Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[QUOTE=Devlin;5595849] and ruling the arcades.[/QUOTE]Or an Asteroids man. ?

Or galactica or galaga, can't remember what its called, LOL.

[QUOTE=IndigoWalk;5598880]Or an Asteroids man. ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601571]So much cope in this thread. We have an interesting mix of guys who get it and guys who are absolutely clueless.

Everything involving women is fundamentally transactional, even if it's intangible and non-monetary. If they're into you for your status or your amazing fizeek, that is still transactional. That being said, hot young Seeking coeds have a plethora of attractive men and offers to choose from, and only so much time in the day. If she's regularly seeing you for $5 ppm she probably turned down and ignored dozens of higher offers for $6, $7, and up. Why? Because she likes you more than those other dudes. And that's true at every price range.

Sure it's possible she's only seeing you for the money and isn't into you one bit, but if you can't tell the difference then you're in that absolutely clueless category, and you need to learn how to attract women.

And yes there absolutely is an alpha / beta quality which girls can smell a mile away, which can*easily overcome many other factors. If you think this is "pure pseudoscience" because you haven't yet been presented you with some peer-reviewed study from a university's sociology department then you're also in that absolutely clueless category and need to start learning from experience instead of experts.[/QUOTE]True, but you want to be the guy who is attracting her with physique or social status as opposed to a ppm.

[QUOTE=DynoJr;5601592]So I've been having lengthy messages back and forth with a somewhat fake looking profile of an Asian woman and she started getting frustrated that I couldn't get my WhatsApp to work. Truthfully it does work but only for my real, not burner number.

I've just had another one tonight with a different Asian woman that really really wanted to communicate on WhatsApp.

Guys, what is their end game here? Once is suspicious, twice makes me think this is a common scam.[/QUOTE]Speaking from experience, 98% of the time when a chick tells me to hit her up on an app (whatsapp, kik, snap, etc) it rarely turns into anything more. Rarely ill get them on snap and we'll meet up but its RARE. It does happen though. Once like 4 years ago I met a chick who gave me her kik. You're largely wasting your time.

[QUOTE=JustinFields;5601585]True, but you want to be the guy who is attracting her with physique or social status as opposed to a ppm.[/QUOTE]Yes, but if you're regularly seeing sexy young things for $3-5 overnight with a good vibe then those other factors are almost certainly working for you on some level. If on the other hand they can't wait to leave or ooze boredom, irritation, anxiety, or disdain, then it's almost certainly just about the money. And if you can't tell the difference then I don't even know where to begin.

[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601653]Yes, but if you're regularly seeing sexy young things for $3-5 overnight with a good vibe then those other factors are almost certainly working for you on some level. If on the other hand they can't wait to leave or ooze boredom, irritation, anxiety, or disdain, then it's almost certainly just about the money. And if you can't tell the difference then I don't even know where to begin.[/QUOTE]I have one better for you! The girl that is clicking with you and give you the great sex and seems excited to hang out with you tell her if you would like to meet for a non ppm date and see if those other factors are working for you.

That is the ultimate telltale sign if it is certainly about the money.

I would also like to add that I am not looking to offend anyone or don't feel bad that the girls I am banging for ppm see it as transactional. I am going to get my nut off and that is what matters.

But in order for me to say the girl vibes with me and is in to me I would never say that unless she agrees to see me and fuck me with no ppm. I always assume it is transactional otherwise.

[QUOTE=JustinFields;5601678]I have one better for you! The girl that is clicking with you and give you the great sex and seems excited to hang out with you tell her if you would like to meet for a non ppm date and see if those other factors are working for you.

That is the ultimate telltale sign if it is certainly about the money.[/QUOTE]This is a bad experiment since you're changing the terms of an arrangement, which means you're not a man of your word. She will wonder if you're really the guy you presented yourself as, or if you are some kind of con-artist or phony, so there are other factors in her psyche that could very well taint the outcome of the test.

And if she does agree, it's very likely she's seeking a long-term monogamous relationship and won't appreciate you banging every other girl on Seeking. Maybe she thinks this is a better path to marrying you. So there's a different kind of transactionality that could very well be at play still.

[QUOTE=JustinFields;5601683]I would also like to add that I am not looking to offend anyone or don't feel bad that the girls I am banging for ppm see it as transactional. I am going to get my nut off and that is what matters.

But in order for me to say the girl vibes with me and is in to me I would never say that unless she agrees to see me and fuck me with no ppm. I always assume it is transactional otherwise.[/QUOTE]I'm not offended at all I just think this is a myopic and overly reductive view. Most hot girls still expect to be taken out, spoiled, etc. Yeah they may fuck a guy without it from time to time but it will eventually get old and they'll start expecting things. That's why those fuckbuddy situations rarely last.

[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5598899]"that paying for girls when younger prevents development of the hunting instinct (game)" Bro, for wanting to drop some truth, that is some pseudoscientific nonsense. I could just as easily say that young dudes gain experience they otherwise would not have when they do this. Also, again, you keep saying that if they save their $$ then it all adds up. They ain't making enough $$$ for that. So they should spend it on whatever makes them happy now. If you're going to connect Seeking Arrangement to wokeness then there is nothing, absolutely nothing, you will not blame on wokeness, which means that it's meaningless and just a thing that old guys say when they no longer understand the world. Also, I am not one of those woke people, but you know, those woke people are all for legalizing sex work. Ever go on twitter? It aint the Far Right taliban types you probably watch that are supporting that. For someone so concerned about instinct, I think being alienated by the world so much that everything seems woke to you is a bad spot to be in.

Bottom line, I am youngish. And I do get laid without paying a dime. AND I use SA, and I get laid more. I am not going to judge or complain or cry about any of it. The economic outlook for this country is bad. We are still in a pandemic. People getting laid and having a decent time, young or old, is a good thing.[/QUOTE]I just thought it was a humorous poke at the meme economists always talk about, that younger people are comfortable spending $7 or whatever a day on a Starbucks Latte. Or Avacado toast. LOL. If theyre concerned about lattes, what would these same economists say about spending on SB's? Just struck me as funny. One thing I will say to you and the other younger guys here is with my comments, I'm not cumming from a point. Where I believe I am making better life choices than you. Just different bad choices. I'm on SA too, after all. For me, it's a bad life choice, but for different reasons.

If younger people want to blow all their money on SBs, bottle service, $7 lattes, avocado toast, or whatever they want, fine! I do understand it's all about indulgence and peer pressure these days, diametrically opposed to the way it was largely when I was young, then it was all about saving and self sacrifice, but that was way back slightly after the wheel was invented. And BTW what's Twitter? LOL.

And I didn't connect wokeness with SA. I connected wokeness to younger peoples' politics. I believe that's generally the consensus out there, look at the polls. But that discussion belongs elsewhere. Funny thing is I chatted awhile with one girl, a young black girl, hot, nice bod, nice pics, with a huge afro, from the city. One of her pics showed a velvet portrait of MLK on the wall, in the background, so we talked about, yes the woke stuff. She said SA was a bastion of conservative males, and she said she weeded them out pretty quickly. She was a woke warrior-ette. LOL. I thought about asking her about the irony that she, a woke-warriorette, serving men for $$, on SA. But I wanted to get laid so kept my mouth shut. She was one of the most interesting and intelligent girls I ever chatted with on SA, actually. We set up a date, then the day of th date, texted me her cat died. She told me to text her in 2 weeks, as she needed time to mourn. I never followed up.

[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601709]This is a bad experiment since you're changing the terms of an arrangement, which means you're not a man of your word. She will wonder if you're really the guy you presented yourself as, or if you are some kind of con-artist or phony, so there are other factors in her psyche that could very well taint the outcome of the test.

And if she does agree, it's very likely she's seeking a long-term monogamous relationship and won't appreciate you banging every other girl on Seeking. Maybe she thinks this is a better path to marrying you. So there's a different kind of transactionality that could very well be at play still.[/QUOTE]There are certain men that woman break rules for! A nice honest guy giving ppm doesn't get a girls pussy wet. Girls like the bad boy! If you dick a girl down good and she is really into you a fuck buddy situation can last at least a few months and if there are married years!

That being said yes girls want a little more than just sex. They are going to want commitment.

[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601712]I'm not offended at all I just think this is a myopic and overly reductive view. Most hot girls still expect to be taken out, spoiled, etc. Yeah they may fuck a guy without it from time to time but it will eventually get old and they'll start expecting things. That's why those fuckbuddy situations rarely last.[/QUOTE]Jesus Christ. Some of you are really jaded. Most girls, believe it or not, still want the fucking fairytale. The RomCom boyfriend who will impress their family and sweep them off their feet. They want to fall in love and get married and have children. Even the ones who fuck PPM on SA or even in the parlors still hold that hope in the back of their minds. There are plenty of hot girls who don't expect allowances and endless gifts. They chase their emotions more than they chase the money.

[QUOTE=LolBoat;5601015]Is it really a dark take though? They are my realistic observations. There is data to prove what I'm saying. I think I read somewhere that most men only have 3-4 sexual partners before they get married.

In 2018,27% of all 18 year old men were virgins. They started keeping track of this data in the early 90's and it always fluctuated a bit, but it was about 10% on average every year. In 2012 the # started climbing (due to tinder, imo.) and now its prob even higher than 30% due to the lockdowns.

Its tough out there![/QUOTE]I just wanted to point out that that chart is a lie. It's been circulating in incel circles for a while and they always cite a Washington Post article, but the Post article in question shows no such chart:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/[/URL]

It is showing that year over year numbers of sexually active adults are declining (both men and women) but nothing nearly as dire as what that graphic shows.

While I'm on the topic of fake data, I'd also like to know the source of someone else's claim that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of the men. That also sounds suspicious. Of course that also implies that 80% of the men are having sex with 20% of the women. So all that proves is that there are a lot of sloots of both genders.

[QUOTE=JustinFields;5601683]I would also like to add that I am not looking to offend anyone or don't feel bad that the girls I am banging for ppm see it as transactional. I am going to get my nut off and that is what matters.

But in order for me to say the girl vibes with me and is in to me I would never say that unless she agrees to see me and fuck me with no ppm. I always assume it is transactional otherwise.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601709]This is a bad experiment since you're changing the terms of an arrangement, which means you're not a man of your word. She will wonder if you're really the guy you presented yourself as, or if you are some kind of con-artist or phony, so there are other factors in her psyche that could very well taint the outcome of the test.

And if she does agree, it's very likely she's seeking a long-term monogamous relationship and won't appreciate you banging every other girl on Seeking. Maybe she thinks this is a better path to marrying you. So there's a different kind of transactionality that could very well be at play still.[/QUOTE]Very true! The girls I met on SA and I ended up fucking for "free" were women I never met on a PPM basis. That's why I've been preaching that meeting for dinner or drinks before talking about sex is actually a good thing, not a bad thing. It allows you to test the waters with them to see if you can get them to see the meet as a date. That's impossible if you're immediately negotiating stuff like CIP and anal.

I wrote "free" because I still probably spent a lot of money on the date itself, but that's part of the investment.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5601864]While I'm on the topic of fake data, I'd also like to know the source of someone else's claim that 80% of women are having sex with 20% of the men. That also sounds suspicious. Of course that also implies that 80% of the men are having sex with 20% of the women. So all that proves is that there are a lot of sloots of both genders. [/QUOTE]Not at all. The other 80% of men are having little or no sex. At least as far as sport-fucking goes. Women who sport-fuck (and many others as well) would rather share an "alpha" than fuck a "beta".