIAL $75 FOR THE HOUR
Hello guy's, I am a very attractive 26 year old female. I have over 3 year's of exp. in massage. I offer a full body massage (draping is optional) get an hour for $75. Interested in feeling the best call Karla.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phuqued]You have about four "quasi-reviews", which themselves yield nominal information. The remainder of your posts appear to be questions, advise, or disagreements. You may be a very experienced hobbyist, but you apparently keep your ladies to yourself. Personally, I don't need advice about how to interact with a lady, but I always appreciate a bone-fide review. [/QUOTE]Hi Phuqued,

I completely respect your opinion. You've been a great contributor.

I didn't ask the board to serve as a jury in a dispute, though. I only asked if I was a meaningful contributor. Thank you for your answer. I didn't realize that, in the space of three months, my lengthy reviews of Golden Water, Orchid, Yumi, Lily's, Aiko, a place in Somerville that I've discussed via backchannels, GFE in somerville, etc., only counted as quasi-reviews with nominal information. Especially given that I was the first person on the board to cover three of those places.

I wish someone had pointed out what was wrong with those reviews and I would have tried harder. If I didn't share more information, it's because I was trying to follow the rules about posting that I've seen on here. I've always happily given out more via backchannels.

No, I don't "keep my ladies to myself" but that was the best I could do in four months.

All the same, since I'm apparently useless, I'll be on my way.

Thanks to those who sent me messages in support.

[QUOTE=GravelPath]Hey guys,

Sory about the pissed off last post. Just pissed off by the personal attacks.

I'm curious, do they reflect the opinion of this board?

I feel I've posted a lot of good information, and given a lot more by back channels. Both on new places that haven't been reviewed before, and on how to behave. While I've told people they were wrong, I've not gotten personal.

I take the chance I've learned a lot here, and I'm happy to keep giving back. But only if you guys think I'm giving back.

That being said, you'll have to take me as I am. When blowhards post bullshit, I will tell them they're wrong. I respect people because of what they contribute, not because of their magical "senior member" status.

Let me know.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you can take it if people [i]let you know[/i] and it's not someone blowing sunshine up your ass or a sock puppet?

Have you ever seen anyone tout their senior member status and (sadly) attempt to use it as leverage? Please provide a link if you can find one because I haven't seen anyone do it, including WebDog.

Being a senior member means that you can post immediately without review, nothing more. Abso-fuckin-lutely nothing more. People with 1 or 1,000 posts are all equals here and we're all just guests, here at the discretion of Jackson. In two or so months, you'll be able to post immediately too. Be patient, we all had to wait, and you'll be there before you know it.

As far as being sorry for your previous posts, if that's true, why wouldn't you edit them or delete them? It's probably not too late even now.

As far as respecting people goes, there are more parameters to respect people for than just the volume or quality of information they write because that can be faked. Easily faked. People can write "informative" posts by repeating what others have reported, elaborating on that or simply making new stuff up that can't/won't be corroborated or is corroborated by another screen name that they have. Also LE reads every word we write and people adjust their posts accordingly. Knowing that, faulting people for not posting information is the same as faulting them for [i]not[/i] giving information to the police.


About [i]perceived[/i] blowhards and bullshit....lol.

You say:

"When blowhards post bullshit, I will tell them they're wrong"

Yet you fault WebDog for doing [b]exactly[/b] that to you:

"Maybe now I can offer some meaningful advice to people when I have some to give, without you having to feel compelled to jump in and call me wrong."


Gravel, calm down, stop exploding whenever someone pokes you with their finger, enjoy your AMP visits and have a Happy Chanukah/Merry Christmas/Happy Festivus/Happy Kwanzaa.

[QUOTE=Shooter6]

Let's all share a laugh, hold hands and sing kumbaya.[/QUOTE]

Laugh....yes, hold hands....not so much