"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!![/QUOTE]Unfortunately, these websites are free for the SB's, so alot of them are on there to play games. Many have no intention of ever following through on an arrangement. They are on there for "entertainment".

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?[/QUOTE]We don't score left and right. I have been in the game for over four years and still deal with a lot of flakes. Definately over half the SB's I've communicated with have pulled this shit. When you do finally land a great SB, it makes all the BS worthwhile. In the meantime, prepare to hear the same dumb excuses over and over.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?[/QUOTE]For me, the younger SB's tend to be the most flaky: 18-22. Mid-twenties and up are a little more mature, but they will flake as well.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!

Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?

Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?

I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.

Thanks all for the kind advice![/QUOTE]I have had mixed results on SA. The younger ones are more likely to flake and have GPS. I typically schedule a M&G close to my house so I don't have to travel far. Also, I do not mention an allowance ahead of time and definitely don't provide an allowance at the first meet and greet. I have had two that were disappointed that I did not provide an allowance at the M&G. At the other extreme I've had a few that came back to the FC after the M&G and didn't ask for money. It is basically a crap shoot. You have to have a lot of patience, time and money. Mongering is a lot more efficient but can be more dangerous.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2688811]Hey guys,

It's been awhile since I've posted here. I've been quietly having adventures, but lacked the free time to participate on forums and other things lately.

I decided to give SDFM another try since it's been awhile. I'm shocked at how far down the tubes the site has gone! When I did a local and regional search, there were so few new and active SBs compared to just over a year ago.

Has anyone else noticed this with SDFM in their area? I'm going to cancel my account immediately over there because there's just so little activity.

Anyway, once I get settled I give a little recap of my adventures over the past year. But I just wanted to say, Hi for now.[/QUOTE]I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.

BAM.

Work has been keeping me way busy lately, but I dipped my "hand" into the bowl a bit to kill boredom.

I use to take the mercenary approach to the bowl as advocated by HWG. I had some success, but nothing like I had hoped or what I was seeing back on AM before the dox.

I just spent the last few months on a consulting gig outside of a major metro area, and I decided to use my AM approach on SA. The results were incredible. I ended up with two women (one AA 19 a little chunky but crazy horny, and an asian MILF). Here's the crazy thing. Neither of them wanted any sugar after the first M&G. They both said that since I was treating them so respectfully etc etc. That they just wanted to be wined and dined, and of course 69'd. Who am I to argue.

I've taken the approach back to home base this month, and I'm having roughly the same results. There are a few GPS's etc, and some that clearly only after the allowance. But, I've managed to find a couple of ladies since I've been back this month that just want to be wined and dined. One's a MILF, and the other is 18.

The moral of the story is take the approach that best fits your personality. HWG's approach works for him and his situation. It doesn't work so well for me.

[QUOTE=BamBam;2689762]I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.

BAM.[/QUOTE]I found SD4 only had UTR girls. SA is way way much better for babies.

AFF just sucks in the US. In Asia, it's ok now. It use to be amazing in Asia. But Tindr is crushing the web sites.

AM. It's dead. No one is going to risk getting dox'd again.

[QUOTE=BamBam;2689762]I have been playing on SA, SD4 Me and AF / Est. Men for over a year. I get almost all my action in SW Ohio from SA. I have never landed an MnG from someone off AF. SD4 Me is less clear. Many of the women who post on SA also post on SD4 Me. Sometimes including info that was not on both posts. In September, I sent an approach message to 57 new SD4 Me profiles. Of those, only 13 of the messages were opened by the recipient. I have only spot checked but it appears that most of those profiles never logged on again after creating their profiles. Of the women who are enrolled on both sites, only a handful have contacted me to say they recognized me from SA. I suspect that SD4 Me is stealing new SA profiles and posting them on their own site to generate more female profiles. I have landed a few SB's off of SD4 Me but not enough to make it worth my while staying. I am guessing 99% of profiles on AF are fakes. I think something like 80% of the SD4 Me profiles are fake. I cancelled my profile on both.

BAM.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I started out with SA and SD 4 me about a year ago. SD4 it seemed to have more pros and such. I ended up dropping that one. Within the past couple of months I tried Establised men, but never committed to it when I saw they were on the credit system. I signed up for [URL]sugardaddie.com[/URL], [URL]sugarsugar.com[/URL], and sugardaddy [URL]today.com[/URL]. I get almost no action on [URL]sugardaddie.com[/URL], The membership for [URL]sugarsugar.com[/URL] must be really small from what I could see, and [URL]sugardaddytoday.com[/URL] had very little action also. So SA seems to be the site with the most action at least for me, and I'm in NE Ohio.

I had a m&g with a 21 yr old local to me this past Monday, after she cancelled two times and I cancelled one time. She only had a cute face picture on her profile. I didn't ask to see more since her profile said she was slim, so I took a chance. I'm glad I did. She was the cutest 5 foot 105 lb spinner. Had a nice dinner hit it off well and ended up in the FC. I would like to add her to my first team lineup, but after the FC and a glass of wine at my house she was getting a little whacky on me. Kind of a screw loose or something. On Tuesday she text me and reminded me about our meeting this Friday, which I can't recall, but knowing my memory I might have committed to it. I might go with it a second time to see if it might work out, but I'm not holding my breath. She seems laden with drama.

I have three new POT lined up the next three days. Tomorrow for lunch I'm meeting a 22 yr old. Another local baby, which I would like to work out after some of the drives I've been doing this year.

The second one is a 19 yr old student I'm meeting for lunch on Friday.

The third one is another 22 yr old student for lunch on Saturday.

Somewhere in between I'm trying to get back to my 23 yr old I've seen a few times and most recently last Friday night.

I had a 20 yr old Asian student return my letter and wants to meet.

It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.

After a year+ on USASG, I've got 6 posts to my name. My monger game is weak, indeed. Sugar on the other hand.

After reading a few old blogs in the St Petersburg forum, I found out about this place. Bless you, Richmond Sugar enthusiasts! I may actually be able to make senior member status next year. More posts to follow once I catch up on the thread.

-Colonoscopy / Tampa Bay area.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!

Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?

Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?

I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.

Thanks all for the kind advice![/QUOTE]Plenty of flakes, fakes, and phonies out there. Here's a few tips for sniffing them out before you waste time. (and they complain about guy time wasters on there!) Apologies if I'm rehashing stuff that wiser daddies than me had already posted. I haven't had the time to go back through the 10000 posts on here. (but I will!

1. Profile is full of talk about how much she wants to be spoiled, taken shopping, etc, etc. Without any mention of reciprocity.

2. She expects sugar at the M&G.

3. Profile has some form of "Where are all the REAL sugar daddies" - translation I won't touch you, but I saw on TV that I can get money for hanging out with old guys.

4. Google photo lookup is your friend. Without digits, this is the best way to spot fake profiles. If the pics can be traced to generic ****** / instagram accounts, don't waste your time.

5. Check the digits she gives you in FB search to verify she's who she says she is. Quite a few babies, real and fake will use sugar phones or not have their # attached to FB, so you can't weed out all the fakes this way, but if she tells you her name is Mandy, and the FB profile is Michael, well, I'd stay away.

6. Babies in the 24-30 range tend to be a lot less flakey than the 18-23 year old set. You'll still run into them, but less frequently.

And a few things I've learned when dealing with the real ones:

7. A lot of the "Minimal expectations" on SA are looking for "platonic" friendships (but surprisingly less than the High / Substantial set). You'll also find quite a few of your BP girls / professionals in this range as they're doing a volume business.

8. This one took me quite a few years to learn, but just because her expectation is listed as "Moderate -up to $5000 a month" doesn't mean she won't be happy with an actual Minimal allowance that's in her hands, especially if she's been burned a few times.

9. Deliver what you promise, but don't over-promise before testing the waters. Most babies will work on a week-by-week or meet-by-meet (pay for play) basis to start with if you're treating them well. Allowance is for when you want to lock that shit down (well. Good luck ever really locking it down).

10. Just like in non-sugar dating, good chemistry at the M&G can often lead to instant gratification if you're ready to fork over some sugar. Can't count on it, but it's sweet when it happens. (or you just met a UTR professional).

-Colo.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2690003]It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.[/QUOTE]I'm experiencing the same thing this week down here in Tampa:

Monday. Second date with a trip to the FC with early-20's low-expectations baby.

Wednesday. FC directly off the M&G with an EXTREMELY sexual late-20's baby. Possibly my new favorite.

Today. Promising conversation with a sugar virgin 19 HCB hopefully with a M&G to follow as soon as we can find the time.

A friend of mine is a big believer in the Autumn / Winter "cuffing season", when those who are normally happy being "single" pair up for the cold months by instinct. What's everyone's take on cuffing season and its affect on sugar babies? Or is it just the pre-holiday season where these ladies are more strapped for cash than usual?

-SA is what I use the most. The site is easy to search and works well on mobile.

-SD4 M is decent, depending on your locale. The thing I hate about it is that it is hard to navigate and the design of the whole site is ancient. They put no money into making the site experience any better.

-I was on AF about four years ago and had one great score. Seemed like there was little competition, but at the same time, tons of fake profiles to wade through. Since this site is owned by the same folks as Ashley Madison, I am guessing my hacked personal info is floating out there in cyberspace.

Here's one of the sugar sisters: [URL]https://instagram.com/haybaesugar/[/URL].

One thing about American women is that have no clue about their market value. This SB thinks she is a 10 when really she is about a 5. Notice how she only posts pictures of her face and boobs. For me, this is a red flag that a girl is chunky or average. When they have a bangin' bod, they are going to show it. In one post, she blasts a guy offering $800/ month and claims she can get $4000/ month from the "right daddy". Right.

Great post and great tips. Lots of good info on how to weed out pots based on profile info.

[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2690045]Plenty of flakes, fakes, and phonies out there. Here's a few tips for sniffing them out before you waste time. (and they complain about guy time wasters on there!) Apologies if I'm rehashing stuff that wiser daddies than me had already posted. I haven't had the time to go back through the 10000 posts on here. (but I will!

1. Profile is full of talk about how much she wants to be spoiled, taken shopping, etc, etc. Without any mention of reciprocity.

2. She expects sugar at the M&G.

3. Profile has some form of "Where are all the REAL sugar daddies" - translation I won't touch you, but I saw on TV that I can get money for hanging out with old guys.

4. Google photo lookup is your friend. Without digits, this is the best way to spot fake profiles. If the pics can be traced to generic ****** / instagram accounts, don't waste your time.

5. Check the digits she gives you in FB search to verify she's who she says she is. Quite a few babies, real and fake will use sugar phones or not have their # attached to FB, so you can't weed out all the fakes this way, but if she tells you her name is Mandy, and the FB profile is Michael, well, I'd stay away.

6. Babies in the 24-30 range tend to be a lot less flakey than the 18-23 year old set. You'll still run into them, but less frequently.

And a few things I've learned when dealing with the real ones:

7. A lot of the "Minimal expectations" on SA are looking for "platonic" friendships (but surprisingly less than the High / Substantial set). You'll also find quite a few of your BP girls / professionals in this range as they're doing a volume business.

8. This one took me quite a few years to learn, but just because her expectation is listed as "Moderate -up to $5000 a month" doesn't mean she won't be happy with an actual Minimal allowance that's in her hands, especially if she's been burned a few times.

9. Deliver what you promise, but don't over-promise before testing the waters. Most babies will work on a week-by-week or meet-by-meet (pay for play) basis to start with if you're treating them well. Allowance is for when you want to lock that shit down (well. Good luck ever really locking it down).

10. Just like in non-sugar dating, good chemistry at the M&G can often lead to instant gratification if you're ready to fork over some sugar. Can't count on it, but it's sweet when it happens. (or you just met a UTR professional).

-Colo.[/QUOTE]

And these girls need shopping money, but more importantly want a daddy to buy them nice gifts.

Get ready for lots of responses to old messages. You're going to need a stick to beat them back.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2690003]I had a m&g with a 21 yr old local to me this past Monday, after she cancelled two times and I cancelled one time. She only had a cute face picture on her profile. I didn't ask to see more since her profile said she was slim, so I took a chance. I'm glad I did. She was the cutest 5 foot 105 lb spinner. Had a nice dinner hit it off well and ended up in the FC. I would like to add her to my first team lineup, but after the FC and a glass of wine at my house she was getting a little whacky on me. Kind of a screw loose or something. On Tuesday she text me and reminded me about our meeting this Friday, which I can't recall, but knowing my memory I might have committed to it. I might go with it a second time to see if it might work out, but I'm not holding my breath. She seems laden with drama.

I have three new POT lined up the next three days. Tomorrow for lunch I'm meeting a 22 yr old. Another local baby, which I would like to work out after some of the drives I've been doing this year.

The second one is a 19 yr old student I'm meeting for lunch on Friday.

The third one is another 22 yr old student for lunch on Saturday.

Somewhere in between I'm trying to get back to my 23 yr old I've seen a few times and most recently last Friday night.

I had a 20 yr old Asian student return my letter and wants to meet.

It's funny about the bowl. You put all these letters out and nothing back, then all of a sudden they come at you in droves. That's seems to be the norm for me.[/QUOTE]

So what's your approach that seems to be working exactly?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2689877]Work has been keeping me way busy lately, but I dipped my "hand" into the bowl a bit to kill boredom.

I use to take the mercenary approach to the bowl as advocated by HWG. I had some success, but nothing like I had hoped or what I was seeing back on AM before the dox.

I just spent the last few months on a consulting gig outside of a major metro area, and I decided to use my AM approach on SA. The results were incredible. I ended up with two women (one AA 19 a little chunky but crazy horny, and an asian MILF). Here's the crazy thing. Neither of them wanted any sugar after the first M&G. They both said that since I was treating them so respectfully etc etc. That they just wanted to be wined and dined, and of course 69'd. Who am I to argue.

I've taken the approach back to home base this month, and I'm having roughly the same results. There are a few GPS's etc, and some that clearly only after the allowance. But, I've managed to find a couple of ladies since I've been back this month that just want to be wined and dined. One's a MILF, and the other is 18.

The moral of the story is take the approach that best fits your personality. HWG's approach works for him and his situation. It doesn't work so well for me.[/QUOTE]