The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=RalDude;5648980]Scrolling through their items might also give you a feel. If it's all jewelry and $500+ purses & shoes, probably high maintenance and / or a straight up rinser.

I like the ones with sex toys and sexy outfits on their lists, or better yet completely empty!

But either way click them, by default the chicks get a notification when you do, so they might get a little more attentive to you.[/QUOTE]Nice hints, yeah, definitely never thought to utilize the Wishlist as foreshadowing insights into their personality or that it gives a notification. I thought I saw that somewhere but you confirmed it.

Hey guys,

I've been chatting with this one and she won't throw out a number first. I want to make an offer that's high enough for her to take seriously but not too high that it breaks the budget. Has anyone else had any luck or interaction with her? I'd really appreciate any information anyone has!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/496ad6c5-a3d1-4c31-afa8-b66322c9f724[/URL]

[QUOTE=GentleGiant78;5654904]Hey guys,

I've been chatting with this one and she won't throw out a number first. I want to make an offer that's high enough for her to take seriously but not too high that it breaks the budget. Has anyone else had any luck or interaction with her? I'd really appreciate any information anyone has!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/496ad6c5-a3d1-4c31-afa8-b66322c9f724[/URL][/QUOTE]If she is even real which I doubt. $300 should be your first and only offer. Don't fall for their " I usually get" b. S.

Even and that make sure you are getting exactly what you want as well or it is a guaranteed disappointment.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;5656765]If she is even real which I doubt. $300 should be your first and only offer. Don't fall for their " I usually get" b. S.

Even and that make sure you are getting exactly what you want as well or it is a guaranteed disappointment.[/QUOTE]I was told by a new-ish SB in Vegas that 'seasoned' SB's are advising them to rarely throw out their expectations first. Geriatric rich dudes, scared newbies, and idiots will sometimes offer way over the market rate. And by her giving a number that may be lower than he was going to offer would essentially cause her to leave money at the table.

She told me this because some lonely geriatric SD who has comps for days at Vegas casinos was offering 1 K just for women to have dinner with him, she said she was going to quote him 5 $ because of how old he was and wasn't attracted to him, but he came in first with a much higher offer. She made it sound like he was a widower. I let her know that I stick to around 3 $ and she said yes, but I passed because I didn't want a lackluster experience with someone who was expecting a lot more. I'm sure she'll go on a few 'adjustment dates', but I don't want it to be me and have a lousy time.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5657341]I was told by a new-ish SB in Vegas that 'seasoned' SB's are advising them to rarely throw out their expectations first. Geriatric rich dudes, scared newbies, and idiots will sometimes offer way over the market rate. And by her giving a number that may be lower than he was going to offer would essentially cause her to leave money at the table.

She told me this because some lonely geriatric SD who has comps for days at Vegas casinos was offering 1 K just for women to have dinner with him, she said she was going to quote him 5 $ because of how old he was and wasn't attracted to him, but he came in first with a much higher offer. She made it sound like he was a widower. I let her know that I stick to around 3 $ and she said yes, but I passed because I didn't want a lackluster experience with someone who was expecting a lot more. I'm sure she'll go on a few 'adjustment dates', but I don't want it to be me and have a lousy time.[/QUOTE]This is great advice for ANY negotiation. Whether it is a car, house, or a "date". An early mentor told me to never be the first one to go to a price, "when you set the price first, you are only competing with yourself".

I recently joined seeking as that website allows to subscribe with a gift card. I was getting a lot of replies from girls wanting vacations and 600 per visit. I stumbled on a few that were willing to meet at 200 or below and so my advice to all of you is to be persistent. There are a few gems out there.

[QUOTE=RalDude;5657745]This is great advice for ANY negotiation. Whether it is a car, house, or a "date". An early mentor told me to never be the first one to go to a price, "when you set the price first, you are only competing with yourself".[/QUOTE]In legitimate business transactions. Don't let anyone tell you those girls-women are not WGs, it is very simple they sell their pussy and their are many, many of them around so don't fall for the garbage they post on there. Make a legitimate offer, make it clear what you expect and always be a gentleman but never let them gauche you or fall for their scams. No one should be paying a girl $500 or a thousand or paying one for company.

Guys need to stop being delusional these girls do not like you, they can pretend and string you along but the truth is always going to come out.

[QUOTE=GMag69NC;5648872]Gotcha, yeah it seems like these girls are hitting tons of guys up randomly too, to bait. Go get premium man! Hopefully there will be a discount soon for you.

Let me know if you pursue![/QUOTE]There was a discount, 25% off and I jumped on it for a three month gig. After 20 months on the covid sidelines I have decided to jump back in. For all you Senior Members who have been around for five plus years. I'm back.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;5660146]There was a discount, 25% off and I jumped on it for a three month gig. After 20 months on the covid sidelines I have decided to jump back in. For all you Senior Members who have been around for five plus years. I'm back.[/QUOTE]Welcome back. You should work on getting the 33% discount. Set up a dummy account with a different email address. Never pay on this dummy account, Whenever discounts are offered, you will receive the 33% discount in your email. Now login to you regular SA account. Then go back to your dummy SA email account that you're getting the 33% discount. Click on the link in the email. This will bring up 33% discount in your regular SA account. Bingo!

I get 66% discount from my dummy WYP account.

Just last week, someone I met on SA years ago sent me a tirade on my burner IG account telling me that I 'exploited' her because I was 'too cheap to pay what she deserved' during our dates. Mind you, I never once haggled with her and gave her exactly what SHE asked for during our dates, which at the time was $2. 5 to $$$. She said that I should have been giving her $5 or $6. She went on to say that she's gone onto full blown escorting and guys are lining up to pay her current rates (Which I don't believe). She also stated that SA was full of gross, cheap creeps and that the men who are into escorting are much better (I would never pit hobbyists against one another, but again, I don't believe her characterization).

This freaked me out, so I went to her IG page and she had a massive collection of recently posted DM screenshots where she was sending private convos to guys work, girlfriends, and wives. Many with the caption that she was 'outing abusers' and 'protecting women'. Many of the screenshots were years old and some of the gf's even asked, 'Why are you doing this now? This happened a long time ago. ' Additionally, most of the screenshots were just men asking for nudes or asking for a discount. Sure, it can come off as rude, but I don't think that's abuse.

I showed the convo to another woman I met on SA, and she blew the woman off saying, 'She's having a bad day. You didn't do anything. I think she's projecting. I wouldn't worry about it too much. '.

I have always had cordial relations with women I've met on SA after the fact. Always. Even when I've seen them in their civilian life. More often than not, they come up to me and say hello. Or they smile and nod, and go about their business. This is the first time ANYTHING like this has happened to me in my few years of being on SA. Completely threw me off.

She has since changed her profile name and made it private, I'm guessing due to backlash, and I've gotten off IG. I think I'll stay off for at least a few weeks.

I used to think that treating people like equals on SA made it less weird and more respectable. From now on, I'm going to keep people more at a distance or only use it when I'm traveling. Stay safe out there.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5666070]Just last week, someone I met on SA years ago sent me a tirade on my burner IG account telling me that I 'exploited' her because I was 'too cheap to pay what she deserved' during our dates. Mind you, I never once haggled with her and gave her exactly what SHE asked for during our dates, which at the time was $2. 5 to $$$. She said that I should have been giving her $5 or $6. She went on to say that she's gone onto full blown escorting and guys are lining up to pay her current rates (Which I don't believe). She also stated that SA was full of gross, cheap creeps and that the men who are into escorting are much better (I would never pit hobbyists against one another, but again, I don't believe her characterization).

This freaked me out, so I went to her IG page and she had a massive collection of recently posted DM screenshots where she was sending private convos to guys work, girlfriends, and wives. Many with the caption that she was 'outing abusers' and 'protecting women'. Many of the screenshots were years old and some of the gf's even asked, 'Why are you doing this now? This happened a long time ago. ' Additionally, most of the screenshots were just men asking for nudes or asking for a discount. Sure, it can come off as rude, but I don't think that's abuse.

I showed the convo to another woman I met on SA, and she blew the woman off saying, 'She's having a bad day. You didn't do anything. I think she's projecting. I wouldn't worry about it too much. '.

I have always had cordial relations with women I've met on SA after the fact. Always. Even when I've seen them in their civilian life. More often than not, they come up to me and say hello. Or they smile and nod, and go about their business. This is the first time ANYTHING like this has happened to me in my few years of being on SA. Completely threw me off.

She has since changed her profile name and made it private, I'm guessing due to backlash, and I've gotten off IG. I think I'll stay off for at least a few weeks.

I used to think that treating people like equals on SA made it less weird and more respectable. From now on, I'm going to keep people more at a distance or only use it when I'm traveling. Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]Minding sharing their SA profile name so we can stay clear?? PM me if needed.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5666070]Just last week, someone I met on SA years ago sent me a tirade on my burner IG account telling me that I 'exploited' her because I was 'too cheap to pay what she deserved' during our dates. Mind you, I never once haggled with her and gave her exactly what SHE asked for during our dates, which at the time was $2. 5 to $$$. She said that I should have been giving her $5 or $6. She went on to say that she's gone onto full blown escorting and guys are lining up to pay her current rates (Which I don't believe). She also stated that SA was full of gross, cheap creeps and that the men who are into escorting are much better (I would never pit hobbyists against one another, but again, I don't believe her characterization).

This freaked me out, so I went to her IG page and she had a massive collection of recently posted DM screenshots where she was sending private convos to guys work, girlfriends, and wives. Many with the caption that she was 'outing abusers' and 'protecting women'. Many of the screenshots were years old and some of the gf's even asked, 'Why are you doing this now? This happened a long time ago. ' Additionally, most of the screenshots were just men asking for nudes or asking for a discount. Sure, it can come off as rude, but I don't think that's abuse.

I showed the convo to another woman I met on SA, and she blew the woman off saying, 'She's having a bad day. You didn't do anything. I think she's projecting. I wouldn't worry about it too much. '.

I have always had cordial relations with women I've met on SA after the fact. Always. Even when I've seen them in their civilian life. More often than not, they come up to me and say hello. Or they smile and nod, and go about their business. This is the first time ANYTHING like this has happened to me in my few years of being on SA. Completely threw me off.

She has since changed her profile name and made it private, I'm guessing due to backlash, and I've gotten off IG. I think I'll stay off for at least a few weeks.

I used to think that treating people like equals on SA made it less weird and more respectable. From now on, I'm going to keep people more at a distance or only use it when I'm traveling. Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]Doesn't really make sense. SB's have always been more expensive than typical escorts and more expensive. Its meant for a more intimate connection than straight up escorting. I don't partake (too expensive for me) but I understand the scene. She sounds like she's blowing smoke to guilt you into giving up more money.

So I counted out SA several years ago because it was not possible to pay by gift card and also seemed like a lot of effort. Gift card payment makes it better so I am reconsidering since the escort game is such a waste of time lately. I can't get girls to reply, too many mongers. Can anyone tell me if its possible to get SA dates without having much of a profile? No way I am putting my picture on the website. I'm curious to know what is the minimum info required to get a girl to respond. Also appreciate any newbie advice for getting girls' attention on the site and figuring out who's real (I got a lot of obviously fake profile emails when I first set up a free acct). Thanks for info.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;5673261]So I counted out SA several years ago because it was not possible to pay by gift card and also seemed like a lot of effort. Gift card payment makes it better so I am reconsidering since the escort game is such a waste of time lately. I can't get girls to reply, too many mongers. Can anyone tell me if its possible to get SA dates without having much of a profile? No way I am putting my picture on the website. I'm curious to know what is the minimum info required to get a girl to respond. Also appreciate any newbie advice for getting girls' attention on the site and figuring out who's real (I got a lot of obviously fake profile emails when I first set up a free acct). Thanks for info.[/QUOTE]I have had a profile on SA for a couple of years. I've never used a pic. And I do date a lot of women from there. A few will ask for a pic. And of those, Most will accept the reason I don't put up a pic. And I date a lot. Some prefer to meet for lunch or dinner first. Majority will meet in a hotel room.

Am also on SB without a pic. And it's the same. Most of the women want the money more than they care what you look like.

[QUOTE=Leon3798;5666771]Doesn't really make sense. SB's have always been more expensive than typical escorts and more expensive. Its meant for a more intimate connection than straight up escorting. I don't partake (too expensive for me) but I understand the scene. She sounds like she's blowing smoke to guilt you into giving up more money.[/QUOTE]This is a real **** so what you need to do is throw her b. S. Right back at her. Get as much personal information as you can (not difficult in the internet age) tell her to fuck off and that you will out her to her friends, job, parents, or any way you can throw dirt at her. Than tell her she took advantage of you and want your money back, always fight fire with fire.

What level of hotel are you taking them to? I have not been able to find any hourly hotels around here.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5673564]I have had a profile on SA for a couple of years. I've never used a pic. And I do date a lot of women from there. A few will ask for a pic. And of those, Most will accept the reason I don't put up a pic. And I date a lot. Some prefer to meet for lunch or dinner first. Majority will meet in a hotel room.

Am also on SB without a pic. And it's the same. Most of the women want the money more than they care what you look like.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Raltime;5624887]I posted the question on the Wilmington board, any info on her, seems.

Too hot to be true.

Is she pro?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/44879cb2-b913-4eb6-9dab-00c0c443aa6b[/URL][/QUOTE]She is real. I met with her a few months ago. Was asking for 600 talked her down to 350. Pictures are amazing, but she has put on quite a bit of weight. If she looked like her pictures I would repeat, but its quite a difference.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;5674449]This is a real **** so what you need to do is throw her b. S. Right back at her. Get as much personal information as you can (not difficult in the internet age) tell her to fuck off and that you will out her to her friends, job, parents, or any way you can throw dirt at her. Than tell her she took advantage of you and want your money back, always fight fire with fire.[/QUOTE]I'll consider that if she tries to come back around. Right now, I'm just going to lay low for a bit. However, as of right now, she's someone else's problem. Whoever it is, I wish them the best. Not everyone is made for sugaring and might enjoy escorting more, and vice versa. If she realized she was better suited for one than the other, that's great. I just don't appreciate her taking her frustration out on me.

I do believe that her tactics will upset the wrong person though. If's not a matter of if, but when.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5675260]I'll consider that if she tries to come back around. Right now, I'm just going to lay low for a bit. However, as of right now, she's someone else's problem. Whoever it is, I wish them the best. Not everyone is made for sugaring and might enjoy escorting more, and vice versa. If she realized she was better suited for one than the other, that's great. I just don't appreciate her taking her frustration out on me.

I do believe that her tactics will upset the wrong person though. If's not a matter of if, but when.[/QUOTE]You are welcome and I sent you a pm. I don't distinguish between escorts and sugar babes because it's one and the same. For whatever reason though they think they are worth more, I can tell you firsthand that every sugar babe experience I had was identical to an escort- hooker.

[QUOTE=TheCreature;5674709]What level of hotel are you taking them to? I have not been able to find any hourly hotels around here.[/QUOTE]Look at Oro Hotel (I think that's the name). I think the one In Durham will do hourly.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/baf23154-a850-41a8-ba79-956033b1a727[/URL]

I had a meeting with this one, she is DTF. However, asked for 300 agreed on 250. Not worth at all. Super rushed (business transaction). Lame excuses for being late more than 3 hours and more excuses so she can leave early after the first round.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;5673261]So I counted out SA several years ago because it was not possible to pay by gift card and also seemed like a lot of effort. Gift card payment makes it better so I am reconsidering since the escort game is such a waste of time lately. I can't get girls to reply, too many mongers. Can anyone tell me if its possible to get SA dates without having much of a profile? No way I am putting my picture on the website. I'm curious to know what is the minimum info required to get a girl to respond. Also appreciate any newbie advice for getting girls' attention on the site and figuring out who's real (I got a lot of obviously fake profile emails when I first set up a free acct). Thanks for info.[/QUOTE]You must use the right gift card. You need to get the $100 Vanilla Card, the one time use one, not the reloadable one that you can put $20-$500 on, it won't work. Plus an added advantage of the $100 one is when they try to charge it again, since there's only a penny left on it, your account ends. Then you decide when to renew & get another card. By then I've got enough that I've seen a couple and am texting a bunch. I let those play out before I renew.

I'm very picky, only 7-10's, slim, perfect asses, 18-25, although I have a 31 why o that has the body of a 21 why o.

As far as not posting your real pic, I don't & I think it increases the number of Babies that go to text. There curious to see who is messaging them. I've had a paid account on & off about two years, my first was Tony Soprano from the waist to the nose. I think a Baby I called out fir being a scammer ratted me out. I got booted off the site. Luckily it was when I didn't have a paid membership, I was in between. It's a hassle, but I set up another one, with a random pic from a men's clothing website, feet to chin.

As far as how to get Babies attention, just complementing them, I start out pretty basic & when we go to text get sexual but not rude, all these Babies get dick pics & insulted by creeps so just being funny & semi respectful at first goes a long way. Eventually I may be telling the same Baby that I'm going to eat her like a cupcake! LOL.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Ddmmaa;5677252][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/baf23154-a850-41a8-ba79-956033b1a727[/URL]

I had a meeting with this one, she is DTF. However, asked for 300 agreed on 250. Not worth at all. Super rushed (business transaction). Lame excuses for being late more than 3 hours and more excuses so she can leave early after the first round.[/QUOTE]She's been around for some time and has been reviewed here under different name. I'll search and post.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;5677952]You must use the right gift card. You need to get the $100 Vanilla Card, the one time use one, not the reloadable one that you can put $20-$500 on, it won't work. Plus an added advantage of the $100 one is when they try to charge it again, since there's only a penny left on it, your account ends. Then you decide when to renew & get another card. By then I've got enough that I've seen a couple and am texting a bunch. I let those play out before I renew.

I'm very picky, only 7-10's, slim, perfect asses, 18-25, although I have a 31 why o that has the body of a 21 why o.

As far as not posting your real pic, I don't & I think it increases the number of Babies that go to text. There curious to see who is messaging them. I've had a paid account on & off about two years, my first was Tony Soprano from the waist to the nose. I think a Baby I called out fir being a scammer ratted me out. I got booted off the site. Luckily it was when I didn't have a paid membership, I was in between. It's a hassle, but I set up another one, with a random pic from a men's clothing website, feet to chin.

As far as how to get Babies attention, just complementing them, I start out pretty basic & when we go to text get sexual but not rude, all these Babies get dick pics & insulted by creeps so just being funny & semi respectful at first goes a long way. Eventually I may be telling the same Baby that I'm going to eat her like a cupcake! LOL.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Sounds like we have the same taste. Tried to PM but full.

[QUOTE=Svt4628;5678534]Sounds like we have the same taste. Tried to PM but full.[/QUOTE]My bad, I cleared some now, thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5675991]Look at Oro Hotel (I think that's the name). I think the one In Durham will do hourly.[/QUOTE]I think you may mean OYO Hotel.

322X Kuber Blvd, Durham, NC, 2770X.

Has anybody had an experience with her? Is she DTF or just dating? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=LostInNc97;5680072]Has anybody had an experience with her? Is she DTF or just dating? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I saw her about a year ago. She was nice enough, and DTF but was a little nervous. Her pics are a bit flattering and she isn't built quite like I normally prefer, so haven't repeated.

[QUOTE=LostInNc97;5680072]Has anybody had an experience with her? Is she DTF or just dating? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]She was reviewed on 12-02-20. Post #2282. Reviewer said she was bigger than her pictures.

Fellow Mongers, I've been using Visa Vanilla Gift cards successfully on Seeking Arrangements on and off for the last couple of years. Until today. System stopped taking them for me. Anyone else run into this? Anyone know a fool-proof plan for paying with an untraceable / discreet card?

So what are the main scams to look out for on these sites? From what I've read on this thread:

-Just before first meet, SB texts "need gas money", then ghosts with the $20-30.

-Paying for any meet & greet (sounds like there is some debate on this, but also sounds like there are some SBs who make money only doing platonic M&G free lunches).

-SB who lives in another state, eventually paying them to "visit" or travel with you, then they ghost. Has a non-local SB ever worked out for anyone here? I get those favorites / messages from SBs in other states and countries and I do not understand how that could ever work. Unless I happened to travel there? Now that I think about it, giving money to a SB to travel across state lines without being 1,000,000% sure they are over age is lunacy.

-Any kind of deposit, obviously.

-Has anyone ever dealt with threatened blackmail?

-Anything else to be aware of?

[QUOTE=LostInNc97;5680072]Has anybody had an experience with her? Is she DTF or just dating? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Saw her about a year ago, seems like she had lost a lot of weight recently, still big, but definitely DTF.

[QUOTE=LiquidCoil;5681533]So what are the main scams to look out for on these sites? From what I've read on this thread:

-Just before first meet, SB texts "need gas money", then ghosts with the $20-30.

-Paying for any meet & greet (sounds like there is some debate on this, but also sounds like there are some SBs who make money only doing platonic M&G free lunches).

-SB who lives in another state, eventually paying them to "visit" or travel with you, then they ghost. Has a non-local SB ever worked out for anyone here? I get those favorites / messages from SBs in other states and countries and I do not understand how that could ever work. Unless I happened to travel there? Now that I think about it, giving money to a SB to travel across state lines without being 1,000,000% sure they are over age is lunacy.

-Any kind of deposit, obviously.

-Has anyone ever dealt with threatened blackmail?

-Anything else to be aware of?[/QUOTE]Had a blackmail attempt once. Great conversation. Claimed could not get texts from my app so I gave her cell to my business phone. First message is "I have your name, number, and all information. I want $300 now!

Message went on every little bit for about three hour, then she referenced a name in the text. Damn if it wasn't the name of the previous owner of the number. I finally responded and said call my house if you want! I don't give a crud! Hope that poor boy did not get into too much trouble. I can almost hear trying to explain, "Honest Honeybuns, it wasn't me. I didn't do anything. I have no idea who that crazy woman is!

Lesson learned. Never give up personal information or traceable numbers.

Hello all. Longtime SA guy here, TONS of great experiences and a few bad ones over a lotta years. Someone reported me for soliciting or some shit (they were just pissed off I said no to some outrageous rate) right before COVID. Got back with an old fiance that didn't work out in the summer of last year and thought I was headed to getting married again. Things really went south the last few months. I got a cancer diagnosis, am doing ok, but she didn't want to deal and took off.

I need back on SA. Or some access to it. Help!

1. I'll pay someone to help me setup a profile using their card, or whatever.

2. I'll pay someone to help you get around whatever SA has that seems to know it is me. I've tried VPN, everything.

3. I'll pay someone for referrals. I only go hot. 7 or 8, slim, etc. Love group stuff, and travel. Willing to pay for quality (just not for NO quality like who ever reported me).

Let me know and thanks.

[QUOTE=Pbone888;5685599]... get around whatever SA has that seems to know it is me...[/QUOTE]Did you set up the VPN correctly *before* signing up on SA? Also you cannot use email addresses you've used before on SA. Hotmail / Outlook is better for free web mail as they allow creation of aliases which function as independent email addresses for the same mailbox. Use a good VPN such as Private VPN and turn it on before launching the browser. Also clear browser cache, cookies etc before launching browser preferably in private / incognito mode.

For payment use a gift card or.

[QUOTE=Bachelor1234;5680327]She was reviewed on 12-02-20. Post #2282. Reviewer said she was bigger than her pictures.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?20290-The-Raleigh-area-quot-Sugar-Bowl-quot-[/URL](SA-WYP-SD4-ME)&p=5094778&viewfull=1#post5094778.

[QUOTE=Pbone888;5685599]Hello all. Longtime SA guy here, TONS of great experiences and a few bad ones over a lotta years. Someone reported me for soliciting or some shit (they were just pissed off I said no to some outrageous rate) right before COVID. Got back with an old fiance that didn't work out in the summer of last year and thought I was headed to getting married again. Things really went south the last few months. I got a cancer diagnosis, am doing ok, but she didn't want to deal and took off.

I need back on SA. Or some access to it. Help!

1. I'll pay someone to help me setup a profile using their card, or whatever.

2. I'll pay someone to help you get around whatever SA has that seems to know it is me. I've tried VPN, everything.

3. I'll pay someone for referrals. I only go hot. 7 or 8, slim, etc. Love group stuff, and travel. Willing to pay for quality (just not for NO quality like who ever reported me).

Let me know and thanks.[/QUOTE]You are probably being tracked by your IMEI, or your hardware Ethernet Address. Changing the device, email address will probably get you back on SA. I also have multiple logins on SA. So when one is banned, am able to use the other.

[QUOTE=Bachelor1234;5680550]Fellow Mongers, I've been using Visa Vanilla Gift cards successfully on Seeking Arrangements on and off for the last couple of years. Until today. System stopped taking them for me. Anyone else run into this? Anyone know a fool-proof plan for paying with an untraceable / discreet card?[/QUOTE]I just renewed with one, and it worked fine. You need to go into the "activation" (or setup) for the card ex: [URL]www.CardCo.com/activate[/URL] and take a few minutes to fill out the details Use a real (but not yours) address from the city you are in, complete it all accurately. Then use this exact address as the billing address on SA. I've seen others that had luck with only the zip code matching, but that never worked for me. I got errors until I had a full address match in my city.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5691446]You are probably being tracked by your IMEI, or your hardware Ethernet Address. Changing the device, email address will probably get you back on SA. I also have multiple logins on SA. So when one is banned, am able to use the other.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. I have a Christmas project.

Any information on this lady. She'd been around long enough that I hope some on have have played with her.

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