"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Are there young Bucks out there dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old? I doubt there is a pattern of young men-but maybe old wealthy guys. Frankly, if I were shit face loaded I would spend what it took to bed a 10 . Young guys might drop a dime on an isolated basis, but not a recurring arrangement. I'll give you a real life example. I have a friend / vendor who calls on me, and has become a confidant. He is an hound dawg in his mid 20's-you know the type -like we used to be. He has no problem getting free pussy, but on a recent trip for work spent $2000 in a weekend getting laid several times. He can't afford $2000/ month regularly, but can splurge from time to time.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2720128]Are there young Bucks out there dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old? I doubt there is a pattern of young men-but maybe old wealthy guys. Frankly, if I were shit face loaded I would spend what it took to bed a 10 . Young guys might drop a dime on an isolated basis, but not a recurring arrangement. I'll give you a real life example. I have a friend / vendor who calls on me, and has become a confidant. He is an hound dawg in his mid 20's-you know the type -like we used to be. He has no problem getting free pussy, but on a recent trip for work spent $2000 in a weekend getting laid several times. He can't afford $2000/ month regularly, but can splurge from time to time.[/QUOTE]I'm in my early 40's so don't know if I qualify as "young Buck" (maybe to some of you fogies), but nope, not dropping $500 to bang a 20 yr old whether she's a 10 or not. More interested in stretching that dollar and getting a hungry-for-it, mid-20's 8 for $100 or less per pop.

-Colo.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2718536]It seems that no one has much to contribute these days -including me. It is pretty sad when hotel bookings occupy the past 8 days of posts. All of this material has been covered ad nauseum in the archived material.

The concept of sugaring is stable and there are only so many ways to skin this cat--or peel the pussy. Now newbies are just listing conquests and expressing awe at the process, as we old timers did when we first started out discovering the world of sugar. There is nothing better than peeling a 20 yr old beauty out of her panties for the first time, watching perfect 34 be boobs spring out of a tight fitting bra when the latch lets go, and feeling Mr Johnson slide into an impossibly juicy and tight pussy--to the squeals and moans of delight as she discovers the joys as well.

Newbies just need to go to the section on Sugarbaby thread highlights to learn all the collective wisdom needed to ply this hobby.[/QUOTE]I agree completely. This is one reason I haven't even been reading this forum much if at all (despite having re-entered the bowl recently), much less posting to this thread. The important stuff has all been said, the rest of it is just blog-anecdote of the day. The posts that are listed in the index thread are the most efficient route. Not that there is anything wrong with thinking out loud, sometimes it's fun to compare notes, but all of that comes with a cost (the largest cost I see being that too much public information is bad for the hobby, it only serves to attract more SDs to balance out the ratios, or attracts the wrong variety of girls).

Then of course there was the whole shakeup with "you know who" -- he who bit off more than he could chew then packed his toys up and went home when it didn't turn out to his liking. All of that ugliness never needed to happen, but when it did I realized something: I was contributing way more than I was receiving from this thread. By that I mean among some of my of posts, I indirectly revealed some of my pussy-getting trade secrets (ones that work whether you're paying for it or not). I had always told myself that I was never going to share some of the secrets to my success (first of all because I figured unless I could make a lot of money doing it there's no point since it would only create competition, plus I learned things the hard way so why should I just give away the knowledge)? But, among some of my "long-winded reminiscent" posts I did exactly that. When the whole drama shakeup occurred, between e-mail and PMs I heard from about two dozen people who seemed to genuinely appreciate what I had contributed to this thread. I think I counted exactly four outliers who had a problem with me and thought I "ran off" their hero, when in fact he is the one who initiated the whole thing and slinked away after the damage was done. Someone who by his own admission had no game his entire life -- the polar opposite of my story -- and whose success was 100% dependent on paying money for sex turns out to have acquired the "1" part of a 1:6 support ratio. LOL.

At the end of it all, I decided if there was even one person out there that was bothered by my posts, then frankly I didn't want to hear their bitching. The stuff I've written here is still around for anyone who wants to read it, I can't really see any value in adding more at this point. The other stuff is water under the bridge.

I think that the type of girls I go after is different than what many participants in this thread want, anyway, so perhaps I was writing for the wrong audience from day one.

So, while some SB fun is definitely on the menu for me, I doubt I will be returning to even read responses to this post or post in the future. I'm glad to have met most of you guys, but if I remained I would only be repeating what's already been said and archived in the Index / FAQ thread by a very diligent and organized contributor who did all of that. I do still occasionally check back into the forum for strip club information in various cities, so maybe we'll meet again.

I will say I'm finding in the areas I play in, the websites are on fire -- I'm even getting hits on regular dating websites I haven't logged into in over a year but forgot to delete my pics from girls who want me to teach them what an SB is. Jury still out on whether I will reactivate those accounts. I'm not sure what others are seeing with regard to slowing patterns except to say that it could be related to timing of college breaks and / or the fact that unemployment rate is down.

That's all.

Happy Sugaring, Gentlemen.

-JL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2720101]Congrats on your 1st Sugar score. What was the damage? (besides $100 of alcohol) My experience -mentioned recently, is to avoid inebriation on either side of the aisle. Drunk women can get maudlin and less stable, as you perhaps found out. A little buzz goes a long way towards relaxation though. Perhaps you can skip the drinkathon and set it up to meet in the FC if Mr Johnson is up to the task. Cocktails and dining take more time and energy than it's worth sometimes. But a roll in the hay is always worth it.[/QUOTE]We never discussed any $$ I gave her. 8 and she started to leave that in the car as I dropped her off, again alcohol may have been a factor. I tried to look up FC but couldn't find the definition. Thanks.

Yep this forum has been pretty well done for awhile. There is only so much James Bonding and CIA super sleuthing that can be done to the SB world before its rehashed and beat to death.

Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.

Geez he can't let it go. One last dig. LOL.

That's all I'll say.

I cracked up reading your post. The song from frozen started playing in my head. Let it go, let it go.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2720485]Geez he can't let it go. One last dig. LOL.

That's all I'll say.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2720389]
Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]Sharing SB info too freely will drive some out when they realize we are comparing notes -- they will feel like ******.

Chatting with an RVA gal who has an SB mentor -- one girl might not realize a bunch of guys are conspiring to bang her like a drum for the lowest possible price, but two are sure to figure it out and get super careful.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2720713]Sharing SB info too freely will drive some out when they realize we are comparing notes -- they will feel like ******.

Chatting with an RVA gal who has an SB mentor -- one girl might not realize a bunch of guys are conspiring to bang her like a drum for the lowest possible price, but two are sure to figure it out and get super careful.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying a TER review, just a basic info such as what is she asking for her arrangement, is she expecting a fee for m / g, does she show up or cancel, is she pro or utr, a flake or gps. Useful info.

As far as scaring them off I think the mongers scare more off than the posting of useful info. Also for everyone that is scared off there is plenty of new profiles posted daily to replace them.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2720389]Yep this forum has been pretty well done for awhile. There is only so much James Bonding and CIA super sleuthing that can be done to the SB world before its rehashed and beat to death.

Now the new idea for here would be to follow the Cincinnati, Knoxville, and several other Sd forums that provides actual links and info to all of these SB that everyone seems to have here. That makes for much more entertaining reading. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]Yes here in Cincy we share info. And we post links and we even meet every few weeks for coffee to compare notes.

It has not made any good Sb's run away and it really made our life easier.

Traveling to Boston next week. Have two POTs lined up, one in the afternoon and one in the evening. Things look really great for both but want some feedback on a couple of things:

POT 1 (afternoon): mid 20's student, curvy white / latina with youthful features (she looks 21). Seems to have some minor body issues and doesn't appreciate how amazing her body is, so I am more than happy to help build that confidence. . Also likes a dominant but caring guy and that is me. We've had some great conversations, lots of pic exchanges, etc. Lined up to meet at my hotel, I offered to meet for a drink and she said, "why not just meet at your room?" So that's great. Nothing UTR about this girl in her profile or in our conversations. You can see the meager college / grad student furnishings in the background. No discussion of arrangement, actually. We've generally talked about meeting up as an opportunity to relieve some holiday / finals stress. So question 1 is whether there is a sugar expectation.

But question 2 is the more interesting one. As we were talking today she asked about using condoms, noting that she was clean per a test last month but not on Birth control. I said "of course" but as we continued to chat she made it clear that she likes being teased by a bare cock. Not full bareback fucking, but just wants me to tease and maybe put in "just the tip". Dare I play with fire (say in the second round when I am not worried about an accidental discharge)? Or just play it safe? My gut says play it safe for 79,000 different reasons. And maybe just enjoy withholding from her something that she would really like, which would turn me on as well. Certainly for the first meeting. Given how much it turned her on I was wondering whether there is some sort of specific fetish about being teased in this way that I didn't know about. I know the risk of getting her pregnant would be pretty damn small, particularly on round 2 when I can control, but that is a really stupid risk to take, right?

POT2 (evening girl): late 20's white girl, college grad and career oriented. Curvier than the first girl but still within my wheelhouse. Down for meeting at hotel bar for drink and going up to room if there's a connection. (Hope I can get the hotel staff to change the sheets and towels during my intermission! Definitely getting a dd / lg vibe from her (which I like). She's a first timer, but talked about she fantasizes about a man taking care of her every need and making her happy. The most recent conversation was mostly sexual. At some point it seemed to turn a little bit toward the sugar discussion, but when she asked "what do I get if I'm a good girl" I responded "what would you like" and she said she wants me to choose. The whole thing is vague enough that I really don't know whether we were still talking about sex stuff or something else. I shifted to focusing on fulfilling physical and affection needs and everything continued on. So, again, any obligation or expectation of sugar on my part?

I should note that in my time doing this I have had quite a few sugar-free encounters (at least 50%) and apparently my game is pretty strong particularly when I tap into our mutual kink. It never seemed to deny me a repeat visit or three. I'm a little reluctant to just leave each girl with a base $--don't want to insult them and would also rather give them nothing and make it up to them the next time. And cash is frankly tight on the home front. But it is Christmas.

Grinch or St. Nick?

I ASS-ume that you found these girls on a Sugar site? So they are there for mutual benefit. I would count on leaving some cash -of your $ choosing if they do not discuss it ahead of time. Be Santa. Some are expecting a big # and might get pissy if you are not over the top.

Bareback: I personally, would fill her pussy up with my seed. I LOVE BB and her teasing comments are music to my ears. Does she know who you are? If you think your secret agent skills are good enough don't worry about birth control. It is her problem. If she can locate you, fuck her bare then pull out and spray her somewhere safe. It is not likely that she wants to get pregnant with a random stranger anyway and won't inseminate herself. Some of these girls are stupid / naive. My SB is not yet on BC and when I cum on her tummy, she takes the washcloth and rubs her abs 1st, then down over her crotch. I had to teach her to wipe bottom up -DUH! STDs are the price of admission. The easy to get ones are easy to treat.

STD test: Do the sniff while eating her pussy. If she is stinky cover up. If she smells like a sweet pussy should go for it.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2719715]In the mid Atlantic, there are plenty of six figure jobs for young guys. Large law firms, investment bankers, IT, consulting jobs, etc.

My take is that the younger guys aren't interested in building up real wealth. When you're not worried about saving up enough to put a down payment on a house or investing heavily, and you're renting an apartment and leasing a range rover or Benz, its pretty easy to drop $500 on a date to hit a hot 20 year old.

Generational thought differences I guess.[/QUOTE]I can agree to this somewhat. I'm late 30's and divorced. The fleecing I took during divorce was a life changing event. So much so, that I joined The Bowl. Depending on the SB, I spend freely and have racked up a $500+ date or two. That's for strong 8-10 rated girls.

Girls lower on the scale I gave $0. They were mostly impressed by the fact I was somewhat relatable and in shape. They never mentioned sugar. They wanted me more as a "rich boyfriend" experience. These were the BBBJ on first date girls or the SBs that made no mention of using a condom in the FC. Literally these girls sighed in disappointment as I pulled out a condom. It sounds to me that these are the girls most guys in here like to chase. I liked some of these girls and they were fun, but I bored of them quickly.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2721656]

Hope I can get the hotel staff to change the sheets and towels during my intermission! ?[/QUOTE]Call HSKP as soon as she leaves. Spill a coke on the bed and mop it up with a towel so it just makes cosmetic damage.

Here's my theory. Every girl that chooses to do SB / SD has some form of a kink. At first I was like most guys attempting to treat this as a PPP type of event. I got no fulfillment out of it. I started looking for 10's, nothing less. This helped me tremendously with fixing problems with my game. The hotter girls are the most challenging.

I started reading all the self-help guy books I could find. The "3% Man" book was the holy grail for me and my relationships with women all started to make sense. Once I started changing my psyche I no longer needed The Bowl. I'll still keep it in my back pocket if needed though. I'd say 75% of the girls I meet IRL are bangable now.

I applied the stuff I was learning about being dominant, being confident and really paying attention to what the girl says and does. Some are hard for me to read at first and I couldn't tell if it was the sugar that kept them around. I never paid set amounts, it was more small gifts here and there and whatever bills SB needed help with. I was untrustful of intent. I lived by the mantra that if your SB is moving her lips, she's probably lying.

My main SB was your typical hot 20 something with GPS. She'd be bitchy randomly. She'd make attempts to overspend, etc. The normal hot girl testing you and trying to make you jealous. I stayed the course no matter what. I learned to stop giving in. Since she had all the intangibles I like and has the looks of a super-model I started to pursue this as a mental challenge primarily.

It dawned on me after some time and one particular incident how much I had this girl. I was wrangling keys around one morning and slamming some doors, but still in my house. She thinks I left out. I see her run to the front door in a panic and a very sad look on her face. She screams "Where is he going, why did he leave?

My opinion is that it's cost effective to make an SB yours, it doesn't have to be a transactional arrangement. It's more mileage in the long haul if you treat POTS like human beings. When I started listening to these girls I realized they are telling you everything you need to know. They are desperate for guidance, the sugar isn't really what they want. It's the masculine energy of a "successful" guy that they are looking for. Once they find you're worthy they'll be loyal. By all means spoil these girls, have fun. My point is you can do this and spend ZERO. Give freely based on how it makes you feel most importantly.