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[QUOTE=FredMoore;2705626]IF you marry -go up! If you go down you will be stuck with support and asset division. If she has as much or more to lose then you can walk with your ASS-ets intact -or more.[/QUOTE]Yes. True, very true. That would be the only way to come out of it clean and perhaps increasing your own assets.
Ok. You all should get a good laugh at this. As I have been reading your stint with baby names I thought she was wanting role play "sugar baby" names. Like while you spank here and have her take directions and meet you whims. LOL. Like I said. I am an idiot or a deviant. Hmmmmmm not hard to pick which!
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2706450]Next time she brings up baby names (I am guessing it will happen within the next few months), tell her that you've decided not to have children. The reaction might be eye opening.
Based on my own personal experience, when a girl moves in, she assumes the next step is a ring, and then a baby. This of course is a gross generalization and I have no idea what your specific situation with your SB / so is, so for all I know your girl may have no intention of trying to get you to settle down.
You may not have any plans to get married or have a kid, but that feeling may not be mutual. It may very well be her intention to keep things as interesting as they are right now for as long as possible, so she can keep gaining your confidence and wear you down.
I doubt you'd be living with a SB / so that wasn't a semi decent young lady. That being said, in my humble opinion, most decent young ladies who want to move in with a guy are looking for more than just a simple sugar daddy. If you were with a utr gold digger, than my analysis would be completely different, but I doubt that's the case.
Sounds like you're having fun though which is the most important part. Who knows, maybe she'll even convince you to settle down? Even crazier, who knows, maybe you'll even like it.
The only thing I would personally be concerned about is if you are both on completely different pages. While having a serious sit down conversation about what you're both looking for kills the fun of the game, I've found that it can avoid a huge headache later. She might be assuming that your willingness to engage in names of future babies as a sign that you're ready to settle down with her now that you've been living together for a couple months. When she finds out that you've been just enjoying the ride (literally and figuratively) it might throw her into one of those rages where she takes a bat to your car, cuts up your clothes, and then shows up to your office and makes a huge scene. Might not happen now, might not happen tomorrow, but the longer you hold off on having that serious conversation, the more likely its going to happen.
Having the conversation sucks because the very possibility of marraige and kids (no matter how slim) is often a huge driving force in the emotional attachment a baby will give to you, and along with it, the willingness to submit to you. Sexually, emotionally, mentally, etc.
On the other hand, if its not a possibility, and you don't make it clear up front, then the more the girl is going to feel like you've been stringing her along, and the more likely she is going to go apeshit when you drop the bomb that its not in the realm of possibility.
Just my two cents based on my own experiences. Your situation may be completely different, and its quite possible that I've only dated crazy women in the past. Even more importantly, you may be keeping a slim opening of the possibility that you might one day consider settling down with her. And if that's the case, then there is no good reason to ever have a serious conversation, or at least until you know that the possibility is one that is completely foreclosed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2706710]Ok. You all should get a good laugh at this. As I have been reading your stint with baby names I thought she was wanting role play "sugar baby" names. Like while you spank here and have her take directions and meet you whims. LOL. Like I said. I am an idiot or a deviant. Hmmmmmm not hard to pick which![/QUOTE]That's what I thought.
Hoya-Smelly gave a great discussion of your situation. But I'm of the opinion that it would not serve you well to rock this lovely boat your are on. If you dash her dreams of the future her attitude could possibly change. Let it be and let her dream. You will benefit 1000 times over.
OTOH, if she asks specific and directed questions about your future together, you should tell her the reality. If you string her along at that point she could go nuclear if you were misleading her purposefully.
Prepay trial worked out, but a lesson learned:
I did not have change a while back so I advanced my SB 2 weeks sugar instead of the PTP. She paid off and all is good, but she had conflicts, etc and dragged things out for 10 days. Daddy got horny. I think we need to keep some babies hungry and dependent on the next payday. Sadly, we often think these girls can't wait to get their pussies filled by Daddy, but the reality is they just need the $$. I trust her not to stiff me, but I do not trust her to keep to the schedule if she is momentarily flush. If they are looking for the next week's grocery payment and have to eat they will go out of their way to see us.
[QUOTE=RealMan2000;2706758]That's what I thought.[/QUOTE]To clarify, the SB / SO was referring to how I like certain "baby" names. By "baby" I'm referring to the cultural more of naming a human fetus or young infant.
Perhaps us bros really are deviants and assh0 les. Myself included. This has to be the funniest post I've had in here. LOL.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2705887]We all have different wants / desires from our SB's so I will explain mine. I have not had a steady SB for about 3 years. I in general I prefer a single LT (long term) SB. Yes I have had some short timers too usually because of the weeding process. I have to admit I hate it but I have a very narrow field of what is attractive to me. I hate it because I can see many SBs and say they are attractive and certainly understand why someone would hit it but I just have a narrow niche of interest. I have belonged to the sites and those have always ended up being short term (ST) . Since I am narrow minded with my interest I almost always approach the POT with my intention of a LT situation and discuss monthly allowance usually early (maybe not specific amounts) and if it ends then I just quit the allowance. With that said my preference is LT. So. I have had 3 LT and looking to have my 4th LT SBs. By this I mean 1. 5 yrs plus. 3 of the 4 I met "off the grid" Meaning these were girls who were not on any SB search and for each our situation was their 1st experience. (Incidentally for all the dumb luck my ATF was from SD4 M of all places and we had a genuine connection and would of loved to keep her but we were 25 yrs apart (I was single at this time but still choose the sugar GF route) . She wanted kids. I did not she said it would all workout but I felt like I would be stealing some of her life if that materialized for us. Soo you say yeah. Yeah. She's all into until the money stops. So I tested that. I told her I had a drastic change in income and would not be able to help her out. BTW her monthly allowance was only $600 and we met 6-10 x a mth. So for the next 3 mths she still came to visit at which time I reinstated her allowance. She lived an hour away. This is a chick who was on an academic and athletic scholarship too!. I would slide her some gas money and many nights (they were almost always overnights) I would say we probably just need to stay in because of budget and she would cook for me. Etc). Annnyway. The other 3 were met by other means. One was a school mentoring program another was a bartender and this current one is a bartender.
NOW. I am not saying these are sweet innocent virgin girls but none had ever had an SD before. All of the above I approached with a very soft approach and let them know we would proceed at a pace they are comfortable with. I followed though with that promise and ALL turned out to be good investments. The prior 3 I had helped them each time we met to varying degres. Maybe a gift card for a spa visit. A gas card etc. Usually $50 - $100 each meet. The first 3 I would say I invested 500 700 (5-8 meetings) before the "panties" hit the floor. In not ONE of the situations did I EVER say. Hey we need this to move along or the sugar stops. They definitely considered it more of dating. I was never grabby. Never said how hot they were. (not until later when there is dirty bedroom talk) . But I would spend time asking about them. And usually did not even give a physical compliment until meeting 4 or 5 and that was in more of a simple manner not the BS lines they here when out at bars etc. This whole routine elevates them and helps them feel good as a whole about themselves which most young women have a void with. Soooo are you ready for your jaws to drop? Over the course of 7 weeks I have invested about $1200 on my current POT. And we have met for lunches and dinners about 9-10 times (FYI I do have an SO so yes this has been with some caution and risk) . After the 3rd meet she texted how she really wanted to be more affectionate with me and if that was ok. She was so at our next meeting. Move forward several meetings and she asked. When can we get some more time together. Maybe an overnight?. My whole point is it all is what you are wanting but my experience with some prepay has worked very well for me. But it has been with girls I have found in non traditional methods and has provided long fruitful situations. Sooo we have something scheduled at a hotel dinner etc this Friday (SO is out of town) . She kinda knows about the SO but thinks we are getting divorced, and no. She does not know my real name thus figuring out the whole fake name hotel sign in stuff.
Well that's my story if you made it this far. I will be pre booking a room and taking that chance but outlook is good. Wish me luck brotherhood and I will update. Oh. We have talked allowance. I communicated I could help her out about 700 month. She works (23 yrs old) has a younger child.[/QUOTE]LikeMike,
What you really described is the original process of a man, having one or more mistresses. Some of them are full time, some are part time, some long term, some sort term. When we (in Asia) refer to a girl as a Sugar Baby, it usually indicates either a big gap in age (25+ years) or it is obvious to everyone that the girl is in The Arrangement only for the Money. In these cases, it is always. The girl is exclusively for The Man. I really like your approach and have a similar outlook.
As for the hotel, I recommend using [URL]www.hotwire.com[/URL]. They have a very good selection of discounts by almost all top brand hotels.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2704130]Getting a room BEFORE you meet a new SB presents a risk, since a lot of girls flake. I usually reserve the room, if it can be done without a cost. Then I park her in the bar / lounge while I sign up for the room. When I know she is going to show on date 2, then it makes sense to pre-pay for the room.[/QUOTE]During dinner or coffee when it's 100% certain FC I book using the hotel tonight phone app. Very low rates for quality and premium hotels. It caches your credit card info, so payment is instant. It's normal hotel check-in and photo I'd presented.
Gentlemen,
My "alternate profile / seeking a third for me and my baby" experiment is in full swing, and I can barely keep up! I have two stock messages I'm sending out; one is straightforward and targeted to those little fish who indicate on their profiles that they are looking for women as well as men. The other one is worded towards babies who don't say anything about women, but are hot just the same and I would love to fuck.
It contains some language along the lines of "I'm not sure what I'm looking for is something you'd be interested in or not, but I felt like I had to contact you just in case because I am so drawn to your looks and what you say about your ideal connection. " I am astonshed at how many closet bisexual or bi-curious babies there are out there. I may just abandon my other profile for a while and concentrate on this new one.
Now granted it's only been up for two days, but I must have 20+ active fish on the line at this point, and more keep contacting me every hour or so.
I share this with you not to brag, but to encourage those among you who have a current SB who might entertain a threesome to forge ahead. I admit that no panties have hit the floor just yet, but I am confident they will shortly. After all, I only went live on Friday.
To those of you who can work this angle, tally ho!!
More anon,
Scott.
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As for the hotel, I recommend using [URL]www.hotwire.com[/URL]. They have a very good selection of discounts by almost all top brand hotels.[/QUOTE]I prefer either [URL]hotels.com[/URL] or booking directly with the hotel. [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] is great because of the welcome rewards gives you a free night for every 10 booked. Once you hit silver or gold, the customer service is great. Had to cancel a non refundable room on an occasion or two, but they gave me a credit for the cost of the room.
Booking with the hotel is good if you're willing to roll the dice. I've had one or two short stays that ended up getting refunded to me because I did an early check in, and then checked out before normal check in. The first time it happened, it was because I found a great rate directly with the hotel and then when I checked out after the FC session, the front desk gave me a courtesy refund since I didn't stay the night. It's worked a few times afterwards, but only at that particulate hotel chain.
I have not tried it since Starwood got bought out by Marriott, but if the policies are the same, it might still work, depending on whether you can get the right person behind the front desk.
Scott,
I have done this about a dozen times thus far in the past year. This works extremely well on both those who have men / women listed as well as those who solely list men on their profiles. I have even hooked the wife up with a "toy" and my SB played it off just fine. This is some good stuff, so keep it up. It will work without a doubt!
Cheers: Thresh.
[QUOTE=FScott;2708420]Gentlemen,
My "alternate profile / seeking a third for me and my baby" experiment is in full swing, and I can barely keep up! I have two stock messages I'm sending out; one is straightforward and targeted to those little fish who indicate on their profiles that they are looking for women as well as men. The other one is worded towards babies who don't say anything about women, but are hot just the same and I would love to fuck.
It contains some language along the lines of "I'm not sure what I'm looking for is something you'd be interested in or not, but I felt like I had to contact you just in case because I am so drawn to your looks and what you say about your ideal connection. " I am astonshed at how many closet bisexual or bi-curious babies there are out there. I may just abandon my other profile for a while and concentrate on this new one.
Now granted it's only been up for two days, but I must have 20+ active fish on the line at this point, and more keep contacting me every hour or so.
I share this with you not to brag, but to encourage those among you who have a current SB who might entertain a threesome to forge ahead. I admit that no panties have hit the floor just yet, but I am confident they will shortly. After all, I only went live on Friday.
To those of you who can work this angle, tally ho!!
More anon,
Scott.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Sounds amazing.
[QUOTE=Thresh;2711501]Scott,
I have done this about a dozen times thus far in the past year. This works extremely well on both those who have men / women listed as well as those who solely list men on their profiles. I have even hooked the wife up with a "toy" and my SB played it off just fine. This is some good stuff, so keep it up. It will work without a doubt!
Cheers: Thresh.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FScott;2701538]Mike,
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I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?
Hope everyone had a great holiday!
Scott.[/QUOTE]It's interesting the discussion of hotels is ongoing, as I just had a situation the other day that I wanted to post about.
I always reserve a room with my business credit card, and then pay cash at check-out. This gets around the gift card amounts, etc etc, and leaves no long term trail on the card (It does show a pending transaction for a few days as a hold by the hotel, but it disappears). When I check-in, I always tell them I'm going to pay cash at check-out as I've had an overly aggressive hotel charge me before I could check-out. When I went to check-out, I was told the hotel does not accept cash. This was a hotel that a few weeks ago I paid cash. The clerk wasn't budging. So, I asked to change the card as I had a gift card with me. Nope. She could change the card for an hour because the system was being audited. I had to catch a flight. I couldn't wait. I couldn't believe they wouldn't take cash. First time I've ever had a hotel refuse cash.
Moral of the story. Always ask if they accept payment in cash if that's what you're going to do.
As for the brother looking for advice on names at the hotel, I've always used my middle name and true last name (it's common) along with a fake address.
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2691190]So what's your approach that seems to be working exactly?[/QUOTE]I haven't been checking the board much lately. I just saw this.
My approach is essentially like Archer mentioned here a bit earlier. I treat them with respect, and I don't bring up sex until we've established a pretty solid base. I also don't always go for the FC on the first meeting. I treat it more like dating than trying to add another notch in my belt. I usually take them to a nice restaurant and get a decent bottle of wine. That puts dinner in the $100+ range usually. I'm not getting it free. The money has just changed accounting codes!
I did have one indicated she didn't want sugar, but then started asking me for small things. I've kept her in the rotation, but if her demands escalate I'll have to drop her.
I am in Phila PA area and was wondering if there are any SB forums in PA / NJ / Dealawre?
In an earlier post I mentioned about using an approach that worked for me, and I found it in the index. I was able to use another name with success a couple of times. I went and looked where I found it and pasted it here.
USA SB Highlights Part 9 - Security
BigTigger post #2648: changing hotel reservation names.
Sorry copying the link doesn't seem to work.