Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4147520]In the face she looks like Kelly McDonald from the movie " no country for old men".[/QUOTE]Yes, she does.

I been the posts from the THREE REASONS WHY To SUPER2017. Come on now. What a crack of crap. Most providers don't like other providers anyhow. Why They are afraid the other will steal their clients. MONEY LOSS TO THEM. Low end or high end that's what its about. Low end girls are driving the highend away Horseshit. Go to steve s agency. I've never used one or ever will. Don't need it. I've had very few bad experiances With as you call it low end girls. Very few. I don't do walkers. High end girls I guess are okay but I just don't see the point With the high volume of good decent providers we have here on USA and LISTCRAWLER I've been doing this a long time and believe me. The Dayton market is also good. Lenny 6746.

After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.

But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.

I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.

[QUOTE=TickleJay;4149605]After reading the thread in the USA Classified forum, I wanted to comment, so I'm moving here instead. Lots of comments about Sarah TT, and I saw her about 6 years ago. Great communication, awesome incall, and very sweet. The one thing that I missed, tho, was the lack of eye contact. I had noticed the same with Delicious Dawn, and more recently Chrissy Lynn. There have been some over the years who really knocked me out with their sessions, including a girl named Buffy who would visit occasionally from Columbus, a few of Buddha's girls, Rachel and Sasha, and one of the high dollar ladies from escorts dot com, who turned out to be a porn star.

But it's frustrating that the market today has hit some new lows. Some of the published pics have made me want to pull the trigger, but then I read a couple of bad reviews, or have a text convo, and that desire goes away. As it stands now, I have to think of excuses for out of town trips in order to get some playtime in. REALLY looking forward to Dallas this spring, and there's someone else about a 4 hour drive away who I am dying to see. She usually travels to Columbus, but mostly on weekends.

I'd love to find a UTR or SB close by. Thinking about ramping up my efforts to do that after the Texas trip.[/QUOTE]Have fun in Dallas, I go there about once a month for a few days and all I can say is wow! And the AMPs are out of this world, they actually let you pick!

[QUOTE=Observant;4148306]The way I have experienced these things is choosing between a budget restaurant and a fancy restaurant. The food might as well be the same, but the right fancy restaurant enhances the experience.

I had two fav providers from P411 and traveling companions that I used to drop 700 for 2 hours. They were mindblowing. Upscale hotels. Designer shoes, lingerie. Always fresh. Intelligent. True educated professionals.

One of them used to contact me frequently whenever she was planning to come in/around cincy and offer to make a trip to see me. She did come from Columbus for a three hour session. No surcharges. *it has stopped as I usually don't see providers anymore.

The other one showed me her public life and I was floored. She would be someone you would chase to date and get married.

Same example for massages. I usually go an AMP once a week. But once every 6-8 weeks I go see my legit therapist for 160 dollars for 2 hours and it works well for me.

The local fare. Least to say. I have been burnt more than I have enjoyed. Serious case of YMMV in cincy. On a regular day, I would walk by someone like Divine Rachel and not notice (maybe. Or I might be suffering from GDS). But try to setup an appointment and you would think that you are dealing with Aphrodite.

The only two local providers that mostly treated me well and I would go back to were Busty red and Sexii Lexii.

I don't think this discussion will ever end, but I had days where I was happy with 2-3 visits to an AMP and one upscale provider. Usually an out of town one, so I would not be tempted to keep going back.

Everyone should do what they do. What I don't think is cool that smitten people starting to drive the price up themselves as they are enamored by the provider.

Ob.[/QUOTE]Your last statement in this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Cincinnati specific board. But not for the reasons you think. The problem is not people driving up rates from subpar providers, the problem is you are driving away good (expensive) providers by acting like you should get a steak dinner at a McDonalds price. The most recent example I found of the problem, as I see it, is post #9872 in Jul of last year, and the conversation just before and after that post--not picking specifically on that particular poster. But the guys around it. When the guys in this area are negotiating for everything. INCLUDING negotiating with the travelling providers (That have a ton more sales experience and brand savvy the any of us will ever have) or even the good providers with a stated rate that rarely, or never come down from their rate. YOU are causing a situation where the only ladies that will put up with that kind of BS are the ones that HAVE to (the addicts, or the ones down on their luck that are engaging in survival sex). I GUARANTEE that the ladies that YOU say are good providers, Busty Red, Cincy Kyla, Brookee, are hearing this negotiating shit EVERY SINGLE TIME they do a booking--even with the establish mongers that are "looking for a deal" or "Hey you know I am a reliable guy". ANY girl that can get off of this board and go to P411, or Eros and find a better clientele has done so. And its OUR fault!! There are posts that say I'm only going to pay XXX for a BJ, or YYY for FS. When you make statements like that. Those rates ONLY exist in a SW, BP, or survival sex workers. The inevitable result will be that the higher end ladies will avoid this board like it is a plague. In order to stay the hell away from clients like that.

[QUOTE=CactusIago;4149699]Your last statement in this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Cincinnati specific board. But not for the reasons you think. The problem is not people driving up rates from subpar providers, the problem is you are driving away good (expensive) providers by acting like you should get a steak dinner at a McDonalds price. The most recent example I found of the problem, as I see it, is post #9872 in Jul of last year, and the conversation just before and after that post--not picking specifically on that particular poster. But the guys around it. When the guys in this area are negotiating for everything.[/QUOTE]I'm here. I thought I'd be at the end of that tunnel.

Do they agree to these lower price? Yeah? Like I said back then, on them.

[QUOTE] INCLUDING negotiating with the travelling providers (That have a ton more sales experience and brand savvy the any of us will ever have[/QUOTE]You're giving them far too much credit. They don't use savvy or anything else to make money, they use their body and biology to make money, and use their intuition about a customer to get leverage for a bigger pay out. I've already said this as well; a provider will have you pegged as someone that she can get a higher donation within a minute of meeting. She can use almost the same biological ques that she would use if you were actually courting. The only advantage they get is the natural one given by guys that are thinking far ahead with the little head before the big one even thinks, again something that they could pick if you were courting.

[QUOTE] or even the good providers with a stated rate that rarely, or never come down from their rate.[/QUOTE]Never say never.

[QUOTE]YOU are causing a situation where the only ladies that will put up with that kind of BS are the ones that HAVE to (the addicts, or the ones down on their luck that are engaging in survival sex). I GUARANTEE that the ladies that YOU say are good providers, Busty Red, Cincy Kyla, Brookee, are hearing this negotiating shit EVERY SINGLE TIME they do a booking--even with the establish mongers that are "looking for a deal" or "Hey you know I am a reliable guy". ANY girl that can get off of this board and go to P411, or Eros and find a better clientele has done so. And its OUR fault!! There are posts that say I'm only going to pay XXX for a BJ, or YYY for FS. When you make statements like that. Those rates ONLY exist in a SW, BP, or survival sex workers. The inevitable result will be that the higher end ladies will avoid this board like it is a plague. In order to stay the hell away from clients like that.[/QUOTE]Honestly, in Cincinnati is anyone of these typical that good looking, where they can just do whatever they want and get clients? I'll admit that I don't visit any sites other than here, and only look at links to other places when posted here, but I literally have never seen any women made out of unobtantium that is selling sex in this area. Regular girls walking, shopping, milling about, on average look better than providers that I have seen on here. As I have also said, the better ones, at best look like 'just some girl'. Normal people, have significant others that look at least at good as the better providers, and get to fuck for free. I didn't see a single provider for years until my lady gained baby weight, and then said something that I really didn't like regarding doing so. She was definitely better than these providers, including the ones I have seen, and those named.

Again, everyone is in this for something different. A lot of people similar to how you come off, may want everything out of these girls; a good incall, her to be wearing a certain fragrance, certain attire, that her feet be painted, that she has conversation before the deed, that she looks you in the eyes, tells you all the sweet little nothings you want to hear, that she kisses you like she loves you, that treats you like a man that she is in love with, that she enjoys your ministrations. I don't give a fuck about anything extra, we're not making love, I'm cumming due to your hand, mouth or pussy, thxkbye.

The self depreciation here is super strong.

I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.

Is a provider in a dirty place.

Not being freshly showered.

Wearing dirty clothes or dirty sweats.

Not preforming the tasks agreed on.

Watching the clock.

Body odors especially down below.

Rushing to finish session the hurry up thing.

Some one knocking at the door.

Asking for a tip when they didn't preform well.

No cleanup after the session. Or nothing to cleanup with.

Thats just a few of them Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]If you know one like this please send me a PM with her name and number explanation point!

Golfguy, playing through.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]There are 400 per hr ladies 300 and 250,200, going down to 140 and 120 depending on services.

Cincinnati has one. She has a private incall, fully stocked bathroom, mirrors on the wall, outfits galore including outfits that make her look like.

I dream of genie, sex swing, massage table, full menu, Nuru rubs, sex bench, gorgeous body, long blonde hair, make up and blue eyes, smell great, awesome kisser, and enjoys sex like a man does.

Over the years I've seen her over 2 dozen times.

Non smoker. All that for 250 offers wine and if you make a longer appointment she will provide fruits and cheese.

Sara aka Tongue Twister is incomparable.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]It is all subjective. Guys on here want a 22 yo virgin provider who sucks dick like a Catholic girl, fucks like the ***** that she really is and works for $50 an hour. The reality is that no one is really happy with what they get.

If anyone would participate in the forum I would start a User Forum for "High Dollar Hotties" in which any woman at $200+ would be reviewed and discussed. I am afraid it would be useless like the "NCNS" forum I started that no one posted in.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4150456]I have been reading a lot about quality lately and find it somewhat confusing. Are you talking about the quality of looks or the quality of performance? Does quality mean just younger women? Does quality mean a fair market price? Quality to me is a good looking woman of any age who will worship your cock and seems to enjoy fucking you for a fair price. I guess it's all subjective.[/QUOTE]Dillsboro Dave isn't "wrong". But I think there's a subtext here that is worth unpacking, that demonstrates where many of us differ on what quality means.

All of us read Playboy when we were adolescents, or at least saw it. That's the standard for "quality": conventionally attractive. Young, slender, and pretty. We all know it when we see it.

And for the most part, we ain't seeing it here of late.

Quality means not obese (like so many of the providers here are), and not "rough". (Or, in the case of many, both rough and obese.).

And no, I don't want them "of any age". Does that mean 40 is okay? 50? What about 60?

I want someone definltey under 30, preferably under 25, ideally between the ages of 18 and 22.

I've seen the reports from guys who say they prefer older providers, and I do not get this at all.

And I'm not a spring chicken myself. I was born when Lyndon Johnson was president, and came of age during the Reagan years. But I'm not looking for women my own age (or anywhere close to that) when I look for providers.

Nor am I picking out a potential girlfriend or wife. This is about fantasy, and my fantasies are pretty, fit, and *young*.

[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4132624]Dude, you're going to have to get a monger phone or an app with a different number you can use with do not disturb (google voice with a different number than your main one will work, but if your girlfriend is in your phone, she'll probably find this.) We can rant all we want about discretion, but unless you're really seeing a small number of highly responsible providers, you're unlikely to get that.[/QUOTE]Another suggestion, get in your phone settings and turn off texts popping up in banners with a sound. True, it may take a little longer to respond and will take diligence on your part to check texts more often, but it is WAY safer. There is no diehard need to know the second you get a text. And if anyone asks I have said that I play a phone game app where banners popping up on the screen causes the game to crash and my blood pressure to rise. My phone, my preferences, I will have what I want pop up or not dammit. LOL.

Jay.

[QUOTE=OhioBoy1;4150547]There are 400 per hr ladies 300 and 250,200, going down to 140 and 120 depending on services.

Cincinnati has one. She has a private incall, fully stocked bathroom, mirrors on the wall, outfits galore including outfits that make her look like.

I dream of genie, sex swing, massage table, full menu, Nuru rubs, sex bench, gorgeous body, long blonde hair, make up and blue eyes, smell great, awesome kisser, and enjoys sex like a man does.

Over the years I've seen her over 2 dozen times.

Non smoker. All that for 250 offers wine and if you make a longer appointment she will provide fruits and cheese.

Sara aka Tongue Twister is incomparable.[/QUOTE]Sex Bench? WTF is that? LOL Goddamn it. Someone PM her number please.

I agree with you 100%. If I am paying for it, I am looking for a fantasy girl. I am willing to pay for quality, but it is severely lacking in this area.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4151839]Dillsboro Dave isn't "wrong". But I think there's a subtext here that is worth unpacking, that demonstrates where many of us differ on what quality means.

All of us read Playboy when we were adolescents, or at least saw it. That's the standard for "quality": conventionally attractive. Young, slender, and pretty. We all know it when we see it.

And for the most part, we ain't seeing it here of late.

Quality means not obese (like so many of the providers here are), and not "rough". (Or, in the case of many, both rough and obese.).

And no, I don't want them "of any age". Does that mean 40 is okay? 50? What about 60?

I want someone definltey under 30, preferably under 25, ideally between the ages of 18 and 22.

I've seen the reports from guys who say they prefer older providers, and I do not get this at all.

And I'm not a spring chicken myself. I was born when Lyndon Johnson was president, and came of age during the Reagan years. But I'm not looking for women my own age (or anywhere close to that) when I look for providers.

Nor am I picking out a potential girlfriend or wife. This is about fantasy, and my fantasies are pretty, fit, and *young*.[/QUOTE]