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[QUOTE=ByronDee;3180481]Excellent advice. I would add, make sure any photos you post / send to an SA is not part of any social media.[/QUOTE]Wait? Do you guys post pics? I've never looked at men's profiles, I just assumed that was a no-go area.

There's no fucking way I'd send a pic off to someone in any situation like this. Seems like too much of a risk and I'm not married. I still think there's a chance that some profiles aren't college girls looking for SD, but college girls working on a sex work thesis or someone trying to blackmail, as was mentioned.

Pics get responses, just use photoshop or whatever to distort your photos, easy peasy.

Hey guys, just FYI to anyone new on SA Suga-baby2369 changed her name. I'm reporting this because I don't want any new people falling into the trap.

[QUOTE=ProVid;3181035]Wait? Do you guys post pics? I've never looked at men's profiles, I just assumed that was a no-go area.

There's no fucking way I'd send a pic off to someone in any situation like this. Seems like too much of a risk and I'm not married. I still think there's a chance that some profiles aren't college girls looking for SD, but college girls working on a sex work thesis or someone trying to blackmail, as was mentioned.[/QUOTE]What is so bad about a sex work thesis. Listen if you feel it is bad what you are doing here, then don't do it.

Don' hope we will make you feel warm and fuzzy about thi, just because we are.

What could they blackmail you with. That you have a profile here.

Wow. Lets keep it real and not let the possibility that the sky could fall down paralyze you.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;3182334]What is so bad about a sex work thesis. Listen if you feel it is bad what you are doing here, then don't do it.

Don' hope we will make you feel warm and fuzzy about thi, just because we are.

What could they blackmail you with. That you have a profile here.

Wow. Lets keep it real and not let the possibility that the sky could fall down paralyze you.[/QUOTE]Since I haven't needed to use pictures I view it as an unnecessary risk. I can't think of a reason to change that. I don't see the benefit. Putting pics out is like choosing to use your personal cell instead of using a burner. Blackmail is a crime and unlikely. But anti-sexworker agitprop would be the primary concern and is not a stretch.

Any indexed online hint or rumor that I've paid women for sex would be a problem. Not even a conviction or proven instance. Just the rumor would be enough. If you have a job, your whole life can be fucked if you become "that guy who pays women for sex". I can think of very few jobs where the relationship with your clients, business partners, or employees wouldn't be fucked up when all they see is "guy who fucks hookers". I guess it depends on your career and where you see yourself in the future. Anyone who applies for a half-way decent work is getting googled into orbit. Maybe you live a life beneath notice. Maybe you're one of the few who are bulletproof from scandal. I mean, Trump is the president, so I guess all bets are off. But I suspect not.

I think about it and I know that I wouldn't hire or work with "hooker guy". Even though I know this hobby inside and out and don't think that the guys who do this are automatically scumbags. I know that you can participate in this "hobby" and be a good person and a reliable guy. But I still would see it as a huge PR liability and it would also throw up other concerns.

Primary among them would be the needless indiscretion of using pics when you didn't have to.

Stassi cat has been totally on que. Great experience. Themoonismyne has a rockin body and is open to play. But she straight up blackmailed me. Cover your identity if you go there.

A pair of hot girls home on winter break from college.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/76a97dc9-4a60-4029-8cf6-6023db9de0a5[/URL]

[QUOTE=HavinFun179;3184168]Stassi cat has been totally on que. Great experience. Themoonismyne has a rockin body and is open to play. But she straight up blackmailed me. Cover your identity if you go there.[/QUOTE]Themoonismyne switched her screen name.

Been in contact, meet / greet, FB, etc with a VERY nice 19 year college student. Only problem she wants to play above my range. She wants 5 maybe 3.5 will seal the deal?? So I'm willing to exchange info, bring me a young hottie in exchange by PM only. No recycled open forum stuff, and dont just give me a username, FB, etc required

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;3184839]A pair of hot girls home on winter break from college.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/76a97dc9-4a60-4029-8cf6-6023db9de0a5[/URL][/QUOTE]Saw them too. I was totally in until I got to the part about "[I]...needs to be on our terms, not yours.[/I]" If you're a rich old ugly fat dude, then I kinda sort-of maybe can sometimes sympathize with that directive. However, imho, this is all about quid pro quo. Nothing more, nothing less. If something develops beyond that, fine; but that is an argument for another ballpark.

In my experience, most of these younger chics would just as soon cut down the apple tree to harvest the fruit than cultivate it. [I]Begin editorial rant here[/I]: They typically come around after they see their youth is waning and money is dried up. Thus leaving them with an empty carcass of a shallow dead-end existence. The billionaire jet-set pipe-dream they thought beauty alone would catch, is now evolved into the average stable-working-joe that had always been there from the start.

The only problem for them at that point is that average-joe has moved on. With no substance save the experience of an empty beauty-reliant existence, they turn to other means of grinding out the rest of their days. Yes, to be sure, there are the rare exceptions. But not for the majority of these hollow radiant beauties. [I]Rant ended[/I].

Take [B]Eternalgoddess[/B] for example (pics bottom), [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/27f82ffc-1d3b-4be8-b59e-7ccec3521d93[/URL].

She wants money up front - red flag. It's practically the first thing out of the shoot in the conversation. I'm sure there are those that have paid up and made it to home plate, but she certainly comes off as more of a lumberjack than harvester. I get the sense those girls like her just do the meet and greet for money, never providing any sugar at all. I had an arrangement with a auburn-headed beauty whos body was tighter than Uncle Dick's hat band but throughout the arrangement there was no substance beyond the dead presidents with which she was so enamored.

There are definitely a few extraordinary gems there if you are willing to weed through the morass of shallow, self-absorbed, palladium-pussy weiner-mittens.

To that end, as a general rule of thumb, I've found the mid to late 20 somethings and above to be much more interested in cultivating the tree.

Given that there are several ladies that I find are great harvesters, I do not like naming names for fear of leaving out one or two equally great ladies; but for some gems that are on SA or can be found otherwise one but only has to look at the bejeweled ruby slippers you may already be wearing. And yes, Dorothy, there is no place like home (e.g., Not in any particular order, Busty Red, Ashley Double D's, NV, Cali Sparkles, Bobie Dahl).

TGM

Guys. I've been seeing Karly for a while now, I've had no issues with her. She's a cool girl, down for anything, with a rockin body. She is still learning the ropes so expect a bump or two along the way. I do understand from her what went down with the other guy here and why she did what she did. Not my business and I'm not here to post her side. You can get that from her directly if you want. She has taken her profile down on SA for now. I do have her # and can share with seniors or regulars who have helped me along the way.

Separately, I'd recommend to everyone here to not share your personal information with a provider or SB until you are really comfortable with them. Use an alias, get a burner phone / phone app, don't invite them to your home, don't take your wallet into your appointment, don't pay by personal check, . I don't even take my cell in, stays in the car. Smart = Safe.

Happy Holidays to all!

TB.

[QUOTE=ThunderBoat;3186380]Guys. I've been seeing Karly for a while now, I've had no issues with her. She's a cool girl, down for anything, with a rockin body. She is still learning the ropes so expect a bump or two along the way. I do understand from her what went down with the other guy here and why she did what she did. Not my business and I'm not here to post her side. You can get that from her directly if you want. She has taken her profile down on SA for now. I do have her # and can share with seniors or regulars who have helped me along the way.

Separately, I'd recommend to everyone here to not share your personal information with a provider or SB until you are really comfortable with them. Use an alias, get a burner phone / phone app, don't invite them to your home, don't take your wallet into your appointment, don't pay by personal check, . I don't even take my cell in, stays in the car. Smart = Safe.

Happy Holidays to all!

TB.[/QUOTE]Great advice TB. My situation with her still has the potential to become a large problem so I'd appreciate it if you can appreciate the sensitive natural of the situation, learn from my mistake and not bring it up to her. Thanks guys.

How is it that when ladies post "[I]Give me your money[/I]" on their profile it is viewed as some sort of acceptable tribal ritual like guys are supposed to be into just throwing money away for nothing; but when I post, "[I]Give me your vagina[/I]" or "[I]Let me grab your pussy[/I]" I get tons of hate mail? Wait, don't answer. I think I'm seeing the double standard now, lol.

TGM

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/943e2bb6-a3b5-9190-dbb1-3f78d276d426[/URL]

Any girl who wants money for a meet and greet is going to try to string you along. No matter how cute they are, don't go for it.

I should add that I've been on SA since 2008. I've seen all the tricks. They invariably claim that "other guys have paid big money for dinner dates," etc. They're lying. Who are these "other guys"? The "sugar daddy" portrayed in the SA marketing verbiage is a unicorn, more or less. Most of the "other guys" on the site are hobbyists. That means you cheap fellows who complain when Eloquent Evenings tries to raise the price for a 30-minute session by $10.

Nevertheless, there are girls on SA who have no experience in this game, and they will attempt to turn meet and greet money into a business model. Think about it: You have coffee with a few guys a week, and you pocket a nice sum. Many of the SA girls are nice, but the site and the hype the site generates does attract some young women who think that every 30- or 40-something guy is eager to give them free money.

The only way to put an end to that is to stop incentivizing it. If you think that *she's* concerned about being strung along, offer to meet her at a time and place that makes it convenient for her. And don't expect an 18 year old college girl to drive 50 miles for a meet and greet. But don't pay her real money until you get something in return.

I'm not saying don't be reasonable; but I am saying: If you pay for meet and greet, you're rewarding bad behavior and making it hard on everyone, as that will set the new expectation.

Also: As I mentioned before, there's been a rash of profiles, invariably with 18- or 19-year-old girls, seeking "online arrangements". I've been reporting them to the site as phishing scams (which they quite likely are).

I love SA, but it does attract scammers and opportunists from time to time. They typically come in waves. Don't feed the con artists, and they eventually give up and go away.

Rule# 1, Never pay meet and greet! Rule# 2, see Rule# 1.