Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

That boycott thing gets talked about often over the years, and it doesn't work. Either way. This business doesn't lend itself to cartels. Pussy and horny dudes are both in vast supply.

It's really pretty easy though. Ask a price. If it seems right, do it. If not, decline. If she's willing to bargain, you'll hear that pretty quickly.

There are some nuances. Some will quote you one price, then raise it subsequently. In many cases, this is a cop test actually, and you should never go along with it because it makes you look like a cop. It's actually, BTW, a better cop test than the standard "cop a feel first" test on site. Or the even stupider "are you a cop?" question. Guess what? They're allowed to lie. They're allowed to slip their schlongs into the girls if it's "necessary" to make the case. Most of these cases will never see anything but a preliminary hearing anyway, and they're probably just layering on a charge for plea leverage of some kind or to make a quota. But I digress.

Either way, being agreeable to paying an outrageous rate can mark you as a potential cop for the savvier providers. Unfortunately, this isn't ironclad. I have heard some of the cops will bargain just to appear legit.

Legally, I believe you are better off not initiating an offer. Practically, I'm not sure it makes much difference, because once you're in the grasp, cops will just lie or where possible manufacture evidence.

PUSSY is not one of them nor do they control the market We do. The two words are YES and NO. They have a right to charge whatever they can get. We have the right to say no. Do we need PUSSY some do most if you think about it DON'T. Do they need your dollars. Hell yes. The sooner men figure that out the better. They need to pay rent, put food on the table, buy clothes, pay utilities keep a decent room to work out of pay for transportation, feed and clothe their kids, ETC, ETC, ETC. Most guys with loose wallets and deep pockets don't give a shit. They see good looking pussy they go shit crazy. There are ladies who will bargain just like men will. Part of the game. So when men figure out who REALLY controls the game, they will become better shoppers. DO YOU REALLY think most of the ladies out there doing this for a living can go out and make a 100 an hour at a REGULAR job? HELL NO. But most want a hundred to 150 l or more for an hour to fk you blow you or all of the above. Think about it. Ladies choice to ask what she wants. Man's choice to say yes or no. Simple as that my friends.

Your very long winded, but 100 percent accurate. I wouldn't of took the time to say all that, but I respect you did.

I have nothing what so ever to offer this discussion.

[QUOTE=Hooter12;4111556]Here we go again. A monger saying we have to tell the providers what we think they should charge. First place, you're saying that every monger, every single guy that see all the providers, is on the USA site so we should all stick together and boycott and make them drop their prices. I would guess a fraction of those seeing providers are members of the USA site.

I've posted about his before, a while back. Who are we, who are you, to tell a provider she is charging too much? "High end bullshit. I won't pay that for two girls. Much less one. " Ok, so don't pay. So don't see her. Don't tell somebody else, who is willing to see the provider for the amount she wants, that he shouldn't do it because you in fact want to see her, but don't have or won't spend the amount she wants. So we should not see her until she drops to a price that you think she should and you would pay? There are tons of providers I have seen advertised that I wouldn't see because I won't spend that kind of money on her because I simply don't find her attractive to spend that kind of money. Does that mean she is asking too much? To me yes, to others no. Then there would be another monger who likes her looks and what she offers, and to him, she is worth what she is asking and he pays it. Then she's not asking too much. I've paid big bucks to see two current porn stars that I have documented on here. For the experience I think it was worth it. Would I do it again? Probably not with them. But I certainly wouldn't tell other guys to boycott them because they are asking too much. Because as long as they are getting the business they require, want or need, then they are not asking too much. And I wouldn't spend that kind of bank on a local provider.

And that's all the point. A provider has her self priced knowing what she needs. If 9 out of 10 guys won't see her but she does get that one who will, and that one is all she needs to get what she needs, then she is priced just right. A provider decides and makes the decision on whether she is asking too much, not you or any of us. I don't believe most providers are looking to get every monger, to get everyone. Those that are we call street walkers. Those that advertise want a certain price and are satisfied with the percentage of those willing to pay. If they arent satisfied, then they lower their price. I drive a very expensive car. I think its worth it. I have friends that think its ridiculous to spend that kind of money on a car and wouldn't do it. But they aren't suggesting all car buyers boycott that particular car manufacturer to drop their prices so they can buy one. The manufacturer knows it isn't going to get all car buyers. These providers know they arent going to get all mongers and they don't want them. If they did they'd be working the street. They just want the ones willing to pay what they feel is fair for their services. If they get that certain percentage, then their price is just right. The ones I don't like I don't pay to see them and neither should you. And there are ones that I do like but I won't spend the cash they are asking but obviously others do and I don't begrudge them that. And I certainly don't have the right to tell them they are wrong and that the provider is wrong. And neither do you. And don't tell me I shouldn't see someone to try and make the provider more affordable for you. If I think she is worth it then she is. To me. Not to you? Ok.[/QUOTE]

The unfortunate part of this trade is you don't really know if you're getting a good deal til it's too late in most instances. I have only walked away once prior to engagement because I didn't anticipate the value I was looking for per menu and looks. The key is to be open and honest and plan your future around weather you feel you get good value. Negotiate future visits if the services were of you're liking. I usually add a tip if services were good and pricing was fair, or I'll let her know I didn't feel I got my moneys worth. The good ones, the smart ones, know this.

Rather than call for some stupid boycott, Mongers should post quality reviews including menu items and pricing, unless the providers request not.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;4110505]We need to stick together there's no pussy worth that much, My god I can get 5 to 6 providers for that. All your doing is driving up the prices for all of us. High end bullshit. I won't pay that for two girls. Much less one. Wake up! Lenny6746.[/QUOTE]To you. Totally subjective.

I got a dollar blowjob once. It was actually a solid 8 of 10 for technique. That said, I'd happily pay 300-400 to erase the memory of the face I put my willy in.

On the other hand, there is a young woman local to me that I am absolutely mesmerized by. I wouldn't hesitate to give her $500 for an hour, just to let her sit there naked and talk to me. I think if she would actually let me bone her I would pay $1000 or more.

This is coming from a dude that doesn't make much money by anyone's standard.

Can't regulate personal motivation.

[QUOTE=FenskeTony2;4114711]To you. Totally subjective.

I got a dollar blowjob once. It was actually a solid 8 of 10 for technique. That said, I'd happily pay 300-400 to erase the memory of the face I put my willy in.[/QUOTE]Made me laugh. Thanks.

It totally was. A stiff dick has dosent care what it fucks Bravo Bravo! Puts us all in the same boat. Lenny6746.

I don't believe I ever said anything like that. This got out of hand. I'm stating a fact that average and below average think they are goddesses rate performance. I met a provider over a year ago. She was actually not my type at all. She had lost alot of weight, Her tits were a 40 FF. She had a great personality so I stayed. OMG One of the best fucks I ever had she came 9 timed wit my dick and 4 with my mouth. We took a break and went at it again. 1 hr for 100 used the full hour fucking. Most of these self proclaimed Goddeses Charge alot more for alot less fucking. Thats my *****. Lenny 6746.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;4115311]I don't believe I ever said anything like that. This got out of hand. I'm stating a fact that average and below average think they are goddesses rate performance. I met a provider over a year ago. She was actually not my type at all. She had lost alot of weight, Her tits were a 40 FF. She had a great personality so I stayed. OMG One of the best fucks I ever had she came 9 timed wit my dick and 4 with my mouth. We took a break and went at it again. 1 hr for 100 used the full hour fucking. Most of these self proclaimed Goddeses Charge alot more for alot less fucking. Thats my *****. Lenny 6746.[/QUOTE]Or 150 and some give a nice discount at 2 hrs for 2 total. Most are overpriced though. Again how many ladies in the "real" world can make a 100 an hour even with a college degree and most from not being on their backs for an hour or with a talented mouth. How many do we have to worry about that no show or postpone postpone postpone until you just leave. How many don't even wake up until after noon yet give their hours from 7:30 until 11 midnight. It is all about service vs promising the moon to get you in the door then shorting you time after the first pop but not telling you the parameters. Ask questions. If you can't get what you are willing to pay for don't give them the business. That simple. You are paying for what YOU want. Get what you want for your dollars. If not give them a review and move on. If you want the "forbidden" fruit, do it PM. Works for me and has for over two decades. Have a good week and hope this snow goes away so I can get to some ladies in Ohio for some "serious forbidden fruit". The doctor SO NEEDS TO BE IN. LOL.

Started looking in Dayton The cinci providers got nothing for me. Found one in Dayton with good rates and and seem good with the right prices. I've looked at Dayton before and nothing. Ita worth the drive I will report after our session Lenny 6746.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;4115311]I don't believe I ever said anything like that. This got out of hand. I'm stating a fact that average and below average think they are goddesses rate performance. I met a provider over a year ago. She was actually not my type at all. She had lost alot of weight, Her tits were a 40 FF. She had a great personality so I stayed. OMG One of the best fucks I ever had she came 9 timed wit my dick and 4 with my mouth. We took a break and went at it again. 1 hr for 100 used the full hour fucking. Most of these self proclaimed Goddeses Charge alot more for alot less fucking. Thats my *****. Lenny 6746.[/QUOTE]I agree with you lenny. Most girls that work the cincy area are over priced trash bags. Its getting sad out there.

[QUOTE=Ceenote;4111993]Does anybody think RogerOver is ever coming back? I know most probably hated his public persona, however, I found him to be cordial and quite helpful in a couple of the backchannel exchanges that I had with the guy.

RIP RogerOver. The Lord called you home much too soon or at least should have been watching over you when you entered into the valley of death known as The Rat Trap of Orlando.

[QUOTE=DickMorehead;4118406]He was a total dickhead, glad I don't see his rants everyday on every subject that he had no idea what he was talking about. Stay burried Roger, or if you don't at least be kind enough and just head back to your 'friends' at The Rat Trap.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Did I do him in?

Wasn't my intention that he go away forever. After all, he WAS a fellow Vet!

Come on back Olive Oyl, just don't be such a dickhead next time.

I suspect that due to embarrassment he may have started over with a new name?

[QUOTE=BTBear;4116601]Glad you had a good time and she really looks hot, but she is way outside of the budget of the mongers on here. If a woman charges more than $150 an hour for BBFS she is "too pricey. ".

Too bad, the other sites are gone where people who see women that charge a rate higher than a SW can be reviewed without being lambasted by other hobbyists.

Maybe there should be a forum called "High Dollar Hotties" where women who charge more that $200 can be reviewed without guys giving the reviewer a hard time because he "paid too much. ".

You know the math doesn't work in the "bargain hunters" favor. Three hours wasted (sending out multiple PMs and texts to multiple women takes time) to see a woman for $150 equals actually about $600. If the woman charges $150 times the 3 hours it takes to get a solid appointment plus the $150 for the appointment actually is more expensive than the lady who charges $250 and it takes a half hour of time to set up and her $250 rate. That equals $375 for a total of 1. 5 hours of effort, including the time to get your nut off versus $600. Many will say that they don't care about their time, but I respect myself and put a value on my effort.

I am tired of bargain basement hunting. When I have seen women under $250 lately, I have been disappointed. Not on time. Unwashed. BF / Pimp lurking in the hallway. Messy rooms. In one case I got a dose of Chlamydia from a woman's BBBJ. Add the $250 for the doctor and meds and I should have seen the $400 lady. Maybe she wouldn't have given me "something to remember. " Don't ask me who, because I don't know, it could have been one of three.

When I started in the hobby 30 years ago, $150 was average or a little high. The ladies weren't on drugs (maybe some were drunk) and they were on time and squeaky fresh. Many had candles, music and greeted me at the door in lingerie instead of dirty sweat pants and T-shirt. So after 30 years of inflation, is $200-250 such a bad deal for a woman who will bend over backwards to actually see you?

Probably should have posted this in the Octagon. I know the "bottom feeders" will attack me as a white knight. I really don't care, I am tired of their attitude anyway.[/QUOTE]You make a valid points. It would be nice to have a "high dollar hotties" board. I'd rather have quality than quantity. I like variety but there are too many local ladies that just seem kinda, well, nasty.

With the law last year it is difficult to find a provider that is of quality; seemed easier before that. At least it appeared there were more ladies advertising and more of them communicated at least halfway decent.

A little more for a reliable, clean and trustworthy provider is reasonable to me.

Pricing comes and goes as a hot topic on this board.

Pay what you think a girl is worth to you. Who YOU are is what determines that worth.

I've paid what you consider high rates; first FS experiences at a new AMP I typically tip. 1. As well their standard entry. That puts me at 140 for HH or 160 HR. Which, is above average. Of course once 'in there', I go to a sliding scale. Soon, I'm giving them as much as someone else gives for an HE. I've seen 2 USAA providers, made a deal for 2/3 of their HHR times putting me at. 8.

There is absolutely no reason to pay more than 'needed', it just seems like some guys just feel 'better' about themselves for outspending others and boasting about it. If you see a 350-500 girl, and can't afford to do it again until next month, then are you really 'better' as you think you are? Here's another thing, most mongers seeing 'higher priced' girls are also seeing cheap ones, while they are saving up their dollars, so the same issues can arise; he's playing with cheap girls and all the things they bring, and passing the buck to the expensive one. Costing more doesn't magically make them immune to getting bugs.

Everyone should do them, and that includes the white knights. I post my scale and what I pay and people get mad that I don't pay enough. That's just as bad as getting mad when other members pay 'too much'. Personally, I don't care what someone else pays, as I posted, I hear the words 'I ususally get XXX for this', while I've got her for 20, and based on looks, and knowing how other mongers are, I'd say they are correct. But again, only the person that determines that value is yourself. To you, she is TGTBT at any price, to me, she is TGTBT at 20, but she fucking did it.

And so you know where I'm coming from:

I have been doing this half my life, give or take. But when I started I was young enough for girls to get statutory charges for being with me.

I literally only want to cum. No kissing, no PSE, no GFE. My dick in hand, mouth or pussy. I'm not old, nor missing something in my life that they need to replace. Except a place to nut.

The only 2 regular USAA girls I've seen are LaceyF and DreadPricncess, and only reached out to similar; Shevelle, ect as these are the girls that if they were not hookers, would not look out of place next to me physically. They are literally 'just girls' I've literally never 'up-fucked' paying. The best girls on USAA or the street aren't an upgrade, and the average ones as well as most of who I use is a downgrade. Again, I just want to cum by a woman. At this point, it's just not worth much to me. As decades pass, that could change. But that's not case now, and I'll play accordingly.

[QUOTE=CincyKayak;4123411]You make a valid points. It would be nice to have a "high dollar hotties" board. I'd rather have quality than quantity. I like variety but there are too many local ladies that just seem kinda, well, nasty.

With the law last year it is difficult to find a provider that is of quality; seemed easier before that. At least it appeared there were more ladies advertising and more of them communicated at least halfway decent.

A little more for a reliable, clean and trustworthy provider is reasonable to me.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I have seen a few travelling providers in the $$$ to $$ range that were mindblowing. Literally model gorgeous, crazy passionate, AND wide open menus. As a special bonus, several were also quite exotic (Brazilian or Columbian, love the accents! Always met at the door of a very nice hotel by a clean and perfectly made up young lady in hot but classy clothes or hot lingerie (or both! Always offered (and accepted) a shower first. And a memorable GFE / PSE experience top it off.

That said, a few local providers were VERY close to this, for a lot less $$. Ashleigh DD and Busty Red are two that jump to mind- miss them both. Probably the best still around for me are Sara Tonguetwister, Jesse Jane, and to some extent Kyla.

Below that. Well, you get what you pay for!

Ther good dr.