NoVA SugarBabies

I been seeing one of my SB for over a year. She been hinting about getting into a real relationship. I just keep telling her that if we are in a real relationship she would lose her allowance. That quiet her down a little. I recently got her pregnant, and thank the heavens she took care of that problem. She been clingy, and been pushing for more. She keeps saying that I'm the longest relationship she had. She even ask about me wifeing her up in the future. I just ignore her, and tell her I'm too old for her. She 21 years old and I'm 43 years old.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SolRayode8;6273790]Happy Holidays. I haven't been very active on SA so never had much to report. This one caught my eye, so I reached out to her and to be honest, I'm not sure what this was all about, but my experience with CheekyTemptress was a huge waste of time. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5651c028-395c-49c5-94a9-591bdcaf5462[/URL].

Had a good conversation going on SA. She asked to move to Whatsapp pretty quickly (1st red flag); moved to Whatsapp where the approximately 2 week conversation was ok, except for the fact that most of her responses consisted of only 2-3 words (2nd red flag); she told me, "I am looking for an open arrangement where we have something on going and meeting for fun. " Said she couldn't host and agreed to come to me for $350. Two days before the scheduled meet, she asked, "Can you buy me weed?" I told her that I didn't smoke and wouldn't know how to go about it or how to get it to her. She ask me to cashapp her and she'd buy it herself (3rd red flag). I told her I didn't send money to anyone I'd not met. She said ok and said she was looking forward to us meeting. The day before our meet, I asked her to confirm that we were still getting together. She said "yes". The day of our meet, I asked if all was still good, she said "yes." I asked her to let me know if something came up, if she was going to be late or not be able to make it and she said "okay."

Of course, no show, no text, no message, no call.

Although I'm not out any money, I'll never get that time back. Her profile is still active, so be careful.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother with someone who has no verbiage in her profile. The photo is likely not her.

This hottie has had multiple profiles over the past few years. Pretty, huge breasts, nice skin. Has anyone actually met her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ea0d43ea-f0f0-4bc5-9e25-0e1458843f9f[/URL]#x.

[QUOTE=DickLongwood;6274399]This hottie has had multiple profiles over the past few years. Pretty, huge breasts, nice skin. Has anyone actually met her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ea0d43ea-f0f0-4bc5-9e25-0e1458843f9f[/URL]#x.[/QUOTE]I said 'Hello' to her on Seeking and she said "That all sounds great 😊 what kind of allowance are you offering".

I was turned off.

[QUOTE=WorkYard;6274460]I said 'Hello' to her on Seeking and she said "That all sounds great 😊 what kind of allowance are you offering".

I was turned off.[/QUOTE]But any SB that responds with $ request without us even meeting to get acquainted is not worth my time and so I block them immediately. If all there simply in it for the $$.

I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

Also, I'm amazed at the SB asking for SD but are clear that the engagement will be strictly platonic w / no sex LOL. What SD in their right mind would contact them?

Anyways I'm new in past week and have 3 potential SBs that seem legit and cool and will report back.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6273418]New to this. Signed up to SA. Just wondering if you guys just plain ask if intimacy is included in the PPM or if you sorta just bring it up during the actual meeting. I assume these women are in this site knowing the drill, but some profiles and some of your reports are throwing me off.[/QUOTE]I know of more than one person who got banned from SA because they were a little too direct in their language about exchanging sex for money when messaging on SA. At some point I usually just move the conversation to text or have a platonic meet & greet (usually lunch) and discuss specifics about the ppm subject there.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268887]Jesus, why would you pay that skank $1 k??

Killing me and killing the market.[/QUOTE]I don't think someone paying a girl $1 K PPM kills the market. It just means that girl is out of reach for some.

Kinda like some people buy $9 digital watches at Walmart, and some spend many (many, many) thousands on a Rolex or Breitling or whatever.

[QUOTE=Xaxado;6274600]I know of more than one person who got banned from SA because they were a little too direct in their language about exchanging sex for money when messaging on SA. At some point I usually just move the conversation to text or have a platonic meet & greet (usually lunch) and discuss specifics about the ppm subject there.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I didn't know that they monitor those messages. I will be careful.

Do some guys give an allowance and then also PPM? I think that is excessive. I've been reading in this forum that perhaps the dinner, entertainment, hotel, and PPM is enough to get some intimacy during a meeting, so no allowance needed. Or perhaps just an allowance but no PPM, maybe the allowance gets your more meets? Seems like the younger crowd is more open to this than the entitled later 20's or 30's.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6274671]Thanks. I didn't know that they monitor those messages. I will be careful.

Do some guys give an allowance and then also PPM? I think that is excessive. I've been reading in this forum that perhaps the dinner, entertainment, hotel, and PPM is enough to get some intimacy during a meeting, so no allowance needed. Or perhaps just an allowance but no PPM, maybe the allowance gets your more meets? Seems like the younger crowd is more open to this than the entitled later 20's or 30's.[/QUOTE]LOL no. Just one or the other. I try to stay away from the ones seeking an allowance, at least initially upfront I try to sell them on a ppm arrangement and then if things are going well for a month or two we can discuss an allowance.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6274607]I don't think someone paying a girl $1 K PPM kills the market. It just means that girl is out of reach for some.

Kinda like some people buy $9 digital watches at Walmart, and some spend many (many, many) thousands on a Rolex or Breitling or whatever.[/QUOTE]No, that's not the point. I've happily paid $5 k for Omegas and Breitlings. But I'm not paying $1 k for the Casio skank.

The market is the market.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/acbc2512-c0ab-4746-8112-9051e8177fe9[/URL] BBB Again

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9332f715-56ab-4718-bdd6-5bdd2d3afc60[/URL] elizxoxo

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1ef81386-1f97-4f85-87bb-4ee93e5f0196[/URL] Dahlia Rose

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3833e686-507b-4ffd-acbb-a5cbb2758e16[/URL] Bbyv

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/36fe1217-af78-48dc-b505-1865b7d2235a[/URL] LittleRose

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9fb2f2dd-7fdc-4eb7-ad66-05184036f473[/URL] Lanafitz93

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a40ba1e5-622e-428f-ae6d-29ef488c817e[/URL] FlirtyCutie

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce790153-b51e-4a09-b97b-f4a83a1e1ae0[/URL] ErikaEnvy

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/101f277e-635a-4c60-9d89-43f72b01580f[/URL] PersephoneSiren

Appreciate any heads up either via response or PM.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;6274318]I been seeing one of my SB for over a year. She been hinting about getting into a real relationship. I just keep telling her that if we are in a real relationship she would lose her allowance. That quiet her down a little. I recently got her pregnant, and thank the heavens she took care of that problem. She been clingy, and been pushing for more. She keeps saying that I'm the longest relationship she had. She even ask about me wifeing her up in the future. I just ignore her, and tell her I'm too old for her. She 21 years old and I'm 43 years old.[/QUOTE]I'm in my 50's been seeing a 30 something MILF. All nomal boudaries dropped from the moment we met. That she told me last week that our anniversary is coming up, I suppose its a relationsip.

Pros: doesn't matter what I give her as long as I give her something. The sex is absolutely off the charts. Zero limits and insatiable. She's in DC me NY. The geography and us both having lives keeps it from being too frequent and this doesn't bother her. Always BB.

Cons: clingy. Tells me she misses me constantly. How she has not dropped the L word IDK. MILF Bod. Its good, but not a 20 something hard body.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]I've had a handful of experiences where real feelings developed. It can go poorly unless you have a solid head on your shoulders and communicate effectively.

First experience. Relatively early on in my sugaring days, met someone, we connected instantly, and she agreed we would not really have the sugar part. The lack of boundaries scared me a little and I was definitely more into her than I should have been. She moved away so it resolved itself. (Fun fact, her profile pic for a while was her holding a Plan B I bought her. Looking back, we should have had sugar from the get-go and had I been more in touch with my non-monogamous side I probably could have navigated that, because neither of us intended to be exclusive.

Second experience. About a year later, had an incredible ongoing arrangement with a lovely young woman. Sexual chemistry firing on all cylinders plus logistical convenience that led to regular meetings as much as 2-3 times a week. We genuinely connected on multiple levels and I found myself falling for her a bit. It seemed like she was doing the same. She moved in with her folks and that brought it to an end. Looking back, I think had I been able to communicate more directly and effectively, I could have resolved my concerns and kept the dynamic where it belonged. (Fun fact, she is back out on her own again and I still see her from time to time. It's fun but the magic of the original visits is gone.).

Third experience. Last year, hit it off with someone who was definitely falling for me. She wasn't consistently obsessive, and there was a d / s component to the dynamic so it was somewhat wrapped up in that, but it was clear she was over a line I did not want her to cross over. In her defense, the time together was pretty electric, but I most definitely did not not feel the same way. I cut it off, which was drama laden but that helped convince me it was for the best.

Fourth experience. Around the same time, also hit it off with another SB. She's very much my speed on multiple levels, and our chemistry is electric. She was somewhat experienced in poly life and also incredibly clear and communicative. Through our conversations and time together I broke through my own barriers on monogamy and got comfortable with the fact that a part of me really cared for her, and that she cared for me, and that did not undermine or take away from my feelings in my primary relationship. Again, communication has been essential in all of this. We've been together for over a year and it is by far the best arrangement I've had. One of the best relationships I've had. It is healthy and positive and supportive in all ways.

Moral of this story is that you absolutely can enjoy a mature and healthy relationship within a sugar context, but it takes time, chemistry, logistics, and communication.

This one is expecting a ppm of 2 k. A ppm, not an allowance. LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e23e4219-61d0-4869-9cd5-da9b7c0adf2c[/URL]

Little further south but a few SBs tried to do what I call "dating". This ain't dating if you get payments but can give her the illusion if it make her feel like she's not an escort.

My buddy's top girl started to catch feelings and wanted to not charge, exchange full names, and go out. Had passion with her but never left the hotel. Had to decline because real dating is too much upkeep and had to keep the expectation what that was is physical only with passion of lovers.

Not here to hand out free meals or pay while making sure she is satisfied but willing to paint date or girlfriend illusion for feelings. She's paid to make the man's needs first, not paid for her to acknowledge you or make you jump through dating or waiting hoops.

Money and gifts off the table and we can date as equals but most want the money to flow and have multiple daddies they don't want to give up. Hooked on easy money but girl not charging and just going to SB site to find a good guy are dangerous/broken. Pay, play house, next.

The problem is girls minds are not designed for physical long term long term and some fools are actually using the site to exclusive date or find husbands. They want more and can risk getting upset if they don't get it. Had to cut it off before risk but was fun and hot! Just gotta be gentle to show them this ain't tender if paid.

If you are single go for it but you can't save a 304. Enjoy them, connect, treat them right, but don't fall in love long term. Too many risks and a good quality wife ain't a 2nd hand SB/escort. No hate and be nice, my buddy even had stronger bonds with SBs than girls actually dated but they are still arrangements not relationships. There is a reason these amazing girls are single or aren't already made wives.