"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2686697]I probably would have gone ahead and wasted the few moments to PM the monger and ask for her number to confirm 100% it was the same girl. As well as to get her "other" pricing.

Then I could have sent her a copy of the "review" post as a parting gift.

Got to educate these girls that we are watching and the regular working girls need to stay off the SA type sites. IMHO /.[/QUOTE]I'm a newbie on this board so take my advice with a grain of salt (I'm still learning how to tell the pros from the regular gals outside of recognizing their pictures so any advice is appreciated) but with that said I wouldn't do that. The only thing the pros will do, in my opinion, is learn from their mistake and use a different user name to hide the fact that they're a pro. If they want to join SA to make more money they're going to join regardless of what we say to them. I mean for them being on the site is free advertising.

This scenario is like picking up a tell on your opponent in poker. Don't let them know how you knew when they were bluffing and when they had it. Just keep playing. Anyway just my. 02.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2687566]Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]I'm a complete newbie to the SA world too. I would never pay for a M&G. I'd offer to buy them a drink or a coffee- that's it. If they want more I'd just say that's not happening- good luck! The whole point of the meet and greet -just like with regular online dating is to see if there's a connection, if they look like their pics, etc. I'm guessing if you pay for that you might not see them again or if you do they'll want a shopping spree or some other bs. It sounds like babies are a dime a dozen on these sites so forget them- just move on to ones that don't pull that bs otherwise they're going to take you for as much as they can.

That's just my take and I'm new to this so I'd listen to the veterans advice. Good luck!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2686709]How about expensive gifts of things she needs or wants but wouldn't buy for herself or gift cards? Maybe that could lessen the "sting" of an exchange? One LT Sb always talked about "help" as a way to avoid feeling used. (cash was always provided, but never mentioned).[/QUOTE]I agree that expensive gifts versus a cash offering may be helpful with her dilemma, but the reason this SB gave me that she was on the site was because she was being evicted from her house and needs the cash. Guess I could still pay her rent or a few of her bills to save her going through the embarrassment of a pure cash transaction. I already know that her rent amount is way over my SD limits.

But good suggestion! Maybe I can make this work.

Alias.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2686725]Welcome back to the active Sugaring Alias. This girl does not sound like a Nando 1. They are usually desperate and will take anything they can get. They are beyond caring about feeling used.[/QUOTE]She is pretty desperate, but apparently hasn't crossed over in her thinking yet to a pure Nando1. She has most of the other symptoms though.

That reminds me, I miss Hernando and all of his wisdom. I wonder if he still reads this board? Hernando, are you out there somewhere lurking in the dark or possibly still sharing your wisdom of the world under another name?

Alias.

A month is normally $70 when you sign up via pc. If you create a new profile using a new email address and don't upgrade after a few months, I think 3 months is the magic number, the cost drops to $50. Longer subscriptions get a similar discount.

I created 5 new accounts a few months back. Every time I "activate" a new one, I make sure to create another. This way I always have another discounted account waiting.

Not great if you like keeping your existing account, but I've found that having a new account each month works better for me. The money you save isn't much, but I'd rather spend the $20 on a m&g than give it to SA.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2687145]What kind of discount are we talking about?[/QUOTE]

I personally would never pay for the m&g. Its always just the drink and maybe travel costs if she incurred them and if like her. If we hit it off then I might consider buying her lunch or dinner.

The reason why I don't pay for the m&g is because it sets what I beleive to be bad precedent for the relationship moving forward. It also sets a floor for the allowance.

I prefer girls who want to be with me, and who see the sugar as an added bonus. I don't want to be with girls who want the sugar first and foremost, and are willing to spend time with me because they want or need the sugar. I also prefer girls who are in it for the experiences I can offer by taking them out to places they have not been before.

Others are different though. One of my sbs had a guy give her a gift card after she cancelled the m&g. It didn't make her like him more, but rather made her think of him as a sucker. She is not a nando 1 type. If she was, I suspect the money would have been helpful.

Long story short, guess it all depends on your game and what the pot is looking for. My own practice is to never pay for the m&g.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2687566]Hey guys, I am a complete newbie in the world of SD / SB thing. Now I finally got a couple POts interested in meeting me. What advice you can give me so I can persuade them to like me and move them from M&G to FC? Some girls want me compensate for the M&G. Should I just bluntly say NO?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]

I concur with the wisdom already offered. Paying an SB for the m&g is a bell that can't be unrung. You have just labeled yourself a patsy, and you will be rinsed for evermore. Likewise I never discuss exact sugar amounts before having met the baby in person. It just starts things on a bad course, and the few times I have done it, it never works out.

That said, if I suspect a POT to be an undercover pro, I will deliberately shoot her a lowball, HWG-level number. This always smokes them out, and then I move on.

Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.

[QUOTE=BigLick90;2688292]Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.[/QUOTE]I've seen this quite a bit. Some are traveling escorts and strippers. They either forget to change their location, or they have multiple profiles: one for each city in their "circuit". You also have girls who are of to college and want a sugar daddy for school breaks and summers, or vice versa. Others put their location a couple hours or so away from where they really live, so they can keep their neighbors, family, dad from happening upon their profile.

I've encountered it a few times. Also, babies in the past have explained to me why they list cities they don't live in.

Some girls will list larger metro areas in hopes of increasing their chances of landing a whale. If you thought finding a SB in a small town was tough, its even harder for them since the girl to guy ratio is significantly in our favor on the website. One young lady I've been seeing has mentioned that after her friend joined, the friend is basically being messaged by the same exact guys who were contacting her.

Some girls will list cities they want to move to in hopes that a guy will like them enough to help them. I met a young lady from Richmond who was trying to relocate north and listed the city in her profile where she wanted to be in hopes a SD would let her move in with him.

Some girls will create multiple profiles for different cities. I was chatting with one young lady who had profiles for NYC, Philly, and dc. She told me she was looking for one guy, and because she only wanted a platonic relationship, she was having difficulty finding him, which was her excuse.

I have also had babies who have told me stories of guys who would fly them to different places across the US and put them up in hotels. I am pretty sure that some of the stories were real. There are guys that have cash to throw around. To them a few thousand dollars might be a night out on the town.

Sadly I don't have that kind of cash to burn.

[QUOTE=BigLick90;2688292]Maybe it's a new phenomenon but I have run into 3 POTs over the past month who appear as new and nearby only to be told, after a bit of conversing, that they are in fact located many hours away. I have not run into this before but are others encountering this? My latest admitted she's actually in Charlotte and that's a longer plane flight than I like to take car trip to see an SB. I guess they are playing the field in various locations but how many people honestly have an SB / SD relationship that's super long distance? I would think those would be incredibly rare.[/QUOTE]

I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!

Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?

Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?

I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.

Thanks all for the kind advice!

I completely hear what you're saying. Give it time though. Remember when you first started using BP? At least for me, the first time I started, I couldn't tell which pics were TGTBT, and which girls were the real deal. I also got taken for quite a few rides.

As you get more used to the bowl, you'll see the warning flags in the profiles and will start to recognize which pots will be the most likely to follow through.

Don't get me wrong though. Even after playing in the bowl for more than a good amount of time, I've still been taken on a few rides, but let me tell you, when you find the right SB, it makes it all worth it.

Also make sure to read this forum thread all the way through. Lots of great tips throughout, which will help you. For example, I think HWG may have previously recommended to start out by going for pots that would be easier for you to land a FC trip with to get your feet wet. Also, if you're trying to make contact with an 18 yr old freshman in college, they are notorious for being flaky.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!

Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?

Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?

I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.

Thanks all for the kind advice![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2688637]I had to say it is not a good experience at all: Even SA girls are so flaky like those girls on BP!

I had three pots contacted me want to M&G, I lined them up 1 hour apart. All three (from different towns in our areas) all flaked. The excuses are multiple: slept through, traveling with friends, and the phone did not charge!!

Did These Girls know that the first I impression is the most important?

I crossed all of them off. Blocked them. Period.

I can not tolerate people this flaky.

What I expect from SA is kind of disappointing. Seeing you guys score left and right, I have to look into myself: why?

Maybe the location the area and the age group I chose?

I have to rethinking this SD: SB thing again.

Thanks all for the kind advice![/QUOTE]I would like to echo ILuv's advice. Don't give up. Keep asking questions when you have them, read the previous Forum pages when you have time, and eventually you will have a POT turn into a actual FC adventure and all your efforts and perseverance will be rewarded! Continued best wishes in your quest!

Hey guys,

It's been awhile since I've posted here. I've been quietly having adventures, but lacked the free time to participate on forums and other things lately.

I wanted to see if there were still old faces around as well as meet the new blood. Over the next week I'll dig through the reports and try to catch up on what I've missed.

The last several months I've been using SA. The past several years I'd alternate between SDFM and SA. I don't know if SA has been doing a big marketing push, but it seems.

They have had a lot of new SBs joining and they have a high active userbase so I've been using SA off and on for the past year or so. But my SA membership recently expired and I decided to give.

SDFM another try since it's been awhile. I'm shocked at how far down the tubes the site has gone! When I did a local and regional search, there were so few new and active SBs compared to just over a year ago.

Has anyone else noticed this with SDFM in their area? I'm going to cancel my account immediately over there because there's just so little activity.

Anyway, once I get settled I give a little recap of my adventures over the past year. But I just wanted to say, Hi for now.

Thanks a lot for the encouraging words!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2688707]I completely hear what you're saying. Give it time though. Remember when you first started using BP? At least for me, the first time I started, I couldn't tell which pics were TGTBT, and which girls were the real deal. I also got taken for quite a few rides.

As you get more used to the bowl, you'll see the warning flags in the profiles and will start to recognize which pots will be the most likely to follow through.

Don't get me wrong though. Even after playing in the bowl for more than a good amount of time, I've still been taken on a few rides, but let me tell you, when you find the right SB, it makes it all worth it.

Also make sure to read this forum thread all the way through. Lots of great tips throughout, which will help you. For example, I think HWG may have previously recommended to start out by going for pots that would be easier for you to land a FC trip with to get your feet wet. Also, if you're trying to make contact with an 18 yr old freshman in college, they are notorious for being flaky.[/QUOTE]